50 Most Loathsome People of 2008

[Kulindahr]

Who smoke pot.

Goldwater would not have objected. He gave support to medical marijuana measures as a step to just getting the law out of the way of personal pleasures.

 

[MystikWizard]

How on Earth did Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter not make that list, out of 50 people? Unbelievable.

 

[NickCole]

The really need to form a new party. True conservatives don't have a party any more. The Democrats are conservative by any reasonable standard, but won't admit it, and a few of them are actually liberal. The Republican Party has become a stinking midden where true conservatives suffocate in the effluvia of right-wing ideologues, as I've said before. Even if that stopped being true, its reputation for thugocracy (e.g. the past eight years) will not be so easy to get rid of.

True, and although you don't actually say it, you make the point: liberals don't have a party anymore either.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

^^ I could understand Ann Coulter, but not O'Reilly. My dad actually bought me his Bold Fresh book for Christmas, and it's rather entertaining. For those who are so quick to judge him, it's a good read. You actually learn who he is and what he's about, instead of assuming. The book is a comical read. Pretty humorous guy.

 

[EwanSF]

No, the guy's a queer-hating nazi cunt, sorry.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

LMFAO. Love when the uneducated speak without reason.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

LMFAO.

"My Daddy isn't so bad even though he bought me a book by someone who hates me.. it's a funny read."

At least I'm open-minded enough to reading such books before passing judgement. For someone who hates me, he's pretty supportive of everything but gay marriage.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Hm. Well I've read a Bill O'Reilly book and it was just the same crap you read in An Coulter books, just didn't sound as much like bile from a drunken drag queen. You don't have to be "open-minded" to see that, but maybe you need to see that gift for what it really was.

I've read all of his books with the exclusion of the children's books. I've read excerpts from Coulter's books, and in my opinion, O'Reilly's it's nowhere near that repulsive and offensive and "hey look at what I'm saying for attention!"

I can't imagine a parent who'd give you a Bill O'Reilly book for Christmas, knowing that he has a gay son. That's the most passive-aggressive thing I can think of short of giving you a membership to Exodus.

My parents are pretty much "as long as I don't see it, I don't care" type of people. They're not truly okay with it, but as long as they don't have to see it, it's whatever to them. They have always been Republican, and my mother's father was a Methodist Minister. Both of my grandmothers, however, are democrats. My entire family, with the exclusion of them, are Republican. So you can only imagine the type of shit I do put up with. But, that's for my "I wanna write a novel" days lol.
I've always found him to be an interesting character, because sometimes he shows a bias, and sometimes he does not. In one of the chapters of 'Bold Fresh,' he talks about far right lunacy and how it made him disinterested in politics growing up. So I wouldn't definitively call him a Republican by any means. I would go as far to say, however, that he leans right on a lot of issues, and then some, not so much.
My dad knew that I had read his other books, so he naturally figured I'd enjoy the new read. Whether there was any hidden thought or message behind it, I'm unsure of, but I wouldn't rule out either.

And my parents not only support gay marriage, they were pissed when we wouldn't renew our vows when they visited LA since they couldn't be there the first time we did it.

I'm not as lucky. I'm surrounded by a brother who, everytime we're around each other, likes to endlessly preach about spirituality and enlightenment and religion and all of that crap. So, no support there. My parents are very deep into their close-minded views, but considering my brother was the trouble maker, my sister was the psychotic suicidal whore, and I'm the gay "you probably won't amount to anything" son, we've managed to slowly but surely drag them into the 21st century. And not a score too late!
The more my mother indulged in the culture of homosexuality, whether it be Mark on Ugly Betty or watching Ellen, she slowly eases up on it. When my dad's around, she pretty much goes with whatever he thinks. But by herself, she's pretty excepting as of late.
ANYWHORE, so yeah, I just enjoy reading his books. I'm open to reading anything. I love military books, war books, anything to do with Presidents and history, and of course, politics.
I'm actually thinking of buying The Audacity Of Hope sometime soon. I just like reading, regardless of the point of view.

 

[HenryReardon]

^^ I could understand Ann Coulter, but not O'Reilly. My dad actually bought me his Bold Fresh book for Christmas, and it's rather entertaining. For those who are so quick to judge him, it's a good read. You actually learn who he is and what he's about, instead of assuming. The book is a comical read. Pretty humorous guy.

What does everyone in here have against Ann Coulter?

She tells it as she sees it, and that's a rare thing these days, and she is not too far off the mark at times.

I haven't read her books, but back when I was watching tv (haven't done so for 11 months) I saw her being interviewed more than once. I kind of liked it the time the despicable Chris Matthews tried to sandbag her with an on-air telephone call from Mrs. John Edwards. Coulter handled herself and the situation rather well.

