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Your opinion on food stamps and those who use/abuse them?

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I'm not bothered some people call me a socialist and that's fine with me.

But what do they call someone who wants to deny people the basic things in life like food and shelter just because they might be abusing the system.

I'm still waiting for the stats but I know that's not going to happen. Have fun in your glass house.

Ok.....Huntneo is not referring to people who need the assistance. He is specifically saying that he would like more oversight of the system so that those who are not in need of the system are not using the system. Thereby also making more money available to those who need to use the system.
 
Ok.....Huntneo is not referring to people who need the assistance. He is specifically saying that he would like more oversight of the system so that those who are not in need of the system are not using the system. Thereby also making more money available to those who need to use the system.

But is the system broken? So far no in this thread who is complaining about it has shown proof of that other then stories they heard.

and to think that if money is saved it will be given to those who need it is just pure ignorance.
 
But is the system broken? So far no in this thread who is complaining about it has shown proof of that other then stories they heard.

and to think that if money is saved it will be given to those who need it is just pure ignorance.


I made a post in which I shared a personal observation of people abusing the system.
 
I'm with frankfrank on this one.

Yeah, I've seen abuse of the system first hand. I've seen people make deals to sell their foodstamps for cash. I've seen people trade the social security #'s of children to ensure a greater return on taxes. (Personally, that has always been one of my gripes, no one person should be able to get a refund greater than what was paid in) But when I take a step back and look at the overall picture of how business is accomplished here I can't find fault with these folks.

They are doing nothing more than what has been modeled by businesses and corporations. Take what you can, when you can and profit.

For real, if our government took the money it gave to the private banks who turned around and gave their failure CEOs bonuses for running the economy into the ground and gave that money instead to the citizens to spend as they do best as consumers there'd be no recession now. And the advantage there would be that the money still ends up in the hands of the CEOs but at least the citizens had been distracted and satiated for a bit longer and we may have even been able to create the need for a job or two as the money filtered back up...
 
I made a post in which I shared a personal observation of people abusing the system.

that doesn't count...to him.

He wants to see a tally sheet of the government admitting their fuck ups. :) lol

No it does not count.

"personal observation" really is that what they call it when you snoop on what poor people do

get your middle class asses out their and maybe volunteer at a shelter or something.

it just might spin your heads in the right direction.
 
I've also done my fair share of charity/ philanthropic efforts. I don't feel the need to go waving a banner around about it though.
 
LOL are you schooling us, Pa?

and if I'm middle class...I'd hate to see the 'poor'. I give to charity, and have participated in volunteer programs. try another angle, Pete.

I also give charity to people who should be helping ME out. Shit...

get the fuck out of here.

I'm not schooling you. You're so special and you give to charity and volunteer in programs and shock of shock you give charity to people should be helping you out.

Then you should know better then judging people.

You're fantastic

So why so bitter?
 
Huntneo are you calling for a complete ban on welfare payments because of your one personal observation, or are you just saying that the assholes piss you off and they should be kicked out of an otherwise excellent and necessary system?


I'm confused. It's hard for me to tell from what you've said so far. Please resolve the ambiguity.
 
LOL are you schooling us, Pa?

and if I'm middle class...I'd hate to see the 'poor'. I give to charity, and have participated in volunteer programs. try another angle, Pete.

I also give charity to people who should be helping ME out. Shit...

get the fuck out of here.

Which is exactly why frankfrank's post and my post should be what this thread is about. Cause there is a war going on for your mind. And the people who actually are rich and don't give half a fiddle fuck stick about foodstamps or the people who use them would rather you, me and Pete sit here arguing about who is MORE poor than turn half an eyelash towards them as they rob us blind of anything that actually fucking matters.

And that is my opinion. It's kid shit. It's his toy is shinier than mine. It's jealousy and pettiness.

You say it's because you're the one paying for it? No. You ain't paying shit cause you don't have shit.

:dead: @ fuckers rubbing nickels mad cause somebody has a shiny penny.

If it makes you feel any better, take comfort in the fact that the snow crab and steaks turned to shit just like the food you ate.
 
Huntneo(PT) i have a look at your post1 again and you got the info from Craigslist and complain ?
I thought you have witnessed it first hand LOL
 
Wow. People are so pissed they aren't even bothering to read the thread before responding.

You know this is JUB. Don't act cute... :lol:
 
that was clever. You always had a way with words. :=D:

thank you for your opinion. I understand where you and Frank are coming from, but I still feel that is something on a larger scale that is a topic for another thread. I am focusing on ONE thing and asking people's opinions on it. Not how everything is fucked for the people in between. I'm aware of that.

But that's the point. There is no in between, you either have or you have not.

What you're focusing on is a materialistic view of consumerism with a bit of keeping up with the Jones'... IF more people would quit buying in to marketing campaigns they'd realize the point of a car is to get from A to B. If more people would quit buying into marketing campaigns they'd realize that rice and beans taste every bit as good as steak.

We do dumb shit, and then wonder why we feel bad.

But here's a picture to brighten the thread up a bit.

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You're not confused. You're being a smartass, or you've simply not read what I have said countless times in this thread.

Wow. People are so pissed they aren't even bothering to read the thread before responding.

oh. burned by my own dry sense of humour. yes my ass was being smart.
 
