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I hope you all doing good today, I know this is not the best place for ask this type of question, after all, this is a gay forum but I want to read your opinions about trans people, their movement and what experiences you had with these people.

Go all out if you want to rant, I will happily read all your answers :)
Never been with a trans, but would love it. I just love getting naked and making love to men and women: fucking and sucking and kissing with lots of cum or pussy juice or both. A trans would be awesome.
 
this subject is tricksie. Ive read some posts and tried to listen and be open to reframing my perspective, become more 'informed' and certainly more aware, but I also need to have reliable exposure and the chance to have conversations. TBH this kind of discussion is one of the main reasons I sought out the JUB Forums in the 1st place. (eye candy has been a huge bonus).
I can't stomach newsfeeds, because there is TOO Much information, FAKE information or SLANTED and the media are (IMO) more Spin Doctors, Info-Lobbyists, and Propagandists (I feel strongly about it, yeah).

I get made uncomfortable by the folks within our community who take such offense at innocent misgendering. I have not recognized an individual's 'preferred' pronoun accidently and received such condemnation for my lack of awareness. But people are people; I remember the times before when some folks who had hairstyles that made gender identification errors more plausible would get offended when misgendered.
If I were to unintentionally screw up someone's preferred pronoun and they condemned me, I'd tell them to "take a chill pill". I speak euphemistically.
 
I'd have sex with trans women and enjoy it.
they're people, like me or anybody else.
hating them is cruel. as much as hating anybody for their race, gender, religion, sex, etc. is cruel.
yes, lgbt is grouped together, and being gay or bi isn't the same as being trans. however, they clearly ar just trying to live their lives the best they see fit and correcting their minds and outer bodies.

that though is distinct from the wider trans lobby.
all this shit of xenogenders is cringe. as is the bathroom discourse, and self-ID. society isn't ready for self-ID.
 
I'd have sex with trans women and enjoy it.
they're people, like me or anybody else.
hating them is cruel. as much as hating anybody for their race, gender, religion, sex, etc. is cruel.
yes, lgbt is grouped together, and being gay or bi isn't the same as being trans. however, they clearly ar just trying to live their lives the best they see fit and correcting their minds and outer bodies.

that though is distinct from the wider trans lobby.
all this shit of xenogenders is cringe. as is the bathroom discourse, and self-ID. society isn't ready for self-ID.
Right on, baby. Hate is hate no matter where directed.
 
While I consider myself a cis bisexual male, I technically am pansexual. I just hate splitting hairs, I consider pansexuals pickier bisexuals.

Anywho, transexual people are just like everyone else to me. Unfortunately depending on your outward appearance I may accidentally use an incorrect pronoun. If I'm uncertain I will usually default to they/them, but if the wrong one slips I hope to simply be corrected.

I try to be respectful of all people, regardless of age, race, sex, social standing and beliefs. Though people with large egos, willful ignorance, and narcissistic tendencies get on my nerves.

I'm technically married to transgender person. My partner is male to female, but still fairly early in the transition. At home and alone I use female pronouns, not out of shame or fear, but laziness to tell the truth. Having to explain trans things is a chore and I hate repeating myself. My partner is very lax about it, they don't get offended or mad at words. We both understand we aren't the norm and we usually keep to ourselves. I feel truly lucky to have such a wonderful wife.

Sex wise, I've had sex with all kinds of people. As long as we connect, with a decent amount of physical attraction of course, I can usually overlook things I'm usually not into. I've had sex with MtF, FtM, gender fluid, non binary, and hell asexual friends. We're all people with needs and urges. Labels don't change that to me.
 
But that's also part of the problem. There's a lot of empiric examples but not a lot of objective research. You are correct that puberty is inevitable for the majority of people but the body matures much sooner than the brain. YouTube and TikTok have become more of a source for information because medical research has lagged behnd and in some cases, is being suppressed by the polar ends of the activists: on one extreme the most strident of the trans community who want medical solutions but don't want to be considered a medical problem; and on the other end, the evangelicals who are determined to suppress everything LGBT-related.


And this is why we are where we are. Telling someone that they are uninformed isn't accomplishing much beyond shutting down discussion. People only get informed by learning about the experience of other people but to have those exchanges, both sides have to be willing to listen and not shut down the other person.
That's what you did. Might as well said you're dismissed. Then you speak about listening and not shut down others. You cant have exchanges with dismissals. ✌️
 
I treat everyone the same, There are people I am happy to spend time with. and a few that I'm not.
The people who expect me to know their pronoun usually get a shock. At 55 years of age I'm not tiptoeing through the time I have left, just to satisfy someone else's self importance.
 
