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On-Topic 5 Nations Condemn Israel's Settlement" Plan

You've effectually said that group suspicion/group punishment is acceptable in the case of Palestinians vis-a-vis Israeli policies because of *insert multiple generalizations.*

I don't see why you're backpedalling now and saying you're not for persecuting entire groups based on the possibility that some portion of them might have dangerous ideas or ties to violent groups.
 
And yet you are quick to run to the moderators when overwhelmed with facts

Excuse me I never run to the moderators. I handle my own buisness here and never report to the moderators even when someone has said something terrible to me.
You've effectually said that group suspicion/group punishment is acceptable in the case of Palestinians vis-a-vis Israeli policies because of *insert multiple generalizations.*

I don't see why you're backpedalling now and saying you're not for persecuting entire groups based on the possibility that some portion of them might have dangerous ideas or ties to violent groups.

I specifically said that racial profiling is wrong. Palestinian is an ethnicity not an ideology and there are many Palestinians with different views.

All I am saying is that when people are going through high security measures. Their ideologies as well as if they have links or support terrorism should be known.
 
Well that's easy.

http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Jesus himself like Mohammad supported murdering those who would not accept him as ruler.

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Propagating lies, I see.

I'll start with the claim about Jesus: He was telling a story to make a point. He did not suggest that as a course of action.

*No human sacrifice was ever made to God in the Old Testament.
*None of the examples given in your "rape" link were about rape -- they were about marriage in a fashion common to the times. In actuality they show mercy and honor, because more often captive women were taken as concubines with little more status than sex toys; God required the people to give them the status of wives.
*Virtually all of the "murder" claims are also lies. There are a few cases which seem bizarre to us, and arguably can be called murder.


It's amazing that you pass judgment on things about which you haven't the slightest clue, so you accept and pass on lies from people even more ignorant.

Since you've shown you have no actual knowledge of what you're talking about, and that you both approve of and engage in hate speech, no one here should give the slightest credence to anything you say. Hateful people who speak from bigotry with no knowledge should be ignored -- commonly they're called trolls, and you just qualified.
 
Israel is the one trying to wipe out Palestine and has almost succeeded and yet here you are saying the Palestinians are the bad ones because they want to wipe out Israel. Big difference between wanting to do something and actually doing it. Israel has done it despite the complaints of many in the international community.

You dont see the Palestinians as a people on their own who are fighting for their land you are obsessed with proxy wars where the Arab world is using Palestine as a pawn against Israel. You also think Palestine = Hamas which is obviously every shallow observation. I told you in another thread it is not in the interests of Israel to have peace in the Middle East, they wont be able to steal land that way. If Israel was such a civilized country with well meaning intentions why wont they allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect their nuclear weapons. And yet they expect Iran to submit to the same

Israel and USA have a long history of aggression and mass violence against other countries, Iran on the other hand has very little if any. Is this all because other countries are envious of those two? Or those two like to meddle where they shouldn't.
 
Propagating lies, I see.

I'll start with the claim about Jesus: He was telling a story to make a point. He did not suggest that as a course of action.

*No human sacrifice was ever made to God in the Old Testament.
*None of the examples given in your "rape" link were about rape -- they were about marriage in a fashion common to the times. In actuality they show mercy and honor, because more often captive women were taken as concubines with little more status than sex toys; God required the people to give them the status of wives.
*Virtually all of the "murder" claims are also lies. There are a few cases which seem bizarre to us, and arguably can be called murder.


It's amazing that you pass judgment on things about which you haven't the slightest clue, so you accept and pass on lies from people even more ignorant.

Since you've shown you have no actual knowledge of what you're talking about, and that you both approve of and engage in hate speech, no one here should give the slightest credence to anything you say. Hateful people who speak from bigotry with no knowledge should be ignored -- commonly they're called trolls, and you just qualified.

Actually human sacrifice was common not just to Yahweh but to many gods in the Middle Eastern religion.
http://www.satan4u.8m.com/history/priests.html

Next forcing women into marriages classifies as a form of rape. Mohammad in Islam forcibly married and raped the Jewish woman Safiyah. If you consider what Mohammad did to be rape then what the Hebrews did qualifies as well. Plus many verses speak of taking women as sex slaves.

Moses here even supports infanticide as well as outright genocide of the Midianites.

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.


