14 Dead in Colorado "Dark Knight" Theater Shooting

[Telstra]

First of all, it's a real shame to hear about this. My thoughts go out to anyone/everyone effected by this.


Now, don't get me wrong - I don't usually get involved in the whole gun debate thing, but having read this whole thread, I did see a few things I agreed/disagreed with.

1) Yes, gun laws in the USA are nuts. There are countries out there where they are outright banned (the one I live in for example) and they're managing just fine. In a spur of the moment, argument driven thing, I'd rather get a punch in the face than shot! No matter how you dress it up, there will always be unnecessary/tragic gun deaths, and although this guy in Colorado DID mean to do what he did, there will be instances of "heat of the moment" where the shooter will immediately regret it. Simply put; get the fuck rid of guns. No one outside of America cares about what "Rights as an American Citizen" you have, but we DO feel the same sadness when you continue to blast holes in one another.

2) If you can't get rid of guns, then yes, metal detectors to get into public buildings will be one step (not the only) towards cutting down on this kind of tragedy. There are metal detectors at every airport in the World to avoid the same thing - death! It's not to avoid air disasters (though it does that also), it's primarily to prevent deaths. Some may think its crazy to have them on all public buildings, but from an outsiders point of view, it's seen as crazy that so many of you have guns in the first place.

3) I want to highlight what someone else in this thread said - it's not just gun owners that have rights. Those that choose not to own guns (or even those that do but use them responsibly) have rights. And they have the right to feel safe in their own country. They deserve that.

4) Lastly, I think it's incredibly narrow minded to render someone's opinion invalid or "wrong" just because they have nothing bad to say about their own country, or nothing good to say about yours. This might be hard to believe, but that might just be their opinion - they maybe just love their country that much and dislike your country (or at least it's downfalls) that much. Asking them to try say something bad about their own country or asking them to find past posts as evidence isn't going to change their opinion, so I fail to see any merit in doing so......


Anyway, back to the main topic at hand.

So the guy's apartment is booby trapped!?!? Trip wires, explosives, chemicals.

Any more news on that?

Seems he put a lot more planning into this than was first thought.

Thankyou.

If i hate America so much, i wouldn't make one comment seriously.
I would delete the name of the country completely LOL

 

[LaughOutLoud]

I don't want to get involved in a debate (especially in this thread), but to be fair, he is commenting on a law that is relevant to the entire country. One which the entire country adopts. One which effects the entire country.

If he was narrowing in on one City or State and saying their gun laws were mental, that would be uncalled for - but when discussing a US law, how else can one be expected to discuss it without discussing the country as a whole...??

 

[LaughOutLoud]

Can we drop it now and get back to the real topic at hand?

 

[gsdx]

Gun laws don't prevent such tragedies. They happen everywhere - even in Canada. The only thing which gun laws do is to make such tragedies more difficult to carry out, but, when a person such as Holmes gets it into his mind to do something like this, he would have done it no matter how strict the guns laws were.

Gun laws may lower crime rates, but they certainly don't do anything to prevent someone from 'going off the deep end'. James Holmes went off the deep end some time in the past. As I posted earlier, he planned this, and he planned it very well. It wasn't a spur-of-the-moment thing. He didn't 'go postal'. He planned it, he carried it out, and people died because of it. And he would have done it whether or not there were strict gun laws in place.

 

[G-Lexington]

Up until 20 years ago, Colorado was a pretty quiet place with a small population. The huge influx of folks fleeing economic ills elsewhere all over the world have changed the place dramatically and it is true we've struggled with that. The state's population has more than doubled in the last 20 years or so and it is a vastly different place now.

So the state was fine until those unemployed other-state-immigrants moved here? OK.

Lex

 

[swmjck]

He forced his way into the fire exit door. I'm guessing somebody might have noticed a rifle if he walked in the front door.

He was actually in the theater and left during the movie, propped the door open so he could get back in and got the guns and other stuff out of his car. I'm not interested in a gun debate as such, if people have their guns legally, so be it. However, looking at the types of guns this guy bought, leads me to question just what any citizen could need a semi-automatic shotgun for. It's crazy that someone could need a gun like this for any reason. I think some of the types of guns that are now sold, need to be taken off of the market. Just my opinion.

 

[swmjck]

Did the cops shoot him yet?

Unfortunately not. When I heard this news yesterday, I was hoping that the police had killed him, not captured him. Now we will have to listen to his life story and supposed reasons for this. I also laugh when I read the news stories and the commentators use the words "alleged shooter". Please he did it, no question.

 

[star-warrior]

I read he booby-trapped his apartment. Some serious freaky going on.

 

[hungkee]

1. Agreed that motive is yet To Be Determined. It is premature to extrapolate anything else at this point.

2. Aurora was originally a farming community located East of Denver, connected by a trolley line. It grew first during World War II because of the now defunct Lowry Air Force Base, and only recently exploded in growth as a suburb. It is a relatively 'new' place except for 'Old Town' around East Colfax. Denver International Airport is located within the city limits of the City and County of Denver and is owned by the City and County of Denver. Aurora has nothing to do with DIA.

And Chicago was named after wild onions.

Your profile of Aurora, CO is as old as saying that O'Hare Airport was once a farm.