That's what you did. Might as well said you're dismissed. Then you speak about listening and not shut down others. You cant have exchanges with dismissals. ✌️
Thank you for providing an example of the problem that I described.
 
I have a trans friend I did a collab with on a YouTube post, a Real Doll

I've only had one bad experience.
I defended a trans girl influencer on her YouTube channel and man! It was a blood bath. I was fighting all these trans haters and not one trans girl stepped in to say anything.
It's like, "This is not my fight, but here I am fighting for you against all these dogs and not one of you can be bothered to have my back?"
I was pissed.
 
I have a trans friend I did a collab with on a YouTube post, a real doll.

I've only had one bad experience.
I defended a trans girl influencer on her YouTube channel and man! It was a blood bath. I was fighting all these trans haters and not one trans girl stepped in to say anything.
It's like, "This is not my fight, but here I am fighting for you against all these dogs and not one of you can be bothered to have my back?"
I was pissed.
You don't mention the sexual orientation of the haters. Hetero? Gay? Bi? In the long run, it doesn't matter. Cowards all.

I am not a hater. I am not cut from the cloth. I stand with the underdog all the time. I would have joined the battle.

[I am bi, but have the proclivities of transsexual. Keeping a long story short. I BECOME A WOMAN EMOTIONLLY WHEN I AM WITH MY MEN. (Yes, plural. I am promiscuous.) I LONG FOR BREASTS AND A VAGINA. I BEG MY MEN TO BREED ME.]

You have all the right to be pissed.
 
You don't mention the sexual orientation of the haters. Hetero? Gay? Bi? In the long run, it doesn't matter. Cowards all.

I am not a hater. I am not cut from the cloth. I stand with the underdog all the time. I would have joined the battle.

[I am bi, but have the proclivities of transsexual. Keeping a long story short. I BECOME A WOMAN EMOTIONLLY WHEN I AM WITH MY MEN. (Yes, plural. I am promiscuous.) I LONG FOR BREASTS AND A VAGINA. I BEG MY MEN TO BREED ME.]

You have all the right to be pissed.
All straight men. This was years ago before the the tide started to turn against trans and queer inclusion in the LGBTQ moniker.
 
I don't really have a horse in this race or care in general but as someone on the very fringe of the alphabet soup crowd here's what I've seen and the impressions I've gotten from people.

I don't think some people recognize key differences between LGB, and T, and its the points that really piss off the general population. Facts and accommodation.
In short, when stonewall happened what was predominantly gays and lesbians (and drag queens rather different from today's trans), only really wanted acceptance and decriminalization. They really asked for nothing more. What they were asking people to accept was that they were attracted to their own sex and wanted to be left alone.
No matter how much you might hate a gay or lesbian, you can't tell them they are factually wrong when they say they are attracted to their own sex. It's a fact.

The problem with the trans movement is you have to do some Trump level fact bending to accept their "truth". You could take a trans man or woman that hasn't started to change their body, knock them out and strip them naked, and to any observer or medical professional they have just become indisputably the gender of their birth. Even after changing their body the difference will always be obvious once the clothes come off and definitely with medical testing. You can't change your sex with today's technology, its flat out impossible to rebuilt your body from the DNA up so your chromosomes are now flipped to the opposite gender.
For trans people to tell everyone else to accept the opposite of what is right in front of them makes them look like crazy people right from the start and totally trashes the credibility of anything they might say after.

The next major problem like I already said is accommodation. They want to be allowed to do anything that their chosen gender could, be it a location or activity. Or have additional gender neutral facilities built.
Honestly as a bi person, I can tell you if trans people got everything they wanted, I would 100% be cross dressing just to go into the women's locker rooms. People aren't stupid. They know that however noble and honest the intentions of a few might be, there are others that will exploit the situation and misuse it. Expect trans people being allowed into womens sports to be heavily exploited too despite some comical fails of trans women against regular ones in competitions.
I know pronouns shouldn't be such a big deal, but I promise you trans people will never win that battle. Normies have just as much a right to ignore your chosen pronoun as you do to use it. Also don't misgender the normies to try and prove a point, it doesn't bother them and they think its hilarious. It's like a black person calling a white person whitey or honkey to try and counter the N word, they just don't care because its not a sensitive issue to them and watching you get all ruffled is really funny.
When you add wanting to mess with children in non reversible ways, that's the kiss of death. Thats what got the pedos (or maps if you prefer) kicked out of the LGBT crowd in the 70's (people like to try and forget that bit of history) when they became socially unpalatable and the rest of the group wanted wider acceptance.

