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15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Election

Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

I'm not convinced from those links that Obama will win Missouri. That said, the Post article touches on something I've been harping about in Ga. Dems need to work rural areas...it's an old time Dem constituency that is basically independent and swinging. They like attention and Dems have ignored them while they have garnered attention from the GOP. And I've said Obama needs to hit 40% of the white vote in alot of these type states, too. Yet, Dems like to go to the big cities...lots of people, easy media reach, close to the airports, etc. If Obama wants to reach rural voters, he needs to be seen visiting farms, talking immigration and agribusiness, going to military bases in rural areas and just relating to regular people, so I do like the effort. After all, past elections have shown that Dems do great in big urban centers, to move past that and win, they've got to expand. Kerry and Gore preferred to campaign in Orlando, Philly, Cincy, St Louis, etc. by-passing those communities miles off the interstate So, Obama quit hanging out in big cities and college towns, the media will still find you out in the fields pushing a plow....I promise:^o.


Be patient. Obama performs stronger than Kerry in 2004, and it's foolish to underestimate the Illinois senator.

Interesting read (excerpt, below).…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_bellwether


"Continued bellwether status?
"Whether Missouri will continue to be a bellwether remains to be seen. One of the more important national phenomena that has not had the same impact in Missouri as in the rest of the country is the influx of immigrants, particularly Latinos. Analysts and journalists in recent times have pointed to states like Ohio, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and California as more accurate political and cultural bellwethers. As for Missouri, Slate columnist Chris Suellentrop has said that [the state] "isn't so much a bellwether as it is a weathervane: It doesn't swing the country, the country swings it..." and that [Missouri] is a better indicator of whether a trend is mainstream than of what the next new trend will be."
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

First 2 new national polls! As you know, the national trendlines have shown McCain catching up and essentially typing Obama. Today, two new polls, for the first time show McCain slipping ahead (although within the margin of error).

Rasmussen -- McCain 47, Obama 46
Zogby-- McCain 42, Obama 41


Breaking down the Zogby poll, there are numerous danger signs for Obama, who lead in Zogby's polling by +10 in July. For example:

*18-29 year olds -- McCain gained +20 with young adults, while Obama fell 11 points. Some of Obama flip-flops and move to the center has perhaps disillusioned some of this population

*Women -- Obama lead by only 5 points as McCain picked up 10 points.

*Independents -- McCain and Obama are TIED with Indies as Obama dropped 11 points with this group.

*Democrats -- self-declared Democrats dropped 9 points for Obama.

*Catholtics -- McCain won this group by 15 points, previously Obama lead by +11, so a 26 point shift.

*Single Voters -- McCain carries singles by a 51-37% margin with Obama dropping 19%.

The core Democratic voters are walking the plank right now. Most of this, I still maintain, is due to McCain by some miracle embracing an energy policy in line with most Americans. Amazing how the GOP is milking energy since they were in office when all this happened. As I always say, the GOP knows how to run campaigns, and Dems know how to lose.
 
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New state polling data:

NEW YORK -- Obama +18 -- Siena -- Comfy lead for Obama in the Empire State.

CONNECTICUT-- Obama +15 -- Rasmussen -- The old Nutmeg State also providing a New England lead for Obama.

ALABAMA -- McCain +18 -- Rasmussen -- The Heart of Dixie hearts McCain.

OKLAHOMA -- McCain +32 -- Sooner Poll -- In the Sooner State, McCain is blowing out the competition just like the football Sooners do.

FLORIDA -- McCain +5 -- Fabrizio -- McCain inching ahead in the Sunshine State.

MASSACHUSETTS -- Obama +9 -- The Bay State is much closer than one would have thought....hmmm, could Romney really help in MA?