Aurora, CO
IN 2012:
Dark Knight Rises Shooting in Aurora Puts the Colorado town on the map in a bad way - TIME

 

[hungkee]

Re: 14 Dead in Colorado "Dark Knight" Theater Shooting

I already have. I asked you to cite sources that prove your assessment on Colorado. Cause otherwise what you're saying is only coming from your dislike for Colorado and that doesn't mean anything. Outside of you being a dick to use this tragedy to get on your soap box.

This is HOT TOPICS, number one.

CITE SOURCES proving MY opinion or assessment of CO?

CHECK OUT THE LOCAL, NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL NEWS.

I don't have to provide 3rd party sources for MY assessment or opinion. I go on my own first-handed experiences, observations and knowledge as I formulate MY personal opinion/s.

 

[hungkee]

Gun laws don't prevent such tragedies. ..

Oh, it is, too, connected to gun laws. This guy even went out of his way to follow the gun laws to the tee - until he went to turn them on everyone by slaughtering the innocents.

Of course, gun laws are implicated and involved in how all of this could happen.

An Internet source selling and shipping 6000 - SIX THOUSAND - semi-automatic assault bullets to an address/an individual?

And that may only be because its all that the gunman could afford.

6000 - SIX THOUSAND - without questions?

What were any of them thinking while the order was placed and fulfilled?

GLOCKS? Semi-automatic assault weapons? All being purchased by ONE individual in one city all within only a handful of weeks' time?

And no one asked any questions?

I think that many 2nd Amendment defenders and NRA gun lovers seem to do what this mad gunman did - they obscure the line between reality and fiction/fantasy. They also confuse what ought to be legal rights with what hit men for the mafia get away with illegally.

Tell me: What private "upstanding" individual citizen either needs or can even much use 2-3 Glocks and several semi-automatic assault weapons AND 6000 plus rounds of ammo?

And those are all for the private use of a LAW ABIDING USA citizen? lol

Even Mexican drug cartel hit men envy that sort of arsenal, I would imagine.

And the proof is in the pudding, as they say.

WE SEE how this law abiding USA citizen used all of those weapons and rounds of ammo.

Its right in front of your EYES, people.

To say that the laws aren't the problem or don't need to be changed is monstrously ridiculous.

Will anything remove the hate inside the heart of a killer? NO.

But we don't have to make things soooooooooooo easy as to help him take out potentially 100 and more people at a time (and within only minutes).

And

 

[backagain]

And that is something for Colorado to look at closely, honestly and to take very seriously. Because it keeps producing these events because its rather in denial about itself.

And you have your head up your ass, but we can't stop that.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

We could sentence him to death, or we could study his mind to better understand, dare i say someday prevent?? such occurences. How much can you learn from a corpse?

A lot of people think psychology and understanding the inner mullings or motivations of killers is goobledy gook, "i had it rough too and i turned out just fine." That pride and ignorance of the human mind could mean the difference between potentially saving lives.

 

[DigitalFudge]

We could sentence him to death, or we could study his mind to better understand, dare i say someday prevent?? such occurences. How much can you learn from a corpse?

A lot of people think psychology and understanding the inner mullings or motivations of killers is goobledy gook, "i had it rough too and i turned out just fine." That pride and ignorance of the human mind could mean the difference between potentially saving lives.

I see no lies

 

[pat grimshaw]

If just one skinny, solitary student can kill twelve people, how much more effective would these self-confident, publicity-seeking young men and women from Louisiana be?

 

[hungkee]

If just one skinny, solitary student can kill twelve people, how much more effective would these self-confident, publicity-seeking young men and women from Louisiana be?

And don't forget the dozens and dozens more injured - some of whom may very well may wind up permanently in wheelchairs or bed-ridden (since its been revealed some are in dire condition which may not change over time). The reality is that this ONE crazy could have easily killed 100 people within only ten minutes time or so. Its only due to all sorts of variables that such didn't happen.

But it was very much his intent and within his powers to have made happen.

Not to then also add in the yet to be determined threat he left in his apartment complex. 20 or so units in just his building...all potentially threatened. And depending upon what he used, add in the other 5 apt buildings in the complex also evacuated.

And add in a block or two of surrounding area, should a "bomb" in that apt set off a gas line explosion.

ONE individual.

And we think we're at war in Afghanistan?

 

[pat grimshaw]

Those kids from Louisiana were showing their faces as well as displaying machine guns and AK-47s (or what looked like it)

 

[gsdx]

Oh, it is, too, connected to gun laws. This guy even went out of his way to follow the gun laws to the tee - until he went to turn them on everyone by slaughtering the innocents.

You haven't been around this forum long enough to know my views on guns. I assure you that, in almost 10 years as a member of JUB, this is the first time I have ever defended the gun laws, and I defended them only to the extent that, even if the US had extremely strict gun laws, Holmes would have found a way. It was his mindset. It was something he had to do, and nothing would have stopped them from doing it.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

And we think we're at war in Afghanistan?

well one can say stuff but

world a man is sure a is

connect da dots ans maybe ?
* zillions a dots ya think Man gonna wen *
ooh well just gonna got cross our fairy bits
% ans one day %
yeah

thankyou

 

[genthree]

It is just American culture, stop complaining, enjoy it.