Next I never said I approve of all hate speech morally, however certain groups and ideologies deserve hatred. What I said was that hate speech should be legal and not a criminal offense as some of the countries you mentioned were

You like most LGBT Christians white wash and try to make the Bible more palatible for modern people. You are not the only ones who do this however. Many Muslims try to skew the Quran to make it look peaceful as well.
Israel is the one trying to wipe out Palestine and has almost succeeded and yet here you are saying the Palestinians are the bad ones because they want to wipe out Israel. Big difference between wanting to do something and actually doing it. Israel has done it despite the complaints of many in the international community.

You dont see the Palestinians as a people on their own who are fighting for their land you are obsessed with proxy wars where the Arab world is using Palestine as a pawn against Israel. You also think Palestine = Hamas which is obviously every shallow observation. I told you in another thread it is not in the interests of Israel to have peace in the Middle East, they wont be able to steal land that way. If Israel was such a civilized country with well meaning intentions why wont they allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect their nuclear weapons. And yet they expect Iran to submit to the same

Israel and USA have a long history of aggression and mass violence against other countries, Iran on the other hand has very little if any. Is this all because other countries are envious of those two? Or those two like to meddle where they shouldn't.

Israel is not trying to wipe out Palestine. The Israelis have at many times tried to make peace with the Palestinians but the Palestinians have refused because they want war and blood. Also you proved nothing about it being better for Israel to have war. Israel suffers greatly because they have war and lose many of their people. They are at constant threat of being blown away by their Muslim neighbors. Plus Israel has actually sent numerous ammounts of aid to Palestine which has all been confiscated by Hamas. Israel has the right to take the land of a nation that is choosing to war with them. The Palestinians could have had peace and their own country long ago but they refuse because they want war.

As for Israel and nukes I support Israel having nukes as they need them to protect themselves. However third world despotisms like Iran certainly should not have nukes as the Iranians have made it clear that they want to overtake the world for their brand of Shia Islam. Iran also has had problems with many nations after they became under control of the Islamists. Israel and the USA are free secular nations who do not go looking for violence. However gay murdering, anti semetic and intolerant of other religions Iran has made it clear that their goal is to Islamize the world. It is clear that you like most Liberals are in support of third world despotisms, that kill gays, Jews, disbelivers and treat their people barbarically so long as they are Muslims.
 
Israel is not trying to wipe out Palestine. The Israelis have at many times tried to make peace with the Palestinians but the Palestinians have refused because they want war and blood.

Mariatenbre, you need to take a closer look at American history.

There are many Native American tribes which to this day maintain that no treaty (or at least no honored one by the U.S. government) legally ceded their land. The U.S. is still trying to get the Lakota to cash a check in exchange for like the 19th century value of stealing the Black Hills and the Lakota refuse to do it.

In your reasoning it would be because "they want war and blood." In reality it's because cashing that check would be legitimizing the theft of their land, legally. They will never do it.

Is it really so hard to imagine that maybe similar considerations are at work here beyond just irrational wide-eyed insanity and wanting to put Israelis on spears?
 
Maria, repeating the same lies does you no good.

But BTW, I learned to read the Bible as a conservative Christian. Conservative principles of exegesis are what I apply in exposing your lies, nothing else.


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What is particularly upsetting about settlements in Israel is that once these buildings are put in place, you create permanent Jewish residencies that will not be removed. Of course this is going to upset the Palestinians because it makes them feel like they're being enclosed and bred out.

I'm sure the settlers will do fine under their new government when the lands are returned to Palestinian governance.
 
^Such a shame on that pic. Those are some birth baby hips there.
 
Israel is not trying to wipe out Palestine.

Really so why are they building settlements in Palestinian land? Why were they opposed to Palestine being recognized as an observer state by the UN? Thirty years ago Israeli political leaders, including some of the most noted hawks, submitted to Prime Minister Begin a shocking and detailed account of how settlers regularly abuse Palestinians in the most depraved manner and with total impunity. The prominent military-political analyst Yoram Peri (Israeli) wrote with disgust that the army’s task is not to defend the state, but “to demolish the rights of innocent people just because they are Araboushim (“niggers,” “kikes”) living in territories that God promised to us.”

Israel suffers greatly because they have war and lose many of their people. They are at constant threat of being blown away by their Muslim neighbors.

Really I don't see a Hamas air force bombing Israel but I do see Israel bombing Palestinian civilians and Hamas shooting rockets to dissuade the occupation and theft of Palestinian land. I don't see Israel losing thousands of lives due to war but I do see it in Gaza. Israel uses people in settlements as human bargaining chips. If they cared so much for their safety they would not encourage them to live in Palestinian land

Plus Israel has actually sent numerous ammounts of aid to Palestine which has all been confiscated by Hamas.

