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On Topic Discussion 2 yo boy killed by alligator at Disney

Try 24/7 for 18 years, then they still rely on you if for no other reason than as a sounding board.
There are no perfect parents, just perfect spectators.
:=D:


I am on my phone so I can't post it, but a video has shown up of an employee at Splash Mountain pushing an alligator away from guests on the ride. That looks really bad if there will be a lawsuit.
There won't be a lawsuit. As a multi-billion dollar corporation, all Disney cares about is profits. Their luck in client safety has finally run out, now they are in damage control mode. The few millions that they'll pay to the family is a drop in the bucket compared to the tens of millions their insurers will demand they spend for the safety of the public. it was a gamble and Disney's luck finally wore out.

On another note, my BF has a picture of his mother being chased by a gator in Disneyworld in 1983!!!
 
I think Disney needs to stop advertising that is is a Magical place, people apparently take that literally.
 
Or at least their safe, sandy beaches. Guests take that literally too.
 
Or at least their safe, sandy beaches. Guests take that literally too.


I'm borrowing this map from post #98:

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Under the name of the lake, Seven Seas Lagoon, you can see an island named Beachcomber Isle. Manmade, too, I'd imagine.

Anyway, is that an invitation to boaters to land and literally comb the beaches, or is 'beachcomber' Floridian slang for 'alligators'?
 
It doesn't matter how many signs are up, people will find a reason to say someone didn't do enough to prevent the accident.
 
Try 24/7 for 18 years, then they still rely on you if for no other reason than as a sounding board.
There are no perfect parents, just perfect spectators.

Very true, however I won't let a 2 or 3 yr old in a freshwater pond, lake, canal anywhere even if I was holding their hand in 6" of water and swimming or wading was allowed. E- coli, bacteria, & when the water is warm nasty fatal brain eating ameba. There was a warning on the news today about these ameba like every summer, and usually a few people are killed. They are older teens or adults who die with developed mature immune systems. A baby doesn't have a very developed immune system. Its a dumb move for a parent to allow a toddler into hot fresh water. If you travel to the dead Lake Mead outside of Las Vegas notice the warning signs about the brain eating ameba at various shallow Oasis. So Disney needs to post signs about the possibility of possible other killers in the water that could be adsorbed through ears, nose, cuts etc, or a baby swallowing water.
If the kid got sick and died 2 wks later that would make the local Florida news but not like the horror of a feeding alligator. It wasn't a attack it was a meal.

Alligators are opportunistic feeders, and ambush hunters. They hunt in the water not out. They will not climb a fence to feed, and the smaller ones that climb are very clumsy, there is no grace in a alligator trying to climb a fence.

Spring and drought is when alligators ramble. Spring, now is mating time. Also in spring its dry, any drought will force alligators to be on the move if the water dries up. Gators are not agile climbers, they are heavy ground/water dwelling reptiles with powerful legs used for short burst of speed and digging. They can't be compared to a lizard such as arboreal iguana.

I am so sad for this vacationing family, they will likely never recover from this no matter how much Disney pays them to hush this story down, and certainly they will. I can understand a false since of safety as Disney, (which is really called the Reedy Creek improvement district, Florida). Disney plants a very lush and Jurassic Park look. Sort of a fantasy, its on the east end of the Huge Vital Green Swamp in Central Florida. There are a host of venomous creatures and other threats that freely move about this land. It is not a zoo.

If you entered my property and were bitten by a pygmy rattlesnake and sued me, likely you would lose. The property owner under normal circumstances cannot be help responsible for native wildlife moving within its habitat. If you were on my property and bitten by a cobra that escaped its cage then I would be liable. The difference between a zoo and native wildlife or private preserve land with dangerous wildlife.

Its a catch 22 posting alligator signs where tourist are staying is like putting up a billboard to come and harass and feed the alligators. Every family member or friend that has come to my house, the first thing they want to see is a alligator in the wild. I show most of them too. I get a kick out of a sidewalk that goes over seveeral sloughs right along a busy road near the lake. The ditches are shallow and the woods very thick but its not the lake. There are always gators sitting right next to where the bikers and joggers and people are walking pushing baby strollers. 99% of the time the gator is never seen, 99.9% of the time there is no problem with the gator.



I guess Disney needs to start putting up warning about lightning as well. More tourist are tragically killed/injured by lightning then eaten by alligators. For some reason people always say the lightning struck out of the blue as they stand on a wide open beach, I can see a lawsuit for not having the proper warning.

People on Holiday often relax from common sense they would have at home. They wouldn't be as keen on native wildlife as locals of course.
 
I just looked up sunset and sunrise to see if that statement is actually correct. Tonight the sunset is at 8:26 in Orlando. And day to day there is only a slight change in time when it comes to sunrise/sunset.

So of course it would be dark at 9:30. But I mean, when you have the Internet at your finger tips why do any sort of research and just make blanket statements instead?


Well, I have lived in Florida, and I have been out at 9:05 pm in June, and it is light out.

Which is better...personal experience, or the internet?
 
Well, I have lived in Florida, and I have been out at 9:05 pm in June, and it is light out.

Which is better...personal experience, or the internet?

The internet. Sort've. The human eye doesn't see color well when dusk and dark hits, people's vision often goes to a kind've greyscale without them realizing it. Things look lighter when your eyes adjust, despite it not actually being any brighter. There's also some interesting color changes depending on light brightness but m'not sure that has much to do with others' actual perception of light so much as a personal perception error.

And then it gets yet darker and it turns out y'can't see shit.
People's vision sucks.
 
Well, I have lived in Florida, and I have been out at 9:05 pm in June, and it is light out.

Which is better...personal experience, or the internet?

I have also been to Florida and I didn't recall it ever being daylight that late. And I was there less than a year ago. I just did another google search on a couple different days of sunset and it's all roughly the same, including the night that this happened. Not saying there there was never a day it was daylight that late, but not recently or the night of the attack.

This also isn't me saying because it was night time the Parents were Monsters, but it is about keeping with proper information.
 
@ vulgar_newcomer, Your post gives tons of great info that most parents would never consider.
When we raised our son it was always a situation of being overprotective verses careless, in this world there are so many possibilities of tragedy that if we were to give heed to all possibilities we would never leave our homes and certainly keep children from all danger.
But, what kind of a life would it be if a child never splashed in a mud puddle?
 
Question: Does Disney World have a concrete wall around it like Disneyland? If not, would something like that keep alligators off the property?
 
I don't know, but it would be a herculean task. Disneyland is 85 acres, while Disney World is 27,000 acres (about 47 sq. Miles). Only 35% of that area has been developed, the rest is in it's natural state.
 
Visitors can't get on the property without paying, can they? They must have something in place to keep out the gatecrashers.

If they can keep people out/off the premises, they should be able to outwit most sizable critters. Especially since they've been operating in Florida since the early 70s. By now, I'd think they should have some experience in that regard.

And, according to the Wiki page [see link in post #225] that lake was made with an artificial wave maker installed for people to go surfing. I wonder how they expected to keep the critters out, and keep the waters safe for people/swimmers back then?
 
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