"21 detained under suspicion of being gay"

[BigBoss]

Thanks marley ..You knew it that i was expecting that from you. I love you...

Can you hump me now in the name of being minority

 

[Apollo]

*sigh*

Jesus is not a prophet to Christians; he is to Muslims -- that's easy enough to find in Wikipedia, BTW. Muslims count John the Baptist, Elijah, and others as prophets as well.

Islam has many prophets, but the follow the teachings of their prophet Mohammed.

Jesus was not a prophet to muslims. Jesus came before Mohammed before they were muslims.

I wasn't talking about that; I meant that each rests on its own single individual. No other religion really does that. Buddhism comes close, but even the Buddha isn't regarded as being as authoritative as Jesus or Mohammed in their respective spheres.

Yes they do, and you put Mohammed in a light like he is some criminal. He was never born from God, he is a man who was given the task by God/Allah to spread the word of Islam, like Moses back in the day. Sure Moses was maybe a little more sanitary, but you seem to forget he was nothing but human and never said follow his words.

Mohammed's likeness is not allowed to be shown because they believe it will take away from God. Muslims are to focus on the religion, not on Mohammed's teachings strictly.

I think you'd have a hard time convincing Christians that there's any such thing as "Christian territory"... except maybe the residents of Vatican City, but there are a lot of Christians who would vehemently disagree about that.

You forget we are talking about humans here. If the Christian territory is market as the Christian territory, you will have a hard time convincing them otherwise.

Christianity was spread mostly in the blood of those who believed it and spread it. The one substantial exception to that is the conquest of the Western hemisphere, especially that which fell to Roman Catholic rulers' forces. Christianity at the time was often a tool of Empire, though less so for most Protestants, and even many Christians recognized that as being wrong

Oh please, look at the Protestant pilgrims who killed and inslaved the native americans and forced them into Christianity.

It doesn't justify anything. I'm trying to point out a serious difference between the actual religions as opposed to the behavior of some of the followers. Both these religions focus in/on single individuals, and those individuals are the final word in each. In Christianity, the final word is a Man who told His followers to not pursue temporal power, to not make use of the sword, to turn the other cheek, to be at peace with all men -- but in Islam the final word is a man who murdered, lied, robbed, and urged others to do the same in order to install the rule of Allah on all mankind.

Christianity focuses more in on Jesus than Islam on Mohammed.

Islam is about your relationship with God and not Mohammed. The likeness of Mohammed is not allowed to be shown because they believe it takes away from worship in God.

Um, I doubt the people who watched him die thought he was a lier, or murderor or cheater.

Islam promotoes thinking despite what it may look like today, and tolerance of other religions and none violence. But of course, Mohammed was none of those things, so why should the people. Even though they were were many many years. They even developed this really big book of medicine.

Uh, Wolf, are you reading the same post I am?
Are you really saying I got my course in New Testament Canonization from a documentary about the Koran???

I was talking about your knowledge of Islam.

The fact you can't get over the fact that Mohammed was a human living a less than civilized time is annoying enough.

 

[Telstra]

Did you read the word "Born" As porn,,,damn you are so horny right now.

no, i mean porn.
I want Islamic porn and christainity porn, and jew porn so i can spend my money on.

 

[Apollo]

That's pretty evident from the Wikipedia article, especially if you pursue some of the sources.
That principle of enlightened Islam, BTW, is lifted from the "prophet Jesus", who said of the pinnacle of Old Testament law, the Sabbath day, that "the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".
That's one reason I say that a Reformation fueled by principles from this particular acknowledged prophet is the only thing that can save Islam: it's not that Islam full of mercy and acceptance, etc. doesn't exist, it's that such isn't the heart and core of Islam... and also that something needs to happen to banish the bloody nature imparted by the founder.

The bloody nature is fueled by the West and Imperialism, and the thinking we can invade countries for no fucking reason at all. It isn't fueled by Mohammed. They don't site Mohammed when they are blowing up a train station last I heard.

They even use the word Jihad in the wrong context. The "jihad" islamic extremist are on isnt Jihad at all.

Where the fuck does Mohammed say you will get so many number of virgins in heaven for blowing yourself up. Where the fuck is it in the Quran?

These people aren't following anything Mohammad taught, or what the Quran preaches or said.

 

[BigBoss]

When did he lie, or stole or murdered? your accusations should come with some references. He did not spread Islam through blood shedding. He ran a war to gain control of Meccah which infact is the holiest place for Muslims, he did that after "Non-Believers" broke the pact to live in Harmony and peace. Should search for a pact called "Sullay Hudiabeia" which was b/w Muslims and the Non-Muslims, which was later violated by non-Muslims, which gave rise to a war, when he gained the control of Meccah he simply forgave those who wished not to fight anymore. He forgave the persons who killed his Uncle, who was like father to him, and those people who were forgiven later on became the cause of killing Prophet's family.

