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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

cityboy-stl said:
Good deal. I got my second shot March 30. I guess we should all be getting flu shots in September or October? Yes?
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They haven't given us the date for the 2021-2022 flu shot availability. They did tell us it will be one quadrivalent (4 different strains) formulation. It will likely be in the September or October timeframe that it becomes available.

Kulindahr said:
I couldn't tell from the linked article if the booster will be updated to cover Delta, Lambda, and others. Does anyone know?
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So far, they're saying the current Moderna and Pfizer shots will provide enough coverage for the current variants, so unless something changes between now and the Fall, it will be the same formulation.

They're basing that decision on studies that have come out showing that Delta is still susceptible to antibodies and memory cell immunity:

Here’s How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant [Healthline]
Data so far suggests efficacy rates of more than 67 percent for the J&J vaccine, 72 to 95 percent for the Moderna vaccine, and 42 to 96 percent for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
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Released today that Government has sought advice from our equivalent of the CDC. Not sure if this is out of kilter with other countries -
  1. Are booster shots required/recommended?
  2. if affirmative, ought they be administered alongside the annual flu jab, administered annually in late autumn and early winter?
  3. Vaccine mixing. Ought those fully vaccinated by a vector be boosted by a mRNA? (Public confidence seems to have collapsed in AZ due to reported side-effects and time lag between first and second shots)
  4. Should single shot Jannsen continue to be used for certain teenage cohorts, and the difficult to reach such as homeless persons, people with addiction/mental health issues and the extremely remote dwellers?
 
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Kahaih said:
It's an opinion piece, so I didn't bother with it.

But, here, maybe this will help you feel better:

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/...E9Fj_EtF6eRPc8mYiOq8NIg1LeAZt-flfZ3_e54wkRbug
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It is the record of a particular case: you can dismiss it as such quarter-of-a-drop in the covid pandemic ocean, and partisan at that, or even as a lie, if you feel like it, but "an opinion piece" is exactly every single comment, piece of news or whatever sort of apparently "detached and objective" piece of writing that you could be presented with :rolleyes: :cool:
 
Kahaih said:
It's an opinion piece, so I didn't bother with it.

But, here, maybe this will help you feel better:

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/...E9Fj_EtF6eRPc8mYiOq8NIg1LeAZt-flfZ3_e54wkRbug
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The sum of both the patient and the doctor's "opinions":
“Well, I’m not an anti-vaxxer or anything. I was just waiting for the FDA to approve the vaccine first. I didn’t want to take anything experimental. I didn’t want to be the government’s guinea pig, and I don’t trust that it’s safe,” he said.

'This was a common excuse people gave for not getting vaccinated, fearing the vaccine because the Food and Drug Administration had only granted it emergency-use authorization so far, not permanent approval. Yet the treatments he had turned to, antibiotics, monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine were considered experimental, with mixed evidence to support their use.'

Run over a cliff fleeing from a ghost.
 
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Just observation without science

1. Mask wearing in closed areas is still being respected, but more and more are wearing them below the nose.
2. Hand sanitisers. This time last year, all persons used then when entering stores. I think its now about 2 in 19
I think vaccinated people think hand hygiene is not so important,
3. Rising numbers returning to the office. I don't think it's just about the office. I think people returning to the workplace means more car-pooling, more people calling in to coffee shops, and more people calling to sandwich bars. And of course, more people on public transport.
 
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Curfew withdrawal just in time for the last weekend of the Gràcia Festival in BCN


 
smokeshadow said:
Well. . .this will certainly get some people's knickers in a twist :rotflmao:

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmoveme...insurance-will-cover-all-of-your-covid-costs/
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Good... although the hospitals will probably end up having to eat the cost if the insurance doesn't pay.

One of several irrational things going on right now...

In 2020, the US government signed agreements to buy large stockpiles of vaccines. These are provided- free of charge- to anyone who wants a vaccine. The government provides the vaccine for free, ships it to the vaccination providers for free and reimburses the vaccination provider for an administration fee.

After former President Trump got monoclonal antibodies for free when he contracted COVID-19 in 2020, the US government bought massive amounts of monoclonal antibodies. Those are also paid for by the government, sent to hospitals free of charge and Medicare/Medicaid will pay the hospital an administration fee.

The cost per dose of monoclonal antibodies is $1,250 (doesn't include the administration fee).

Many of these unvaccinated people who passed on getting a free vaccine and who are diagnosed with COVID-19 are being given monoclonal antibodies at taxpayer expense - at a minimum cost of $1,250.

In addition to overwhelming the healthcare system, these unvaccinated people are also costing taxpayers at a minimum $1,250 (the cost of the antibodies) or at maximum, the cost of a 2-3 week stay in a hospital bed (which can cost anywhere from $1,000 to $10,000 per day).

All because 90 million eligible Americans have not gotten their vaccine.


What to Know About the Covid Antibody Drugs That Could Help Many [NY Times 23-Dec-2020]
The federal government has purchased 950,000 doses from Eli Lilly and 300,000 doses from Regeneron. The drug companies have already delivered hundreds of thousands of those doses, with the rest expected by the end of January [2021]
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https://www.cms.gov/files/document/...noclonal-antibody-products-treat-covid-19.pdf
https://combatcovid.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Outpatient-Coverage.pdf
 
Vaccines give good protection against Delta, and fully vaccinated people with a previous COVID-19 infection are the best-protected group, real-world data shows

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fully-vaccinated-people-good-protection-113231747.html

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Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get ICU Beds At Dallas-Area Hospitals If Covid Spread Worsens

"doctors may have to consider coronavirus vaccination status as a factor in who gets priority care—a situation health officials hope to avoid but worry is becoming increasingly likely—with the vaccinated potentially being prioritized for treatment on the assumption that they’re more likely to survive."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/08/19/vaccination-status-may-be-considered-to-get-icu-beds-at-dallas-area-hospitals-if-covid-spread-worsens/
 
New Zealand was put into hard lockdown last Wednesday. We've had an elimination strategy through the pandemic and have been quite successful at it with only 26 deaths in total and being able to live our lives like it was 2019. Unfortunately Australia, who also had an elimination strategy, has had an outbreak. A NZ returnee from there, who it was subsequently found had covid in a quarantine test, somehow passed it on to a kiwi worker and it got out into the community.

When one person fell ill, it was picked up in a test. The Prime Minister immediately put the whole country into lockdown. No one can go to work, except essential workers, schools are shut, and we all stay in our family bubbles at home. So far they've picked up about 50 cases through contact tracing. Infected people have been to conferences, casinos, schools etc before the first case was detected. It'll be interesting to see if we can get back to zero cases in the community. Taiwan were able to do it recently after getting 500 new cases a day, but I'm not sure if that was Delta. I'm crossing fingers, because our vaccinations are just ramping up after having supply problems from pfizer. Currently about 40% of the population have had at least one dose.

One advantage of New Zealand is that we don't have any local Murdoch Tv channels. There is a lower far-right presence and generally people are behind the measures.
 
from Pandemic to Endemic,
this expert said vaccinate everyone at lease once, and the most high risk vaccinate at lease twice or more, and stop testing the vaccinated but test the unvaccinated, after that covid19 is here to stay forever but its treated as a common cold?

 
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