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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

I have a 102 year old aunt who is living in assisted living and they have the building in lock down. No visitors are allowed.
The nursing home situation was a wake-up call. Nineteen people died from a single Life Care facility in Kirkland, WA. Someone who had visited that facility traveled to North Carolina after visiting the nursing home in Kirkland before authorities in Washington state realized how bad the situation was.

On one hand, they want to prevent the elderly from feeling isolated, so visitors and group activities are encouraged. On the other hand, communicable illnesses hit the elderly hard, so visitors from the outside are a risk.

We may be moving more toward having residents in long term care facilities using dedicated phones and video conferencing units (communal shared devices poses yet another risk) in the residents' room.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

^ What provoked the confinement of over 70000 people in Catalonia was apparently the infection of 36 medical workers. In a stressful situation like this, medical staff can not possibly always attend every case of patients in a delicate condition as if they were approaching a surgery, as they should ideally act.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Honestly, we don't know. We've had cases where people were asymptomatic but when tested, they had the virus in their nose or throat, so we don't know when they were exposed. On the other side of that, some of the cruise ship cases were negative for several days while in quarantine and them showed positive after several days of being "isolated".

Add to this that it takes 1-3 days to get the test results back. There's no "point of care" test that gives immediate results like we have for influenza and HIV.

The point I'm asking is if we don't know then how long it takes to seroconvert, then all of this publicity about getting millions of people tested and the test-me-now mentality of many folks, may in fact be pointless if your test shows negative? True? For an accurate result and reassurance that you're actually negative you'd have to be tested over and over many times and then you could pick up the virus on the way home. This sounds like a circle. The test is really only useful if you're showing symptoms or if you know for sure you've been exposed and even then you have to repeat it multiple times, it sounds like.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

The point I'm asking is if we don't know then how long it takes to seroconvert, then all of this publicity about getting millions of people tested and the test-me-now mentality of many folks, may in fact be pointless if your test shows negative? True?

Totally.

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Authorities have been pointing that out during the past month.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

The point I'm asking is if we don't know then how long it takes to seroconvert, then all of this publicity about getting millions of people tested and the test-me-now mentality of many folks, may in fact be pointless if your test shows negative? True? For an accurate result and reassurance that you're actually negative you'd have to be tested over and over many times and then you could pick up the virus on the way home. This sounds like a circle. The test is really only useful if you're showing symptoms or if you know for sure you've been exposed and even then you have to repeat it multiple times, it sounds like.

So, there's two types of testing- antibody (seroconversion) and antigen (which looks for RNA or some part of the virus/bacteria).

At this moment, we have no antibody test for COVID-19, so we aren't doing blood or serum testing looking for a antibodies (which would tell us if you ever had COVID-19)..

Most of the tests that US has done for COVID-19 are antigen tests... specifically PCR testing. PCR takes a small amount of the virus from a throat or nasal swab, clones it repeatedly in a machine and then runs an antigen test. That's why it's taking 1-3 days to get results, because a PCR test has to be run in a specialized lab.

Where we want to get to is a point of care test which looks for tiny amount of antigen and produces an immediate "positive" or "negative"- similar to a home pregnancy test.


Re: purposes of testing... We test for two reasons:
  1. For individual treatment: To know what we're treating and what we need to do for the patient.
  2. For community surveillance: so that we know how many people are sick and how many people are carriers
The US was able to get by without COVID-19 testing for reason #1 because regardless of whether you have a cold, the flu or coronavirus- the prescription is pretty much the same- rest, isolation, good nutrition/hydration and over the counter medications. And we were lucky because the majority of people >50% don't get deathly ill from coronavirus. Even if you are one of the unlucky people who gets severe illness from COVID-19, we don't have a drug or any specific treatment that we can give you.

Testing has become a big issue for reason #2 because we've come to realize that there is a large group of people who feel well but are shedding the virus from their nose and throat. They are infecting people en masse, whether those people are healthy people who will create more cases or whether it is unhealthy people who end up in our emergency rooms (or morgues) with severe illness. We need people tested at this point because we need to get those people with the virus out of public spaces until they are no longer contagious. And because we have no treatment for the virus, those people could be at home in isolation for up to 2 weeks.