Go through some detail history to find out that within Muslims wars were fought. Why? the reason is simple , to gain Power, which ultimately came into hands of those who didn't deserve it. They were the one who conducted spreading Islam through swords. Read articles about Umar, the second Caliph,,he was a man of Violent nature, his conducts were violent not because that he was Muslim, he acted in the same barbarian way before accepting Islam. Read about "Abbasi Caliphs" and you will find out that they are decedents of the same people forgiven by Prophet (PBUH) and they were the one who started the killing spree, the war within Muslim world and other things that you blame on Islam. Islam as a religion has nothing to do with the acts of those people who were craving for Power, and used the name of Islam to Justify their end.

How about leaving Islam and Prophet Muhammad out of all this? They have nothing to do with Saudi Govt. or Osama Bin Ladin


Try not to criticize my religion because of acts of those Arabs. I can't say anything about Jesus as he is considered a messenger of God and in no way we muslims are allowed to say anything against him

I need answers from you Mr.Kulindahr

 

[Apollo]

no, i mean porn.
I want Islamic porn and christainity porn, and jew porn so i can spend my money on.

Well I have some Arab gay porn. They aren't praying before they fuck each other, but I am sure they are muslim.

 

[TX-Beau]

You're entertaining.

If I had a clue which box it was in, I'd dig out my term paper for the course, and type it out here -- all five dozen pages, with several hundred footnotes in Greek, Latin, Syriac (I hated that one!), Aramaic, German (too bloody many religious historians wrote in that language) and even English.

It's like faith isn't it, I could certainly just believe you know what you're talking about, but all the evidence points to the contrary.

You haven't pointed out where we can find this universal interpretation of Christ, the Bible and all things Christian, which you must have, since at several point you lectured us on what is, and is not a proper "understanding" of Christianity.

Where is that?

You ignored subsequent questions about why you think your interpretation of the Koran and all things Muslim has any validity at all. Since your posts read like chauvinistic hearsay and propaganda; I’d like to ask for the scholarly sources that lead you to conclude that Muslims are bloodthirsty because they “Threw out Jesus.” That’s quite a hypothesis, did you write a term paper about that too?

I asked you point blank if you have a religious bias – which any idiot can see you have – (they just need to accept Christ?!?) and instead of saying:

“Yes, I’m a Christian and I think Islam is wrong”

Which is a perfectly acceptable answer, you disingenuously went into some strange tangent about Muhammad’s bloody sword. I wasn’t asking about Muhammad.

You were completely mistaken about the origins of humanism - really the Declaration of Independence? You do realize that’s quite a late document in regards to the philosophy behind it, and ask yourself, why did Jefferson say “Creator,” and not “God.” One would assume he was familiar with common Christian nomenclature. I look forward to reading the term paper you wrote about how devout a Christian Jefferson was.

So far, I don’t see any evidence that you know what you’re talking about. Thank you for being amused, I suspect it gives you pleasure to condescend upon people, I’m glad someone found something of value in this little episode.

LOL - Term paper - I suppose all of your term papers are in that box you can't find. Oh well I guess that's what faith is for.

 

[BigBoss]

Marley whats your size

 

[Telstra]

Well I have some Arab gay porn. They aren't praying before they fuck each other, but I am sure they are muslim.

thats an interesting idea for pornographers to think about.
Religious rituals before fucking each other and cum eating and pussy eating.

 

[Apollo]

You ignored subsequent questions about why you think your interpretation of the Koran and all things Muslim has any validity at all. Since your posts read like chauvinistic hearsay and propaganda; I’d like to ask for the scholarly sources that lead you to conclude that Muslims are bloodthirsty because they “Threw out Jesus.” That’s quite a hypothesis, did you write a term paper about that too?

No no, they are bloodthirsty because "mohammed was"

 

[BigBoss]

thats an interesting idea for pornographers to think about.
Religious rituals before fucking each other and cum eating and pussy eating.

Its offending ... Where is my sword,, Damn you! Go watch some porn and come back when you are done,lols

 

[Telstra]

Its offending ... Where is my sword,, Damn you! Go watch some porn and come back when you are done,lols

offending to whom?
the preachers? yes
muslim people in general (sheep) ? NO.

 

[Kurn]

Islam from the beginning wasn't meant to be violent.

Actually, from the beginning, Islam was quite intentionally violent to non-Muslims.
And, to tell the truth, that hasn't really changed for anyone who believes that the Kur'an is what Muslim Creed says it is.
"Kill the Sinners everywhere you find them!" And being a Christian is a #1 sin! Being pagan or atheist, likewise! I've only read the Koran twice but I've read essays by a number of scholarly ex-Muslims.