Israel prevents Gaza fishermen from complete freedom to fish in Gazan territorial waters. They don't want aid they want freedom to make their own food. They are compelled to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of US-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems that they destroyed. Israel permits concrete to enter for UNRWA projects, but not for Gazans engaged in the huge reconstruction needs. The limited heavy equipment mostly lies idle, since Israel does not permit materials for repair. All of this is part of the general program described by Israeli official Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, after Palestinians failed to follow orders in the 2006 elections: “The idea,” he said, “is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.” . In the Khan Yunis hospital, the director, who is also chief of surgery, describes with anger and passion how even medicines are lacking for relief of suffering patients, as well as simple surgical equipment, leaving doctors helpless and patients in agony.

Israel has the right to take the land of a nation that is choosing to war with them.

Shortly before the outbreak of the Intifada a Palestinian girl, Intissar al-Atar, was shot and killed in a schoolyard by a resident of a nearby Jewish settlement. He was one of the several thousand Israelis settlers brought to Gaza in violation of international law and protected by a huge army presence, taking over much of the land and scarce water of the Strip and living “lavishly in twenty-two settlements in the midst of 1.4 million destitute Palestinians,”The murderer of the schoolgirl, Shimon Yifrah, was arrested, but quickly released on bail when the Court determined that “the offense is not severe enough” to warrant detention. The judge commented that Yifrah only intended to shock the girl by firing his gun at her in a schoolyard, not to kill her, so “this is not a case of a criminal person who has to be punished, deterred, and taught a lesson by imprisoning him.” Yifrah was given a 7-month suspended sentence, while settlers in the courtroom broke out in song and dance.


The Palestinians could have had peace and their own country long ago but they refuse because they want war.

Their own country along which borders? The devil is always in the detail which you conveniently ignore. In 2008 a truce was established between Israel and Hamas. The Israeli government formally recognizes that Hamas observed it fully. Not a single Hamas rocket was fired until Israel broke the truce under cover of the US election on November 4 2008, invading Gaza on ludicrous grounds and killing half a dozen Hamas members. The Israeli government was advised by its highest intelligence officials that the truce could be renewed by easing the criminal blockade and ending military attacks. But the government of Ehud Olmert, reputedly a dove, chose to reject these options, preferring to resort to its huge comparative advantage in violence: Operation Cast Lead. The basic facts are reviewed once again by foreign policy analyst Jerome Slater in the current issue of the Harvard-MIT journal International Security.The pattern of bombing under Cast Lead was carefully analyzed by the highly informed and internationally respected Gazan human rights advocate Raji Sourani. He points out that the bombing was concentrated in the north, targeting defenseless civilians in the most densely populated areas, with no possible military pretext. The goal, he suggests, may have been to drive the intimidated population to the south, near the Egyptian border. But the Samidin stayed put, despite the avalanche of US-Israeli terror.

Israel and the USA are free secular nations who do not go looking for violence.

Nentanyahu has made it clear time and time again that Israel is a Jewish state so you are obviously wrong here. What rock are you leaving under.

We must end the terrorism, racism and ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by Israel. The playing field is obviously not level.The people of Palestine are strategically terrorised by the most powerful military in the Middle East
 
its all been justified because a " god " told them it was their land , sounds fair to me
 
its all been justified because a " god " told them it was their land , sounds fair to me

Many Palestinians claim Israel is Islamic land, including Hamas.

What makes either side right? I don't get why only the Jews get picked on for the "God" argument.
 
Many Palestinians claim Israel is Islamic land, including Hamas.

What makes either side right? I don't get why only the Jews get picked on for the "God" argument.

The double standard offends me frankly that someone doing violence under a thin religious pretext with a makeshift rocket launcher is a 'terrorist' (with all the attached freedom to overreact, over-retaliate and conduct collective punishment and crackdowns) but someone doing the same thing with a first-world military is just "defending their state/right to exist."
 
I was pleased to read yesterday that Canada has formally objected to the building of more settlements.
 
Thank you AngolaZee for writing something so coherent and truthful. I wish more on here were so well read thoughtful on topics.
 
Many Palestinians claim Israel is Islamic land, including Hamas.

What makes either side right? I don't get why only the Jews get picked on for the "God" argument.

Because it's much more common for Jews to think it's their land, their land alone to rule.

Christians and Muslims on the other hand are more likely to believe it belongs to all three religions.
 
Because it's much more common for Jews to think it's their land, their land alone to rule.

Christians and Muslims on the other hand are more likely to believe it belongs to all three religions.

Christians more so -- though there's the weird streak of Christians who are more fanatic about it all belonging to the Jews than all but the most extreme among the Jews in Israel.
 
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