The LGB crowd isn't actively abandoning the T's but as the backlash grows many of them are discreetly creeping towards the exits.
It took decades after stonewall before you could be openly gay and have it be generally accepted anywhere, and even trendy in many places. Most aren't going to risk that to help lift up the trans cause if it comes down to picking a side.
 
They're just loud, the rest of the community doesn't expect them to get anywhere. I certainly don't. It's considered verboten to question someone's hrt/surgery/lack of surgery, etc. in-community unless they ask (and plenty of people do ask, fwtw). The activists who tend to go the 'specific solutions' route have a stick up their collective ass and are generally sneered at. Personally I'm more worried about the lack of bodily autonomy for both minors and adults. Since one must go thru puberty ya might as well pick the one you want.
I agreed with everything except the last sentence. You cannot have "the puberty you want." You either go through a natural puberty or you don't. Puberty blockers block puberty. It is NOT a pause button, as activists like to claim. Rather than delay, it skips parts of puberty. It has led to many teens suffering life-long consequences such as lesser height, bone density, and cognitive abilities; underdeveloped genitals and many other things.
 
What's your source? Puberty blockers (GnRH) ARE a pause button for puberty. It simply stops the sex hormone from kicking in until an adolescent decides if gender reassignment surgery is right for them (they go through a battery of both mental and physical testing before they are given the blockers). If they decide not to transition? They stop the blockers and their birth sex puberty kicks in, including bone density for males. If they decide on gender reassignment? They then are taken off the blockers and are put on hormones for a smooth transition to their desired sex that should be no skin off anyone's back. And there is no legitimate study that says it effects cognitive thinking, as a matter of fact, adolescents who take blockers have less suicidal thoughts and depression, this according to peer reviewed studies in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

What you gave is the typical anti-trans propaganda from Christian groups who are obsessed with the LGBTQ that borders on psychosis.
 
I disagree; when someone tells me I'm uninformed I go and do research. Considering he has no issues with stating uninformed opinions I doubt he cares overly much about any actual information I could give, like sex being a bimodality instead of the fifth-grade science he's working with of 'only two sexes!'.

Besides, his first sentence screamed ignorant ass; he apparently doesn't intend to even use the correct pronouns because Uppity Trans People Correct Him. That's not a mindset that indicates willingness to, well, learn a damn thing,

-edited to add that one may have a point about replying with info to the (I strongly suspect) willfully uninformed so that others in the wings may benefit but on this site I think most are likely already entrenched in their views.
Hahaha, I answered the question too soon. You are the do your own research type.

And by the way, if you're the one putting someone on blast because their opinion is uninformed, then it is YOUR responsibility to show them why. They don't have to do your homework for you. Their own 'research' could be many things, you haven't even named. You have not named one author, a content creator speaking to the subject., an article, a book. And you expect someone whom you've called uninformed to somehow come up with this information out of thin air.

There are many trans content creators from Contrapoints to Blair White, which one should be go with? There are many queer writers Susan Stryker and Patrick Califia. There is just as much anti-Queer rhetoric also coming from Trans pioneers such as Buck Angel. You didn't even mention ONE name in the discourse and yet here YOU are calling THEM uninformed.

This is the problem, because all it amounts to are talking points and claims. People say: 'Trans women are women' and leave it at that without going any further. This is statement in regards to anatomy, biology, social construct? What is a social construct? No one has been educated. Questions have not been answered. And all you're really doing is pushing the 'uninformed' person to seek out their own validating stance, that's research. That validating stance can come from other trans people who do not agree of Queer ideology. Because there is a difference, trans people are not a monolith and not all of them abide by PC, Queer pseudo-science.

Do your own research is the universal, I want to be mad, but I don't know quite how to be mad right now, so I'll say 'Do you own research' and come across clever. It's the anti-vaxer response to a topic that they have no understanding whatsoever about, but can't articulate it. It's the bro-science of why you're not exercising right and why you should be taking tren. And it's the go to for the Queer Ideologist who wants to be right, but can't even name ONE single name in the discourse.
 