 

[TX-Beau]

No no, they are bloodthirsty because "mohammed was"

There were so many quotes to choose from for that, I went with the "Threw out Jesus," because the imagery is priceless. I have this ridiculous image in my head of three men in Mecca tossing Christ into a dumpster.

 

[Thespar]

Watch this video and tell me why I should not fear Islam.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410&q=fitna&ei=nidfSLbSIp7k4AKnt4maDQ&hl=en

 

[Apollo]

Actually, from the beginning, Islam was quite intentionally violent to non-Muslims.
And, to tell the truth, that hasn't really changed for anyone who believes that the Kur'an is what Muslim Creed says it is.
"Kill the Sinners everywhere you find them!" And being a Christian is a #1 sin! Being pagan or atheist, likewise! I've only read the Koran twice but I've read essays by a number of scholarly ex-Muslims.

See I am willing to accept your words more seeing how you have actually read the book.

From what I have learned, Islam accepts other religions and isn't really bothered by them existing.

What happened to that thread Andreus started?

 

[Telstra]

Actually, from the beginning, Islam was quite intentionally violent to non-Muslims.
And, to tell the truth, that hasn't really changed for anyone who believes that the Kur'an is what Muslim Creed says it is.
"Kill the Sinners everywhere you find them!" And being a Christian is a #1 sin! Being pagan or atheist, likewise! I've only read the Koran twice but I've read essays by a number of scholarly ex-Muslims.

never read the koran but this is so wrong. Where is the UN to change the text in the koran and the bible and other religous text which the logical law doesn't agree with.

 

[Apollo]

The UN has no authority in relgious matters as they should not. The UN needs to worry on figureing out how to help the impoverished and sick in Africa and around the world.

 

[Críostóir]

If you want to be picky, neither Christianity nor Islam "causes" homophobia:

1. The proper definition of the word means fear of homosexuals/homosexuality, and in my experience that comes naturally to a lot of people.

2. As far as the extended meaning, of hating/despising homosexuality/homosexuals, neither Islam nor Christianity has that in its own proper texts -- it's imported from the Jewish scriptures (though even there it has to be blown up and expanded to get what the fundies make of it).

3. I don't Christianity causes religious intolerance, because that's just not there in the words of Jesus. But it sure does seem to make good soil for it... or is attractive to people who want to be intolerant...

OK, now you're entering MY turf. The meaning of a word is not its etymology, nor its structure in the source language. And if you took apart the word 'homophobia' that way, it would mean "fear of the same." The word 'homosexual' is itself a grotesque hybrid ("That's awful! It's half Greek and half Latin!" "Sounds good to me!").

The word 'homophobia' was coined by...was it Evelyn Hooker? [looks it up] No, it was George Weinberg. He defined it as "the dread of being in close quarters with homosexuals," then expanded on that, saying it was "a phobia about homosexuals….It was a fear of homosexuals which seemed to be associated with a fear of contagion, a fear of reducing the things one fought for—home and family. It was a religious fear and it had led to great brutality as fear always does" (emphasis added).

So even at its coinage it contained an element of hatred and brutality. But there's more to it than that: words don't keep the same meaning as time goes by. A gourmet is no longer' a little groom ('gromet', influenced by 'gourmand'); a template is no longer a little temple ('templet', spelling influenced by 'plate'). The words 'awful' and 'terrible' are no longer praise for the majestic and terrifying.

And we use the word 'homophobe' to tag our enemies. Partly this is to remind us that their hatred stems from fear; partly this is to belittle them as scaredy-cats, which is important for keeping up our confidence!

Now, you say that in your experience fear of homosexuals and homosexuality comes naturally to a lot of people. What experience do you have of people who have not grown up surrounded by a vastly homophobic culture? It's very hard not to absorb it. How can you decide that something is nature when nurture pounds it into little heads like a pile of pennies being hit with a sledge hammer? I think "you've got to be carefully taught."

Am I correct in assuming that by "[Christianity's] own proper texts," you refer to the actual words of Jesus as quoted in the Gospels, and not other parts of the NT? Because it's certainly there in the words of Paul. And you'd know better than me (we're back on your turf now) but I have heard it said that while Jesus is the central and revered figure in Christianity, it was Paul (very much against Peter) who made Christianity its own separate thing, and something you didn't have to be a Jew to be part of. And as for imports from the Jewish scriptures...didn't Jesus say "I come not to overturn the Law, but to strengthen it"?

 

[TX-Beau]

OK, now you're entering MY turf. The meaning of a word is not its etymology, nor its structure in the source language.

Be careful here, I’m certain he wrote a Term Paper on the subject. Complete with dozens and dozens of pages and footnotes in obscure languages.

LOL