Some people find themselves suddenly with assets but no income. If you've lost a job, you can't eat the iPad you bought back when you could afford it 2 years ago on opening day.

Bingo. And according to US News, there are tens of thousands of people in that position in this country -- and not just lost jobs, but lost homes.

Is it possible that someone in a fur coat is actually volunteering to shop for an old friend who is bedridden or something?

I've done that more than once for people I know.

Ah. Thanks for the correction, guys. Someone had told me once that WIC was our state food stamp program, and it didn't occur to me to verify that.

People here get WIC and food stamps confused partly because the things you can buy with food stamps are the ones you can get with WIC, so if you have the food stamps card you look for the WIC labels, and also because Oregon issues identical cards instead of making two different ones.

So what did the food stamp people do when you turned her in?

A gal at the state offices told me once that there's no way to prove it unless they catch the person with the sold card, and the only way to do that would be probable cause, and there's no way to get probable cause.

I actually bought someone's card once when he had to pay a medical bill. He was going to sell me a $200 card for $75, which would have barely covered his medical bill. He wouldn't take more, but I went and got him $75 worth of groceries to make it more fair.

And I learned that it's easy to use someone else's card. There are so many new people going on food stamps that the grocery store people are used to folks who don't know how it works.

And BTW, I couldn't buy steaks -- except from the discount pile, which would have to be tossed the next day so they're from 1/2 to 2/3 off.

But is the system broken? So far no in this thread who is complaining about it has shown proof of that other then stories they heard.

Rubbish. This shows me you aren't actually reading the thread, because some people are reporting what they have seen/experienced -- first-person reports, not hearsay.

Besides which, the gal in the office here admitted to me that there is a LOT of fraud, people selling their cards, people lying about income -- but it would cost more to investigate and prosecute than the amounts involved are worth. And they don't publish any figures because all they have is estimates, and even if they published their guesses, it would trigger investigations that would interfere with them helping people who need it.
I kind of feel for her in that job, because every time she takes a new applicant, she wonders if it's a real need or someone scamming.
 
No it does not count.

"personal observation" really is that what they call it when you snoop on what poor people do

get your middle class asses out their and maybe volunteer at a shelter or something.

it just might spin your heads in the right direction.

You should change your screen name to "Pathetic Pete". Your attitude sucks.

"Personal observation" means just that. It's what in court they call a "witness".

And you have no idea what people are doing to help others. I do probably twenty hours a week of volunteer work -- how about you? See, unless you're out there, too, telling others to get out there is what's called being a hypocrite.

Once again, your attitude sucks.
 
Just BTW, I know a gal who suddenly needed food stamps, but had far over $2k in the bank. So she made a list of things she'd been wanting -- smart phone, laptop, new TV, some new clothes, and a small freezer to hold some meat and things she liked but knew she wouldn't be able to buy with the card.

So she would have looked very well-to-do in the grocery line, while (technically) qualifying.

Now, is that fraud?
 
Here's a little twist to the foodstamp/welfare situation....Governor Jan Brewer (R-AZ) has made it extremely difficult for even a genuine poor man such as myself to remain on foodstamps/AHCCCS (medical)...she wants as few people and families as possible left on the system. The day and very minute that I was about to be approved for General Assistance (welfare), is the very moment she signed away welfare. I was so fucking mad and was swearing loudly.

yeah, that governor jan brewer is a bitch.
 
There are people who genuinely need assistance...and there are many who don't, but find as many loopholes as they can to make it happen. I'm not making any of this stuff up.

Another thing, is that the Department Of Job And Family Services actually demands a phone or in-person interview with you at least once a year, asking if your living or financial situation has changed at all, and if you've found or are applying for work.

Of course what I'm about to say carries the asterisk * by it that specific policies vary from state to state. But, some states put the onus upon the person applying for benefits to be entirely forthcoming with their entire income - which, you know and I know, that's laughably disturbing at best. Remember that story in the news, back at the beginning of March, where this Michigan woman won the lottery and still kept her State Of Michigan food stamp card until the local news TV stations stepped in? A quote from the news article on that thread...

Now, the lottery winner's days of living off of taxpayer dollars are over. Since the story aired on Local 4, the Michigan Department of Human Services released this statement:

"Under DHS policy, a recipient of food assistance benefits must notify the state within 10 days of any asset or income change. DHS relies on clients being forthcoming about their actual financial status.

Again, you're not just letting the mice loose in the cheese factory. You're putting the mice over the day-to-day operations of the cheese factory. They're relying on the food stamp recipients to actually be entirely honest and completely forthcoming about their income. That is lunacy! That is fubar! And Nomenclature, sir, in those face-to-face meetings, are those meetings taking place at the food stamp office? Or are those meetings taking place at the people's house, where a case worker/representative from the government is actually going out and visiting these people's houses/apartments, and seeing how these people really live and whether or not they really and truly need assistance? I'm willing to bet that it's the former, and not the latter.

The reason why there are the gaping loopholes, that Huntneo mentioned, in the law like this, is that the food stamp laws and policies are written in this sort of Pollyana-ish, Utopian narrative that everyone is entirely honest and forthcoming about their situation. I'll borrow a quote from a very wise man who once said, "I don't live in a perfect world. I live in this one." And in this world, if you don't think people are going to try and get one over, and use any loophole they can to their advantage, then what are you smoking and do you share?
 
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