Ok.... how? Are you gonna fill that in further, or you're gonna be an anti-vaxxer and say: dO yOuR OwN rEsEaRch?
The person you're responding to hasn't been on the forum in nearly 6 months but the answer to your question can be found on the "about" page of his profile.
 
I don't really have a horse in this race or care in general but as someone on the very fringe of the alphabet soup crowd here's what I've seen and the impressions I've gotten from people.
I gave this a thumbs up because I agreed with, I'd say 65% of this. I don't agree with your bathroom / changeroom stance, and I do think the science is a bit more complicated than merely stripping a person naked. The only reason I veer cautiously here is because already there is a lack of universality in the singular sex of a person. i.e: not all dicks are the same size. So if there is variation in the signifier of sex as an indicative determinant of what is 'male' and what is 'female' it gets into sticky waters. Kinda like saying bodily modifications are not authentic to sex. When we have all kinds of body modifications to accentuate, enhance, and reaffirm gender presentation, or plain old aesthetic presentation. Breast implants, penile augmentations, steroids to grow your musculature, diets and cardio exercises to create a more 'thin' 'feminized' look. Squats in order to grow a more voluptuous glutes, which until recently was only valued in women, but now it's expanded to include men.

Having said that, I do agree with this: The problem with the trans movement is you have to do some Trump level fact bending to accept their "truth". Because the truth is, biology and anatomy are real. Transmen do not have testicles, and already we see that the phalloplasty is a very difficult procedure which doesn't have 100% guaranteed results. There are so many complications that come with it, and it might not be successful. They also won't be creating semen. Trans women do not have periods. Cannot get pregnant. Now, there will be those that will come in and say: Not all women can get pregnant, are they less of women? No. Bareness is a reality for many. So are miscarriages. Some periods are delayed. Nonethless there is a intricate relationship to biology here. And barrenness causes psychological stress to women. This is where social construct comes in, and if we're going by social construct and not biology, then yeah: transwomen are women. Which bring it back to the transmen. If we are going by the social construct, then yeah transmen are men. They are men who may or may not have a penis that's been constructed. But if you're on the metro and exposure to gentials is not integral in the setting, then you're with men. Now, because I don't sleep with women, and I have no want or use for children as I find them insufferable and revolting, I really don't care about the biology of a woman. I care about women in so far as I believe in ending the wage gap, ending rape culture and violence against women, allowing them to fully stablish themselves as equal to men and to end their oppression. This naturally extends to transwomen because those same issues affect them. Violence against transwomen is rooted in misogyny and transphobia.

I get annoyed when I am told that as a gay man are told that if I don't find transmen sexually arousing then that makes me transphobic. This drives as equally nuts as do the gay men that salivate over straight men and are convinced they can turn them. This is the queer version of peak incel thought. That somehow someone is entitled to my sexually? And it reeks of sexual conversion. Anything that forces that person to conform their sexually is conversion therapy. Straight men do it when they coerce women into sex, when gay men play these silly little game of turning straight men, and now when trans activists start crying transphobia because a gay man doesn't want to sleep with them. This is not denying housing, employment, human rights, or those things to live a satisfied and peaceful life. There are people out there who find the transmale body attractive, hot, arousing, what have you. I'm not one of them, vaginas don't do it for me. A lot of my attraction to cismen entails their genitals. And maybe to transmen genitals don't matter, but to me and many gay men, they do. Starting with the fact that we're obsessed with big dicks.

Another thing that I don't agree with in your write up, is that the T is different than the LGB. Yes and no. Being Queer -and here I am using the umbrella identifier term, not the ideological political leaning- has always been about existing outside gender norms. The first ways societies understood homosexuality and sex that didn't fall within the heterosexual norm was a third gender of sorts. In Ancient Greece, Rome, the Muslim world, etc. where as Queer Theorists love to claim sex was defined by the role as opposed to the act, nonethless men who were penetrated were not seen as 'men'. But they weren't women either. And this tradition of the passive being akin to the feminine is still with us today. In these forums, here on JUB you will read post, after post after post from Bottoms who describe their role in sex as a feminized one. I may not agree with that. I as a bottom may not agree that that's how I see myself. But it doesn't matter, because for the most part 'Bottoms' are 'feminized' men. So already we see the existance of a sex / gender that doesn't 'fit' the binary of 'male' / 'female'. But beyond the homosexual sex roles of Bottoms / Tops, already GAY MEN talk about straight men as being 'True Men'. Again, you don't have to go far. Here on JUB itself post, after post, after post, after post going back to the very beginnings of this forum about how much more authentically real men straight men are. Working Class men. I think I read a post here which I thought was beyond ridiculous which said that all gay men are Ru Paul, lamenting that where are all the real men amongst the gays?