ARIZONA -- McCain +16 -- Rasmussen
ARIZONA -- McCain +12 -- PPP -- both polls show McCain cruising in the Copper State.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Still seems to me that if Obama is to tie-down those first four states on Snappy's list (FL, PA, OH and MI), there's one common denominator. . . Hillary Clinton. Hillary had those states in the Primaries (whether you want to count the FL/MI votes or not, the votes were hers). Logic would seem to dictate, that the way to tie-down the lions share of electoral votes is by winning those first four states by taking Hillary along for the ride. If he only wants one or two states, regardless of their position on the list, then he can take any one of the other VP contenders. Of course, nobody really votes for VP, but Hillary would make Obama a lot more palatable in the battleground states.

Just thinkin' out loud.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Still seems to me that if Obama is to tie-down those first four states on Snappy's list (FL, PA, OH and MI), there's one common denominator. . . Hillary Clinton. Hillary had those states in the Primaries (whether you want to count the FL/MI votes or not, the votes were hers). Logic would seem to dictate, that the way to tie-down the lions share of electoral votes is by winning those first four states by taking Hillary along for the ride. If he only wants one or two states, regardless of their position on the list, then he can take any one of the other VP contenders. Of course, nobody really votes for VP, but Hillary would make Obama a lot more palatable in the battleground states.

Just thinkin' out loud.


I agree. I've felt all along that: a) Hillary was more electable because she could carry the usual Dem states plus OH and FL b) she would boost the ticket as a VP because of her hardcore, loyal followers; she is one of the few Dems who people know so well that she is not one who can only deliver a single state like Kaine or Bayh and c) Obama would not choose her because he is sensitive to being upstaged..... and her hubby's baggage.
 
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I agree. I've felt all along that: a) Hillary was more electable because she could carry the usual Dem states plus OH and FL b) she would boost the ticket as a VP because of her hardcore, loyal followers; she is one of the few Dems who people know so well that she is not one who can only deliver a single state like Kaine or Bayh and c) Obama would not choose her because he is sensitive to being upstaged..... and her hubby's baggage.

I agree. But, as for "c)" That's one bullet he may have to bite! :)
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

The core Democratic voters are walking the plank right now. Most of this, I still maintain, is due to McCain by some miracle embracing an energy policy in line with most Americans. Amazing how the GOP is milking energy since they were in office when all this happened. As I always say, the GOP knows how to run campaigns, and Dems know how to lose.

Given the batch we've had in office, would you be willing to entertain the thought that they engineered the energy mess to have something to frighten voters with, and McCain is going with the position prepared just for this moment?
 
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Given the batch we've had in office, would you be willing to entertain the thought that they engineered the energy mess to have something to frighten voters with, and McCain is going with the position prepared just for this moment?

My kneejerk reaction would be to say "NO" since so much of the oil prices are dictated by anti-American and anti-Bush countries, but on the other hand, you reminded me of "given the batch we've had in office" and I would have to say anything is possible with that lying crew.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Given the batch we've had in office, would you be willing to entertain the thought that they engineered the energy mess to have something to frighten voters with, and McCain is going with the position prepared just for this moment?

Inasmuch as I find Republican leadership to be a bunch of right-wing-ass-kissing sleaze-balls, I'd prefer to think, in this case, they're "making lemonade." Now, "big oil" might have done it, but I don't think so. I think in both cases they're just making the best ($$$$$) of a bad situation.
 
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Poll-Time!!!! We're nearing the convention and while Obama is confidently resting in Hawaii, the polls continue to swing over to McCain's side. Shall we dig in and make up for lost time?

TEXAS-- McCain +10 -- UTexas -- Johnny Mac doesn't have as big a lead in the Lone Star State as the Bushies but fairly comfortable nevertheless.

WISCONSIN -- Obama +5 -- Strategic Vision -- Some tightening in America's Dairyland.

WASHINGTON -- Obama +7 -- SurveyUSA -- A huge 9-point drop in the same poll in July for Obama in the Evergreen state.

MINNESOTA -- Obama +4 -- Rasmussen -- Another 9-point drop in the same poll from July for Obama in the North Star state.

COLORADO -- McCain +1 -- Rasmussen -- Again, a 4-point drop in the pivitol Centennial state for Obama. In WA, MN, and CO, which share many similar demographic characteristics, the difference is McCain is starting to pull the lion's share of Independents.