We are a bit hamstrung at the moment, because we have no mass testing capacity in the US and the current antigen testing is taking days to get results. We expect this to change as new tests become available and we may be able to get to a point where results are available in a few hours.

It will take a few weeks or months for the "point of care" tests to be available, then we will get new tests that give us immediate results so we can swab your nose and say, "You have the virus" immediately.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

At this moment, we have no antibody test for COVID-19

I found this earlier today:

COVID-19 IgM/IgG Rapid Test is a lateral flow immunoassay used to qualitatively detect IgG and IgM antibodies of the novel coronavirus in human serum, plasma or whole blood in vitro.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

I found this earlier today:

COVID-19 IgM/IgG Rapid Test is a lateral flow immunoassay used to qualitatively detect IgG and IgM antibodies of the novel coronavirus in human serum, plasma or whole blood in vitro.

That's exactly the antibody test that we're wanting for. It would help us determine whether people who have negative nasal swabs (antigen) might have had an exposure in the past. There were some unusual respiratory viruses circulating in the southeastern US in December and January that sounded very similar to the symptoms of COVID-19 but we currently have no antibody test to know if these patients had COVID-19.

I would be curious to know is whether it covers both COVID-19 strains that are in circulation at the moment.

I notice this was developed by China and has the note "This product is available for research use only and is not for use in diagnostic procedures in some countries" which means it has not been approved by the FDA for use in the US.

It is also another example of a trend: the US was once the world leader in developing new technologies; now the US is falling behind other countries.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

An Australian man returned from France. Felt unwell. Got a covid 19 test done. Then before he had the result, hopped on a plane to Wellington, New Zealand, and while he was eating at a cafe there, got word from his doctor that the test was positive. Now hes in isolation in a Wellington hotel. Why would you get on a plane knowing that you may have coronavirus and potentially infect many people?
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

An Australian man returned from France. Felt unwell. Got a covid 19 test done. Then before he had the result, hopped on a plane to Wellington, New Zealand, and while he was eating at a cafe there, got word from his doctor that the test was positive. Now hes in isolation in a Wellington hotel. Why would you get on a plane knowing that you may have coronavirus and potentially infect many people?

One week ago today: came from Milano, attended a mass rally.



A couple of days ago he pissed off the Chinese authorities by stating on the net that he was fighting Chinese viruses with Spanish antibodies.

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Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

An Australian man returned from France. Felt unwell. Got a covid 19 test done. Then before he had the result, hopped on a plane to Wellington, New Zealand, and while he was eating at a cafe there, got word from his doctor that the test was positive. Now hes in isolation in a Wellington hotel. Why would you get on a plane knowing that you may have coronavirus and potentially infect many people?

I think the authorities are even more irresponsible than a bare idiot, if they were setting free someone they suspected could propragate a disease: that was not "protecting freedom", that was screwing everybody's freedom.

That is how we got there.

Reamains to be seen whether the Chinese "Chinese" methods will hold against this virus during the next months and years...
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

...Why would you get on a plane knowing that you may have coronavirus and potentially infect many people?
To save the $150 change fee.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

^ He represents the next big thing in politics of Spain: he's #2 of his Capt Picard


They have been instructed by the same American weasels who made Trump big again and all that.
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

15-Mar-2020:

COVID-19 stats
Cases reported: 156,400 (up from 147,653 yesterday)
Deaths: 5,833 (up from 5,537 yesterday

Cases reported in the US - 2,952 cases (up from 2,174 yesterday), 57 deaths (US has tested only 15,000 people)


