Your opinion about Trans?

[magicdick]

Hi there.
I hope you all doing good today, I know this is not the best place for ask this type of question, after all, this is a gay forum but I want to read your opinions about trans people, their movement and what experiences you had with these people.

Go all out if you want to rant, I will happily read all your answers

Never been with a trans, but would love it. I just love getting naked and making love to men and women: fucking and sucking and kissing with lots of cum or pussy juice or both. A trans would be awesome.

 

[magicdick]

this subject is tricksie. Ive read some posts and tried to listen and be open to reframing my perspective, become more 'informed' and certainly more aware, but I also need to have reliable exposure and the chance to have conversations. TBH this kind of discussion is one of the main reasons I sought out the JUB Forums in the 1st place. (eye candy has been a huge bonus).
I can't stomach newsfeeds, because there is TOO Much information, FAKE information or SLANTED and the media are (IMO) more Spin Doctors, Info-Lobbyists, and Propagandists (I feel strongly about it, yeah).

I get made uncomfortable by the folks within our community who take such offense at innocent misgendering. I have not recognized an individual's 'preferred' pronoun accidently and received such condemnation for my lack of awareness. But people are people; I remember the times before when some folks who had hairstyles that made gender identification errors more plausible would get offended when misgendered.

If I were to unintentionally screw up someone's preferred pronoun and they condemned me, I'd tell them to "take a chill pill". I speak euphemistically.

 

[aethelreddansforth]

I'd have sex with trans women and enjoy it.
they're people, like me or anybody else.
hating them is cruel. as much as hating anybody for their race, gender, religion, sex, etc. is cruel.
yes, lgbt is grouped together, and being gay or bi isn't the same as being trans. however, they clearly ar just trying to live their lives the best they see fit and correcting their minds and outer bodies.

that though is distinct from the wider trans lobby.
all this shit of xenogenders is cringe. as is the bathroom discourse, and self-ID. society isn't ready for self-ID.

 

[magicdick]

I'd have sex with trans women and enjoy it.
they're people, like me or anybody else.
hating them is cruel. as much as hating anybody for their race, gender, religion, sex, etc. is cruel.
yes, lgbt is grouped together, and being gay or bi isn't the same as being trans. however, they clearly ar just trying to live their lives the best they see fit and correcting their minds and outer bodies.

that though is distinct from the wider trans lobby.
all this shit of xenogenders is cringe. as is the bathroom discourse, and self-ID. society isn't ready for self-ID.

Right on, baby. Hate is hate no matter where directed.

 

[Enigmaticat]

While I consider myself a cis bisexual male, I technically am pansexual. I just hate splitting hairs, I consider pansexuals pickier bisexuals.

Anywho, transexual people are just like everyone else to me. Unfortunately depending on your outward appearance I may accidentally use an incorrect pronoun. If I'm uncertain I will usually default to they/them, but if the wrong one slips I hope to simply be corrected.

I try to be respectful of all people, regardless of age, race, sex, social standing and beliefs. Though people with large egos, willful ignorance, and narcissistic tendencies get on my nerves.

I'm technically married to transgender person. My partner is male to female, but still fairly early in the transition. At home and alone I use female pronouns, not out of shame or fear, but laziness to tell the truth. Having to explain trans things is a chore and I hate repeating myself. My partner is very lax about it, they don't get offended or mad at words. We both understand we aren't the norm and we usually keep to ourselves. I feel truly lucky to have such a wonderful wife.

Sex wise, I've had sex with all kinds of people. As long as we connect, with a decent amount of physical attraction of course, I can usually overlook things I'm usually not into. I've had sex with MtF, FtM, gender fluid, non binary, and hell asexual friends. We're all people with needs and urges. Labels don't change that to me.

 

[Chris803]

Your opinion is uninformed.

Well you didnt say anything as to why? Care to share. If people don't like your option your lost.

 

[Chris803]

But that's also part of the problem. There's a lot of empiric examples but not a lot of objective research. You are correct that puberty is inevitable for the majority of people but the body matures much sooner than the brain. YouTube and TikTok have become more of a source for information because medical research has lagged behnd and in some cases, is being suppressed by the polar ends of the activists: on one extreme the most strident of the trans community who want medical solutions but don't want to be considered a medical problem; and on the other end, the evangelicals who are determined to suppress everything LGBT-related.


And this is why we are where we are. Telling someone that they are uninformed isn't accomplishing much beyond shutting down discussion. People only get informed by learning about the experience of other people but to have those exchanges, both sides have to be willing to listen and not shut down the other person.

That's what you did. Might as well said you're dismissed. Then you speak about listening and not shut down others. You cant have exchanges with dismissals.

 

[curiousbob]

I treat everyone the same, There are people I am happy to spend time with. and a few that I'm not.
The people who expect me to know their pronoun usually get a shock. At 55 years of age I'm not tiptoeing through the time I have left, just to satisfy someone else's self importance.

 

[KaraBulut]

That's what you did. Might as well said you're dismissed. Then you speak about listening and not shut down others. You cant have exchanges with dismissals.

Thank you for providing an example of the problem that I described.

 

[Franco Verum]

I have a trans friend I did a collab with on a YouTube post, a Real Doll

I've only had one bad experience.
I defended a trans girl influencer on her YouTube channel and man! It was a blood bath. I was fighting all these trans haters and not one trans girl stepped in to say anything.
It's like, "This is not my fight, but here I am fighting for you against all these dogs and not one of you can be bothered to have my back?"
I was pissed.