NEVADA -- McCain +3 -- Rasmussen -- The Silver state showing well and with a tad of consistency for McCain. Some think the polls aren't accounting for the state having so many newly registered Dems.

KANSAS -- McCain +14 -- Rasmussen -- McCain's formerly "gigantic" Sunflower state lead is now merely "hefty".

PENNSYLVANIA -- Obama +5 -- Franklin & Marshall Coll. -- Keystone state still holding steady for Obama.

IOWA -- Obama +5 -- Rasmussen -- Another state where Obama is free-falling...his previous lead in the same poll from the Hawkeye state was double this margin.

NORTH CAROLINA -- McCain +4 -- SurveyUSA -- Despite Obama's marketing efforts, no movement in the polls. Based on the last four months of polling, the Tarheel state might as well be called the Consistency State.

FLORIDA -- McCain +4 -- InsiderAdvantage -- Again, despite outspending McCain on TV ads $6.5 million to Zero, the Sunshine state is simmering for McCain.

ALASKA -- Obama +5 -- Hays -- The outlier poll of the month is in the Last Frontier which indicates Obama snow-mobiling to victory.

OREGON -- Obama +10 -- Rasmussen -- In the same week that SurveyUSA had the Beaver state within the margin of error, Ras shows a big lead for Obama.

VIRGINIA -- McCain +1 -- Rasmussen
VIRGINIA -- TIE --InsiderAdvantage -- Two polls have the Old Dominion race too close to call.

So, what catches your attention? For me, it would be Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin...they were all un-stable for Dems in recent elections and they may be heading back to that mode. Also, his TV ads in NC and FL have kept him close in those states, but he's had no movement in NC and just a little in FL.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Poll-Time!!!! We're nearing the convention and while Obama is confidently resting in Hawaii, the polls continue to swing over to McCain's side. Shall we dig in and make up for lost time?


So, what catches your attention? For me, it would be Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin...they were all un-stable for Dems in recent elections and they may be heading back to that mode. Also, his TV ads in NC and FL have kept him close in those states, but he's had no movement in NC and just a little in FL.

What draws my attention? VA is too close to call and CO is about even. McCain leads in TX by only 10 pts. Obama is up by 5 in AK. Republicans should be worried by these polls.

MN and WI have been close in recent Presidential elections, but have gone Dem. IA narrowly went for Gore in 2000 and Bush in 2004. For me, no surprises in the polling here. It will be a close race in 2008 as well. My attention might be caught if McCain was polling ahead in these states.

Sammie Where are the polls from the Wolverine State and the Buckeye State?
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

One Friday morning poll:

NORTH CAROLINA -- McCain +4 -- Rasmussen -- The Consistency state strikes again...just like SurveyUSA earlier in the week, NC holds at MacMan's 4 point lead.


B'back...good point about keeping NC and VA in play even if the Dems ultimately lose them. And Syntax, we've had countless polls from the Buckeye and Wolverine States (worthless, over-rated Big 10 states IMHO:D), but none this week. The last 2 Michigan polls were from Rasmussen (Obama +4) and PPP (Obama +3); the last 2 Ohio polls were strikingly different -- Rasmussen (McCain +10) and Quinnipac (Obama +2).

Can't wait to see how those convention bounces impact the polls as well as VP selections.
 
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Thanks for the link, CoolBlue. It was a good corrective of this relentless polling that my friend Sammie is so fond of. (He follows polls like other people follow sports statistics and like Rainman follows plane crashes!) :D

From the conclusion of the guest author:

Both the Gallup national tracking poll and recent state polls show Obama leading McCain by a wide margin in the blue states, maintaining a modest lead in the purple states, and narrowing the Republican advantage in the red states. With his own electoral base secure, Obama can afford to shift campaign resources into a number of once solidly Republican states that now appear to be in play such as Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana. At a minimum this will force the McCain campaign to devote scarce resources to these states---resources that might otherwise be used in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Less than three months from Election Day, the 2008 presidential race appears to be Barack Obama's to lose.