Global coronavirus cases in major countries:
  • Italy - 21,157 cases (up from 17,660 yesterday) - 1,441 deaths.
  • Iran - 12,729 cases (last reported 12,729 cases) - 611 deaths (no update in 2 days)
  • South Korea - 8,086 cases (no reported change from 8,086 cases for past 2 days) - 72 deaths (South Korea has conducted over 250,000 tests for a population of 50 million people)
  • Spain - 6,391 (up from 5,232 cases yesterday) - 196 deaths
  • Germany - 4,585 cases (up from 3,758 cases yesterday), 9 deaths
  • France - 4,481 cases (up from 3,667 cases yesterday), 91 deaths
  • Switzerland - 1,359 cases, 13 deaths
  • UK - 1,143 cases (up from 801 cases yesterday), 21 deaths
  • Netherlands - 959 cases (up from 804 cases yesterday), 12 deaths
  • Canada - 252 cases (up from 193 yesterday), 1 deaths
  • Australia - 250 cases (up from 200 cases yesterday), 3 deaths

United States: now in 49 states and the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the USVI
  • The US exceeded 1,000 cases on 11-March. Today, it will exceed 3,000 cases- a 200% increase in 4 days.
  • Only West Virginia has not reported COVID-19 cases.
  • New York (613 cases), Washington state (642 cases) and California (286 cases) are considered to be severely affected. Washington state leads the rest of the US with 40 deaths.
  • Big box retailers like Walmart are reducing their hours, citing the need for additional restocking time because of runs on merchandise at their stores. Grocery stores are also reducing their hours. Other retailers like Urban Outfitters are shutting down their stores for the rest of March.

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Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

"Don't believe the numbers you see': Johns Hopkins professor says up to 500,000 Americans have coronavirus"

“Look, we’ve got to abandon this idea that this virus is contained,” Makary said. “It is at large, and assume it’s on every door handle and on every car door and with every handshake.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Question:
did they know you can infected through the air since December or January?
If yes, why did they let people fly from the infected area ?
 
Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

16-Mar-2020:

COVID-19 stats
Cases reported: 169,387 (up from 156,400 yesterday)
Deaths: 6,513 (up from 5,833 yesterday) - 680 people died yesterday

Cases reported in the US - 3,774 cases (up from 2,952 yesterday), 69 deaths (US has tested only 15,000 people)

There are now more cases outside China (88,367 cases) than there were in China (81,020 cases).

Italy has reached a breaking point with no available ICU beds and no available ventilators. Something to ponder: Italy has more hospital bed capacity per citizen than the US does.

Global coronavirus cases in major countries:
  • Italy - 24,747 cases (up from 21,157 yesterday) - 1,809 deaths.
  • Iran - 13,938 cases (last reported 12,729 cases 3 days ago) - 724 deaths
  • South Korea - 8,162 cases (no reported change from 8,086 cases for past 2 days) - 75 deaths (South Korea has conducted over 250,000 tests for a population of 50 million people)
  • Spain - 7,844 (up from 6,391 cases yesterday) - 292 deaths
  • Germany - 5,813 cases (up from 4,585 cases yesterday), 13 deaths
  • France - 5,437 cases (up from 4,481 cases yesterday), 127 deaths
  • Switzerland - 2,200 cases (up from 1,359 cases yesterday), 14 deaths
  • UK - 1,395 cases (up from 1,143 cases yesterday), 35 deaths
  • Netherlands - 1,136 cases (up from 959 cases yesterday), 20 deaths
  • Canada - 339 cases (up from 252 yesterday), 1 deaths
  • Australia - 297 cases (up from 250 cases yesterday), 3 deaths

United States: now in 49 states and the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the USVI
  • The US exceeded 1,000 cases on 11-March. Yesterday at this time, it was slightly below 3,000 cases. In 24 hours, the case count has increased by 822 people and it will exceed 4,000 cases today.
  • Only West Virginia has not reported COVID-19 cases.
  • New York (729 cases), Washington state (769 cases) and California (371 cases) are considered to be severely affected. Washington state leads the rest of the US with 42 deaths.
  • Results of mass testing in New Rochelle are beginning to come in: about 14% of the people tested are positive.
  • New York City public schools are closed until further notice. Restaurants, bars and night clubs in the city have been ordered to close to public gatherings; only take-out is available.
 
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