"21 detained under suspicion of being gay"

[Kulindahr]

Good lord, the Bible and Quran has a lot of the same stories in it. Both faiths, along with Judaism believe in the same God. The story of Jesus is in the Quran.

The Quran does not preach bloodshed. Have you ever heard of the 5 pillars of islam? Thats how all muslims are suppose to live, not kill. Good lord, get your facts straight.

That documentary was complete bullshit. You can find an equal amount of bloodshed in the Bible. In fact, just look back into the past and you find a more bloody history with the Bible than ever with the Quran.

Christians back in the day LOVED mass killing.

Christ ordered His followers to put up the sword.
Mohammed ordered his to take up the sword.

Christ never took up a weapon save in defense of His dad's house.
Mohammed took up the sword to steal other people's dads' houses.

Mohammed's version of Jesus is in the Koran -- but not the real one, because if Mohammed had actually in truth recognized Jesus as a prophet, there would have been no wars to spread Islam, Mohammed would never had authorized people to lie in order to achieve murder, would never have carried out terrorist activities, and definitely would never have forced a nine-year-old girl to have sex with him.

I'll believe that documentary was "pure bullshit" if you can show me that Mohammed did not in fact lie, murder, and steal to further his cause.

 

[TX-Beau]

**This refers to post num. 65 **

Christianity did not create tolerance in the west, some of your reformation denominations were extremely serious about religious repression.

If you have a religious beef with Islam because you're a Christian and think only you are right, please say so. There's no point in discussion if that's your position. A lot of what you're saying is factually in error.

 

[Kulindahr]

You think Christianity isn't bloody? From the beginning? Go Research St. Augustine's Just War Doctrine - circa 300ad - which has been used to justify Christian cloflicts ever since. What is this "if the bible is read incorrectly" please point me to a universally acknowledged correct reading of the bible.

When was the last time you heard about Jesus having to wipe blood off His sword, or ordering someone to lie to achieve a death, or leading raiders to plunder a caravan, or....

Islam was born in blood, and grew by blood. Its founder had blood on his hands from the beginning, and that has stained his whole work. The bloodiness of today's terrorists is the direct inheritance of that first terrorist.

 

[Apollo]

Christ ordered His followers to put up the sword.
Mohammed ordered his to take up the sword.

Christ never took up a weapon save in defense of His dad's house.
Mohammed took up the sword to steal other people's dads' houses.

Mohammed's version of Jesus is in the Koran -- but not the real one, because if Mohammed had actually in truth recognized Jesus as a prophet, there would have been no wars to spread Islam, Mohammed would never had authorized people to lie in order to achieve murder, would never have carried out terrorist activities, and definitely would never have forced a nine-year-old girl to have sex with him.

I'll believe that documentary was "pure bullshit" if you can show me that Mohammed did not in fact lie, murder, and steal to further his cause.

The prophets arent the religion. They are the spreaders of the religion in the beginning. Get that straight.

The religion is the book, and what you make of the words in the book. Seriously now, get it straight.

You seem to forget the middle east was a peaceful place during much of the Dark Ages in Europe. Or maybe you never knew that?

The story of Jesus is in the Quran. The EXACT same story as in the Bible, I think the story of Jesus is in the Torah as well.

Also, the Bible was not put together by Jesus, nor was it spread by Jesus. Constantine and a select group of people in Christianity put it together.

Did you know there is an ommited story from the Bible where Jesus tells one of the Apostles that eventually all people come to Heaven.

 

[metta]

There must be a way to dimplomatically ask these countries to stop punishing people for being gay. I wish Adreus was here....

 

[Telstra]

Actually, on paper Islam is should be the most peaceful of all th religions.

Wanna know what happened to that peace? The west destroyed it with their raiding of Jerusalem and invading of islamic territory.

But of course, the West is always right in these matters, so lets give them even more of a reason to hate and bomb us, like I am assuming you are saying under the guise of ignorance.

Despite that, this is really sad. Maybe one day all nations in the middle east will take the road of Turkey. Truely a model for how Islam should be in society and government. No one ever looks past the violence to Turkey, truely sad.

there is NO such thing as "islamic territory".
there is NO such thing as "christain territory".

territory belongs to the people who lives there.

 

[Apollo]

When was the last time you heard about Jesus having to wipe blood off His sword, or ordering someone to lie to achieve a death, or leading raiders to plunder a caravan, or....

Islam was born in blood, and grew by blood. Its founder had blood on his hands from the beginning, and that has stained his whole work. The bloodiness of today's terrorists is the direct inheritance of that first terrorist.

Read your history of Christianity. Jesus never preached killing, and mass murder, and invasion of lands in the name of God. Yet it all happened under Christianity. It also didn't preach cutting off the heads of your wives because you got bored with them and didn't want to get a divorce.