From Sabato's commentary:

Prof. Abramowitz has provided two graphs (below). The first shows the daily ups-and-downs in the Gallup tracking since the end of the Democratic primaries. What a dynamic campaign! There are great swings back and forth, as though millions of Americans can be pushed and pulled across the party column by every new development (and as though they were really paying such close attention). But in the second graph, Prof. Abramowitz plots out the Gallup trackings on a ten day average. Now the more stable trend becomes clear--Obama has a steady lead of about 3 points. The random statistical noise of daily polling has been eliminated, and a smoother reality becomes apparent.

I've always found Sabato to be sober and sure in his analysis, but didn't know of his website. I'll be sure to check back on this site over the next ninety days.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

In 2000 we thought the election was Gore's to lose.

In 2004 we thought the election was Kerry's to lose.

And, of course, they did.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

In 2000 we thought the election was Gore's to lose.

In 2004 we thought the election was Kerry's to lose.

And, of course, they did.


That made me laugh...I can so see that happening again;). Nobody can lose like a Democrat. It's astonishing in national polls how poorly Obama does relataive to the current US backdrop. My yard man could poll better against the GOP right now.

If there is an implication that I think this is a map-redefining election, that couldn't be further from the truth. Many here, the OP for one...JackTwist for another have written that they think the electoral map in '08 will be thrown upside down. I have never prescribed to that notion. In fact, for example, when I advocated Hillary in the Spring on here electability, I based it on the fact that she could win in Ohio and probably Florida. I never felt that beyond those states (and Arkansas) that she would push the ball any further. Obamakans talked ad nauseum about how he will re-define the electoral map. I just said, "give me Kerry's states and Ohio" and I'll be happy. Now, as we push toward November, the map is very likely to fall close to it's usual configuration just as I predicted. Yeah, CO and VA are in-play. Iowa and New Hampshire may go back to the donkey. But, otherwise, it's pointing toward what I expected.

I am delighted that Obama ads are running in Georgia, NC, Indiana and Florida to name a few. Even if he loses those states, it is effective down-ticket and long-term for the health of the party in those key states.
 
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What would be realistic in the Electoral College is as follows.…

John McCain Wins: He keeps the 2000 George W. Bush states—including New Hampshire (which backed John Kerry of neighboring Massachusetts in 2004)—for a total of 278 electoral votes.

For McCain to go deeper would mean his type of proposed leadership would win over the electorate. That's how he would move the likes of Michigan (17) and Pennsylvania (21). But if he gets those two to switch, he'd be liable to go deeper—for example, New Englanders Connecticut (7) and Maine (4) have voted identically to Mich. over the last ten elections (1968-2004). And Washington (11, disagreeing with Mich., Conn., and Me. only in 1988) and Oregon (7, disagreeing with Mich., Conn. and Me. only in 1968) would probably agree as well. (Pa. disagreed with Mich., Conn., and Me. only in 1976.) That potential adds up to 345.

To duplicate 2004—with N.H. in his win column—McCain would have to hold onto Iowa (7) and New Mexico (5), for a total of 357 electoral votes.

Barack Obama Wins: Like the last three party-switching presidential winners—Ronald Reagan (1980), Bill Clinton (1992), and George W. Bush (2000)—Obama would retain all of his party's previous losing candidate's states. The 2004 John Kerry amassed a total of 252 electoral votes between 19 states and the District of Columbia.

From that point, he'd likely win back Iowa (7) and New Mexico (5)—which backed Bush in 2004—and win the three leading bellwethers (Missouri, 11; Nevada, 5; Ohio, 20), for a total of 300. Though there's skepticism on his winning all three, we've seen it play out that way for 20 of the last 25 elections (1908-2004). (Latest polls show it is Obama's neighboring Mo. that looks least reluctant.) Add to it either Florida (27) and/or Georgia (15), which have—in all of the past 25 elections—backed every Democratic president (Woodrow Wilson won Fla. and Ga. in 1912; Franklin Roosevelt won both every time, 1932, 1936, 1940, 1944; Harry Truman won both, in 1948; John Kennedy won Ga., in 1960; Lyndon Johnson won Fla., in 1964; Ga.'s Jimmy Carter won both, in 1976; Bill Clinton won them separately—Ga., in 1992; Fla., in 1996). One or both, in mind again, and I'm more inclined to buy into Fla. Total so far: 327.