So LGB does exist in a complicated zone and relationship to sex and gender. And yes, in a social constructed, but nonetheless... this is why trans-politic matters to the LGB, because we don't exist in the norm. You could have the burliest, whitest, lumberjack, electrician, plumer, solidier -name your most manly job here- but if this archetype of manhood gets his ass tickled by another man, all that Manly Musky Construct comes tumbling down, and not just by a homophobic society either, but by the very gays themselves. Think about all these puritanical Bottoms, or even these weird homos that pine away for a pure top, and said top gets fucked in the ass once and suddenly these deluded homos drop him in value. That's gender. That's all social construct. And yet, to many that is the law of the land. Think about how STUPID 'straight' men are when they claim to be straight because they're not the ones penetrating. That's gender affirmation in full force and effect. The same The problem with the trans movement is you have to do some Trump level fact bending to accept their "truth" is what we also do with 'straight' men who have sex with men. We are in a post-modernist world afterall.

So much more to say on this topic. So much more to engage with your post, because as I said, I agree with 65% of it. On the children level, again, I agree with you wholeheartedly and we also see a discrepancy of Queer ideology there. On the one hands Queers LOVE to spout off about 'Fluidity' and yet on the topic of transness, they affirm an absolute to a child. Or a teenager. These are the people that will say: Sucking dick doesn't make you gay, it's fluid' and then turn to a human that has not finished developing and is figuring themselves out and says: you're trans. That's it, that's all, you're trans.

Anyway, I enjoyed reading your post. If you're made it all the way down here, thanks for reading. I should get on with my life, instead of pontificating on that of others. I'm gonna have some coffee and head into the gym for some gender affirming exercises. Can't grow my dick, I may as well grow my arms.
 
It wasn't difficult when it was binary and the choices were "he" or "she". However they were presenting is how you addressed them.

I got lost when it became "zhe" and "they" and gender became ambiguous.

For those of us who didn't grow up speaking English, referring to one person as "they" or reading a news article where a unitary individual is referred to as "they" is both confusing and maddening.

It's also a little presumptuous for one group of people to dictate how language is spoken and written, contrary to the grammatical rules.
Oh the pronoun thing, I think the reason this is annoying is because you don't know if people are doing this in good faith, or to just be a little victim.

Some years ago there was this attempt to make 'LatinX' a thing. Failed catastrophically because Latin Americans in the diaspora and in Latin America itself saw it as a joke. Funny enough, it came out of the halls of American academia and I would guess that the people who coined this, tho they were Latin American in background didn't actually speak Spanish. Because anyone who speaks Spanish will know that there is no logical way you can replace gender in the language because EVERYTHING is gendered. Maybe one or two things like 'Water' and 'Television' might take on both genders, but not gender neutrality. And in terms of the television it depends what word you're using. i.e. 'El televisor' 'La Tele' 'El Tele' 'La Television'. Then they tried to use the letter 'E' as supposedly gender neutral and again, no it isn't. 'E' is still indicative of the masculine in Spanish, and perhaps in can be used a gender neutral when speaking general, but once you need to add the descriptive then you're right back to gendering. For example 'Estudiante'. Ok, gender neutral. BUT... let's say 'this student' now you're going to apply gender. Because 'this' becomes 'Este / Esta' and you see 'E' has now become indicative of the male, because if you say 'Este Estudiante' you've affirmed that they are a man. Whereas if you said 'Esta Estudiante' you've affirmed they are female.

But in a context all 'A' 'E' 'O' can be gender neutral, but ultimate will fall back on gender. You can use 'A' as a general for the population and be it feminine gender neutral. The same is true of 'E' and 'O' as the masculine. 'La gente' the people. 'La persona' the person. 'Esta persona' 'This person; and even though you've used the feminine, you can be using La Personal to speak of a man. 'Los Latinos' the Latinos. La gente Latina...

X didn't work because if you wanted to say: LatinX in order to dismantle gender then you'd have to by extention do that to the rest of the language. And what you end up doing is recreating a new language. It's not Spanish tho. And how would you apply that to 600 million people worldwide and their documents?

And to me, this was all: Aren't there more pressing issues facing Latin American communities that THIS is the hill you're going to die on?
 
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