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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

Kahaih said:
There are now more than 1,436,965,010 people living in China.
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Not sure what this post trying to say with 1.43 billion people.
Meaning reduce afew % is not a big deal or what ??
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

rareboy said:
To keep things somewhat in perspective, apparently over 6000 people have died in the US so far from this year's flu virus. Over 60,000 are expected to die this year.

https://www.dispatch.com/zz/news/20...MqujLL303o70XaxRut_1y9lePYcEwWBc8c8o5f3tFV2qk

And this is with flu shots and reasonably healthy resistance to this strain among the general population.
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I think people are not taking the coronavirus seriously because of the Y2K Fallacy. I named it the Y2K Fallacy because currently there is no official logical fallacy for this. Let me explain it.

Say there is a crack in the dam. The engineer tells people we need to do some repair work or this dam will collapse. So, the people spend some money to have the dam repaired. The dam is repaired. After several years of no dam collapse, some people start questioning why did we have to waste all that money to repair the dam? Nothing has happened. So, clearly, the dam didn't need any repair.

I know this sounds silly. I gave an over-obvious example to put my point across. Here is a real world example of the Y2K fallacy.

Computer scientists warned that the Y2K bug could be a real problem when the year 2000 hits. So, governments and industries around the world spent enormous amounts of resources, time, and manpower to fix this bug. The year 2000 came and no disaster happened. People around the world started calling the Y2K bug just another doomsday prophecy. Um, no. We diverted the disaster. That's why it didn't happen.

When after Katrina happened, they spent an enormous amount of resources to build the new levee system to divert another disaster. I remember watching a press conference a couple years after Katrina where the Mayor was answering critics who were really pounding on them about wasting resources on building the new levee system and LOOK the city didn't get flooded in this year's hurricane so clearly we didn't need to build the new levee system!

People who are dismissing the coronavirus are probably thinking to themselves that since there ain't no 100 million people dying from it it must not be that serious, totally ignoring the fact that there ain't no 100 illion people dying from it because of the serious steps taken by various governments to quarantine the virus. So...
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

I work in healthcare so i am on the front lines of any virus or sickness that comes out. We have been seeing a lot of patients with Flu Like Symptoms. I wear a mask on when i am entering those rooms.

I still think the Ebola virus was more scarier then this one.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

USEDCAR said:
I work in healthcare so i am on the front lines of any virus or sickness that comes out. We have been seeing a lot of patients with Flu Like Symptoms. I wear a mask on when i am entering those rooms.

I still think the Ebola virus was more scarier then this one.
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Yeah, but that was Africa...
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

peeonme said:
While the news media likes to play "the sky is falling" and stir the pot, it is usually based upon an actual event. I doubt that China's Communist government would allow posing for fake pictures of a non event so I believe that there is a problem that could spread world wide given all of the travel to and from China.
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A highly logical and sensible way of thinking. Thank you!!!!!!!
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

As I noted above, China and the rest of the world's health agencies will be most interested over the next few weeks in the growth rate of cases and the spread from one region to another.

As of this morning, the number of reported cases in China has apparently grown from 2700 to 4400. But still with a mortality rate of 106 cases or well below 10% at this point.

As Aristomaniac points out, the reason that so many will have the luxury of shrugging this new virus off is because government health agencies are taking it so seriously.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

Tests have confirmed that the current coronavirus outbreak did indeed start at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, as suspected.

Experts from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have said the virus was first caught by humans from animals at the food market, where everything from snakes, rats, beavers, wolf cubs and even koalas were reportedly on sale.
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https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-...Ce9bP3emch76Rae_PNiVeNeKjlF3Zg3SMJfyC3nm64RFc

I am not saying this is the most reliable source for the story....but it is as likely as anything.

This is why even Iron and Bronze age societies developed dietary laws.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

Telstra said:
Not sure what this post trying to say with 1.43 billion people.
Meaning reduce afew % is not a big deal or what ??
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I think it means 1.43 billion in one big country means they get infected easily and that would be 1.43 billion to infect others all over the world.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

Of course, the batshit crazy religious evangelicals are exploiting this regular occurence in the world of viruses to claim this is the sign of the apocalypse.

And probably raising money off their flock of sheep at the same time.

End Times broadcaster Rick Wiles closed out his TruNews program last night by warning that the outbreak of the coronavirus is a plague sent by God to purge the world of sin as the Last Days approach.
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https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post...17S0LEfGON4o_6VC8UOQxD-bKQxxHJh3_JSNKyPizuzgE
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

Wow. Look at how your tone has changed." ..regular occurrence in the world of viruses." I knew you'd come around to my sensable analysis.

With the way this "pandemic" is said to spread, tens of thousands of Chinese, if not more, should be dead beyond the normal mortality rate. Until I see concrete proof from reliable sources, I still call it's just a run of the mill flu virus.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

My tone hasn't changed at all.

Just because it is normal, doesn't mean it isn't deadly. Viruses are opportunistic and only care about finding a host that support their growth and spread.

And if you can't be bothered to know that a coronavirus and flu virus are different things....perhaps you really shouldn't be pretending to offer a learned opinion.

If the public health system didn't bother to take any strict measures to contain and treat this mutating virus...it is very possible that thousands would die. The key at this point is to contain and suppress the numbers of cases to prevent the further mutation and spread.

We know you don't read or believe reliable sources. What you really mean is that you will contain to hold fast to your notion that this is somehow an hysterical conspiracy...until one of your own hysterical conspiracy sites tells you to panic and blame someone.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

rareboy said:
...Just because it is normal, doesn't mean it isn't deadly. Viruses are opportunistic and only care about finding a host that support their growth and spread.

And if you can't be bothered to know that a coronavirus and flu virus are different things....perhaps you really shouldn't be pretending to offer a learned opinion.
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What makes these new coronaviruses dangerous is that the virus has passed through a new host- like bats, snakes and camels. This evolution from a non-human host into a human host creates a dangerous virus that most of us have never been exposed to.

There's a reason that the Chinese are building temporary field hospitals to take in thousands of patients: they have seen what happens when humans are exposed to a virus that their body has no previous exposure to.

Most of us have had immunizations or prior exposure to things like influenza. While we may feel pretty crappy for a few days, we don't get that sick. With these rogue viruses, the immune system goes into overdrive and it makes the infected person very ill.

Your earlier mention of the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1917-1918 is spot on. Unlike most flu pandemics, the Spanish flu struck young and otherwise healthy people. The reason that so many people were sickened and the reason that so many people died is that their immune systems over-responded. Most of the dead from that epidemic didn't die of the flu; they died because of their immune system's response to the flu. Those who didn't die were very ill and took weeks to fully recover.

We assume that those who get sick with viruses can be cared for at home. With these newer viruses, it makes care beyond what can be delivered at home and even if only 25% of the population were to require hospital care, that will quickly overwhelm any healthcare system.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

The new Coronavirus was first detected at the end of December, approximately one month ago. Gestation, best guess, is anywhere from 7-14 days, and a transmission factor of 3.8. Using those figures, there should thousands upon thousands already dead. Someone somewhere us not telling the truth.
 
Re: Coronavirus. Are you buying the hype?

mikey3000 said:
The new Coronavirus was first detected at the end of December, approximately one month ago. Gestation, best guess, is anywhere from 7-14 days, and a transmission factor of 3.8. Using those figures, there should thousands upon thousands already dead. Someone somewhere us not telling the truth.
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It doesn't kill healthy people at this moment.
The dead are mostly old with health conditions.
 
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