Though the polling has tightened, Colorado (9) has looked more healthy for Obama during the election year. And given their identical voting history over the last 15 elections (1948-2004), Montana (3) is in play. Total: 339. Two of eleven states voting GOP in all of the past ten elections, Virginia (13) and Obama's neighboring Indiana (11) may make the switch as well. That's 363 electoral votes.



The way I've been seeing it—and with polling still consistently favoring Obama in the popular vote (yeah, even for it to get down to 3…2…1…or a statistical tie)—I think it's more realistic to predict Obama for the win in November. Even though latest polling in final week or so of July, and to this point in August, suggests McCain is closing gap in states Obama is competitive, still doesn't change that Obama is competitive—and forces McCain to have to defend the likes of Colo., Mont., Ind., and—woa!—Va. And this doesn't mention Alaska and North Carolina and North Dakota, neither. That's not good news for McCain and the GOPs. For Obama to lose, what the Illinois senator would have to do is go out of his way to hand the election to McCain. Whether it's ineptitude or laziness via his campaign and the eventual debates, I don't see it happening. (For it to happen, American voters would go out of their way to reject him. That gets into controversial matters.)

A couple months back, I listened to Alan Colmes's radio show (far more rewarding, naturally, then seeing him co-host Fox News' Hannity & Colmes) as he interviewed Pat Robertson. With Obama having reaped the delegates needed for his party's nomination, Robertson went ahead and told Colmes that he believes it is the Hillary Clinton voters who will decide this year's election. I believe he's right. And if that does materialize, it will reflect in the U.S. popular vote—and likewise in the Electoral College that will bring in states some don't believe (at this point) will be in Obama's win column: Florida and Missouri, for example.
 
Re: 15 States to Watch in the US Presidential Elec

Very solid analysis Coolblue.

Myself...I'm always a little hesitant to go too far back in election history to find an electoral baseline (maybe 4 cycles at the most) because demographics change so rapidly. Yet, the odd thing is that, for example, in the South we've had such a huge influx over the last 30 years of northerners and midwesterners that pundits have constantly thought the conservative political south would die, and yet we continue to become even MORE conservative. States in the south and west with large transient populations are supposed to be wildcards but that hasn't happened in Dixie at least.

The map is, as you rightfully explain, Obama's to lose. I totally concur. I find it utterly amazing that he is not doing better, esp. in national polls. And due to the polling and his slippage since July 1 (albeit not an earth-shattering decline) I simply have this gut feel that he and his campaign are hanging by a thread. One more gaffe or Rev Wright-type moment, and it just seems like his efforts could spin out of control. Yet, I know many people subscribe to the "McCain is tempermental and a walking time bomb" theory. I come from the other angle, however, which is that Obama is un-tested and a walking time bomb. After all, support Obama or not, the GOP has already taken the bull by the horns and made this 2008 campaign NOT about war/security or the economy, but rather about whether Obama is fit to lead. If I'm a Republican, I like the terms that they've positioned this battle...McCain can't win on the war or economy, but he CAN potentially win on whether Obama has the capacity to lead this country.

For McCain, Michigan is the most pivotal state. He needs to add it, and not lose too many smaller states to Obama (VA, CO, NM, NV, IA). He is pretty much tied in VA and CO, leads in NV and is in trouble in IA and NM. I don't think McCain will have any problems in FL or MO; he is about even in Ohio. Maybe Pawlenty in MN could help change its color.

The Obama playground is much bigger, which is a postive for Dems compared to previous elections. But, just being close in these states won't cut it as he'll have to turn some over. But, should he lose MI, OH and FL, can he milk enough electoral votes out of those smaller states. Maybe Bayh in IN could impact that state for the Dems.

Most of the states aren't going to change colors, but are fun to speculate. I don't see NC, GA, AK, ND, SD, MT changing colors.
 
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