 

[magicdick]

I have a trans friend I did a collab with on a YouTube post, a Real Doll

I've only had one bad experience.
I defended a trans girl influencer on her YouTube channel and man! It was a blood bath. I was fighting all these trans haters and not one trans girl stepped in to say anything.
It's like, "This is not my fight, but here I am fighting for you against all these dogs and not one of you can be bothered to have my back?"
I was pissed.

You don't mention the sexual orientation of the haters. Hetero? Gay? Bi? In the long run, it doesn't matter. Cowards all.

I am not a hater. I am not cut from the cloth. I stand with the underdog all the time. I would have joined the battle.

[I am bi, but have the proclivities of transsexual. Keeping a long story short. I BECOME A WOMAN EMOTIONLLY WHEN I AM WITH MY MEN. (Yes, plural. I am promiscuous.) I LONG FOR BREASTS AND A VAGINA. I BEG MY MEN TO BREED ME.]

You have all the right to be pissed.

 

[Franco Verum]

You don't mention the sexual orientation of the haters. Hetero? Gay? Bi? In the long run, it doesn't matter. Cowards all.

I am not a hater. I am not cut from the cloth. I stand with the underdog all the time. I would have joined the battle.

[I am bi, but have the proclivities of transsexual. Keeping a long story short. I BECOME A WOMAN EMOTIONLLY WHEN I AM WITH MY MEN. (Yes, plural. I am promiscuous.) I LONG FOR BREASTS AND A VAGINA. I BEG MY MEN TO BREED ME.]

You have all the right to be pissed.

All straight men. This was years ago before the the tide started to turn against trans and queer inclusion in the LGBTQ moniker.

 

[VDPanGuy]

I don't really have a horse in this race or care in general but as someone on the very fringe of the alphabet soup crowd here's what I've seen and the impressions I've gotten from people.

I don't think some people recognize key differences between LGB, and T, and its the points that really piss off the general population. Facts and accommodation.
In short, when stonewall happened what was predominantly gays and lesbians (and drag queens rather different from today's trans), only really wanted acceptance and decriminalization. They really asked for nothing more. What they were asking people to accept was that they were attracted to their own sex and wanted to be left alone.
No matter how much you might hate a gay or lesbian, you can't tell them they are factually wrong when they say they are attracted to their own sex. It's a fact.

The problem with the trans movement is you have to do some Trump level fact bending to accept their "truth". You could take a trans man or woman that hasn't started to change their body, knock them out and strip them naked, and to any observer or medical professional they have just become indisputably the gender of their birth. Even after changing their body the difference will always be obvious once the clothes come off and definitely with medical testing. You can't change your sex with today's technology, its flat out impossible to rebuilt your body from the DNA up so your chromosomes are now flipped to the opposite gender.
For trans people to tell everyone else to accept the opposite of what is right in front of them makes them look like crazy people right from the start and totally trashes the credibility of anything they might say after.

The next major problem like I already said is accommodation. They want to be allowed to do anything that their chosen gender could, be it a location or activity. Or have additional gender neutral facilities built.
Honestly as a bi person, I can tell you if trans people got everything they wanted, I would 100% be cross dressing just to go into the women's locker rooms. People aren't stupid. They know that however noble and honest the intentions of a few might be, there are others that will exploit the situation and misuse it. Expect trans people being allowed into womens sports to be heavily exploited too despite some comical fails of trans women against regular ones in competitions.
I know pronouns shouldn't be such a big deal, but I promise you trans people will never win that battle. Normies have just as much a right to ignore your chosen pronoun as you do to use it. Also don't misgender the normies to try and prove a point, it doesn't bother them and they think its hilarious. It's like a black person calling a white person whitey or honkey to try and counter the N word, they just don't care because its not a sensitive issue to them and watching you get all ruffled is really funny.
When you add wanting to mess with children in non reversible ways, that's the kiss of death. Thats what got the pedos (or maps if you prefer) kicked out of the LGBT crowd in the 70's (people like to try and forget that bit of history) when they became socially unpalatable and the rest of the group wanted wider acceptance.

The LGB crowd isn't actively abandoning the T's but as the backlash grows many of them are discreetly creeping towards the exits.
It took decades after stonewall before you could be openly gay and have it be generally accepted anywhere, and even trendy in many places. Most aren't going to risk that to help lift up the trans cause if it comes down to picking a side.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

They're just loud, the rest of the community doesn't expect them to get anywhere. I certainly don't. It's considered verboten to question someone's hrt/surgery/lack of surgery, etc. in-community unless they ask (and plenty of people do ask, fwtw). The activists who tend to go the 'specific solutions' route have a stick up their collective ass and are generally sneered at. Personally I'm more worried about the lack of bodily autonomy for both minors and adults. Since one must go thru puberty ya might as well pick the one you want.

I agreed with everything except the last sentence. You cannot have "the puberty you want." You either go through a natural puberty or you don't. Puberty blockers block puberty. It is NOT a pause button, as activists like to claim. Rather than delay, it skips parts of puberty. It has led to many teens suffering life-long consequences such as lesser height, bone density, and cognitive abilities; underdeveloped genitals and many other things.