Mohammed is not a terrorist. He is the prophet of Islam who initially spread Islam the way they handled things back in those days. This was pre-dark ages, when Christians spread more death and destruction than Mohammed ever did.

They didn't attack Europeans again until Europeans attacked first.

 

[Apollo]

there is NO such thing as "islamic territory".
there is NO such thing as "christain territory".

There sure is in Jerusalem.

 

[Kulindahr]

Something else that a lot of you are not addressing is that the liberties and tolerance that we in the west take as rights, this is not biblical, not Christian, in comes from the philosophies of secular humanism, which deliberately removes religion, and religious dogma from the law.

Our modern concepts of rights did actually come from Christianity -- not applied as law, but by looking at the principles, especially two:

all are made in the image of God, and therefor all are equal
Christ died for all, and therefore all are equal


The early humanist movement (which was still Christian) took the conclusion and ran with it. But the two are still linked as they were at the beginning, in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...."


You'll also find that many Christians fought for removing religion from the law, for a very simple reason: Christ plainly opposed a religious state.


Interestingly, while Muslims claim to recognize Jesus as a prophet, they ignore this -- and other inconvenient -- statements.

 

[TX-Beau]

When was the last time you heard about Jesus having to wipe blood off His sword, or ordering someone to lie to achieve a death, or leading raiders to plunder a caravan, or....

Islam was born in blood, and grew by blood. Its founder had blood on his hands from the beginning, and that has stained his whole work. The bloodiness of today's terrorists is the direct inheritance of that first terrorist.

Before I go into any of that, please tell me if you hate Islam on religious grounds.

There’s no point in putting in the work if all you’re interested in doing is repeating ad nauseum that Christians are moral and right, and Muslims are bloody and infidel.

I understand this makes you feel all warm and smug and superior, but it’s not discussion.

 

[-Lance-]

I dislike the middle east as a whole (most eastern parts of the world as well).

When it comes to vacationing I'm sticking with Europe and the America's....possibly Africa.

It's not hatred, it's disgust, fear, and ignorance.

 

[Telstra]

I dislike the middle east as a whole (most eastern parts of the world as well).

When it comes to vacationing I'm sticking with Europe, Central America, and North America.

thats very narrow minded of the world.

 

[Apollo]

Interestingly, while Muslims claim to recognize Jesus as a prophet, they ignore this -- and other inconvenient -- statements.

Muslims recognize Jesus as the prophet of Christianity, not their religion.

 

[Apollo]

I dislike the middle east as a whole (most eastern parts of the world as well).

When it comes to vacationing I'm sticking with Europe and the America's....possibly Africa.

It's not hatred, it's disgust, fear, and ignorance.

Thats really sad, because it isn't that much dangerous. You just afraid of trying something new.

But at least your being honest instead of speaking some bullshit. I give you that. Thank you for your honesty.

 

[Telstra]

There sure is in Jerusalem.

i don't believe any religion have any piece of land what so ever.
As far as i'm concern, religion is about belonging and NOTHING to do with god anymore.

 

[Apollo]

Before I go into any of that, please tell me if you hate Islam on religious grounds.

There’s no point in putting in the work if all you’re interested in doing is repeating ad nauseum that Christians are moral and right, and Muslims are bloody and infidel.

I understand this makes you feel all warm and smug and superior, but it’s not discussion.

He just said that all Muslims need to accept Jesus as their prophet. I don't know about you, but that is a clear statement on his views about the religion.

Well that, and what he thinks about Mohammed.

 

[TX-Beau]

Our modern concepts of rights did actually come from Christianity -- not applied as law, but by looking at the principles, especially two:

all are made in the image of God, and therefor all are equal
Christ died for all, and therefore all are equal


The early humanist movement (which was still Christian) took the conclusion and ran with it. But the two are still linked as they were at the beginning, in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...."


You'll also find that many Christians fought for removing religion from the law, for a very simple reason: Christ plainly opposed a religious state.


Interestingly, while Muslims claim to recognize Jesus as a prophet, they ignore this -- and other inconvenient -- statements.

Dude, this is just wrong. As in factually false, in error, contravenes reality.

You need to do some research.

 

[Apollo]

i don't believe any religion have any piece of land what so ever.
As far as i'm concern, religion is about belonging and NOTHING to do with god anymore.

Well that is your belief, but that won't fly in Jerusalem where the three believers in God have their specific section of the city.

 

[TX-Beau]

He just said that all Muslims need to accept Jesus as their prophet. I don't know about you, but that is a clear statement on his views about the religion.

Well that, and what he thinks about Mohammed.

I want to see if he knows what he's doing or if he thinks faith is scholarship.

 

[Telstra]

Well that is your belief, but that won't fly in Jerusalem where the three believers in God have their specific section of the city.

its a business there because they make money from visitors.