So she called John Edwards a faggot? So what? If we, as a group, have lost the ability to laugh at ourselves, that doesn't say anything positive about us, does it?

Civilized adults should be able to laugh at very nearly anything (or anyone) - within the limits of good taste.

 

[NickCole]

So she called John Edwards a faggot? So what? If we, as a group, have lost the ability to laugh at ourselves, that doesn't say anything positive about us, does it?

Civilized adults should be able to laugh at very nearly anything (or anyone) - within the limits of good taste.

Not that that's the part that bothered me, but since you mention it, calling John Edwards a faggot was not in good taste.

 

[HenryReardon]

Not that that's the part that bothered me, but since you mention it, calling John Edwards a faggot was not in good taste.

Probably not, but again so what. Do we have free speech in this country or not?

 

[HenryReardon]

She says obnoxious, mean-spirited things to get press. NOBODY sees it like she says it.

Um.. Ann Coulter isn't one of us, so this is a case of "smearing someone by saying they're one of us." I didn't see any laughing at anyone.

It sounds as though you don't live in the real world A great many hard working men and women in this country see many things exactly as she sees them.

"Isn't one of us?" Again so what? Are we back to the old saw - a black man can use the "n" word but a white man cannot? We should have evolved well beyond that by now.

Again, free speech is free speech - as long as one does not yell "Fire" in a crowded theater. Nothing in the amendment says that the free speech in question has to be in good taste, or for that matter, accurate.

The alternative is censorship.

Someone once famously said "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." It's one of the thingts that makes this country great.

 

[NickCole]

Probably not, but again so what. Do we have free speech in this country or not?

You're the one who said, "Civilized adults should be able to laugh at very nearly anything (or anyone) - within the limits of good taste."

You set the limit at "good taste" at 2:52pm and by 5:00 you dismissed your own limit with "so what?" That's very fast hypocrisy. Good for you.

 

[HenryReardon]

You're the one who said, "Civilized adults should be able to laugh at very nearly anything (or anyone) - within the limits of good taste."

You set the limit at "good taste" at 2:52pm and by 5:00 you dismissed your own limit with "so what?" That's very fast hypocrisy. Good for you.

That didn't make a lot of sense.

Question - Do you laugh when you watch a screening of "Blazing Saddles?"

 

[HenryReardon]

I don't recall anyone being called "Faggot" with a negative connotation in Blazing Saddles.

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You don't think the phrase "dancing around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots" has a negative connotation?

Maybe your just being disingenuous.

 

[HenryReardon]

She can say whatever she wants. And I can call her a filthy floor-licking cunt if I want as well.

In a free society, everyone is absolutely free to display the depths of their ignorance. Absolutely.

That being said, it's just words, and words have the power to offend ONLY if we allow them to do so.

 

[NickCole]

Question - Do you laugh when you watch a screening of "Blazing Saddles?"

I did in the 1970s when it came out and I was a teen and we all got high before going. Cracked up at cowboys farting. Probably today it wouldn't strike me as hilarious. But not because I'm offended.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Meh.

I'm nobody's dirty little secret and I don't live to placate anyone else's problems.

Take me as I am or take a hike.

And like I've said before, they introduce my husband to people as their son in law. As long as you think giving your son a book by someone who's been vicious to the gay community is a "Whatever" gesture, I guess you're happy with your place in your family. I can't save everyone.

In what ways has he been vicious to the gay community? I never really cared what he thought, but I've never heard him say anything other than he doesn't support gay marriage and that some of the things protesters were doing around the country who were in favor of gay marriage was disgraceful, which, a lot of it was. So, I'm actually curious to know what all he's said that was vicious.

 

[Kulindahr]

really?

I'm not going to bother really going into it. Here's a little reading for you.

Consider it a late Christmas Present from Uncle Soil.

Freaking out about Gays being "allowed" to mingle with straight families...

http://www.queerty.com/bill-orelly-seeks-gay-segregation-20070712/

Attacking two gay teenagers who were voted "cutest couple" in their high school.

http://www.queerty.com/bill-oreilly-takes-on-gay-high-schoolers-20071109/

There's lots and lots and lots more. But it's Friday and I wanna go home.

By O'Reilly's logic, back a few generations ago people shouldn't have been allowed to announce that they were Catholic.

He's an idiot sometimes.

 

[Críostóir]

Probably not, but again so what. Do we have free speech in this country or not?

Has anyone said Coulter should be suppressed by law? Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism.

I hope she gets her face burned off in a tragic accident, and lives for 90 more years with one damaged eye, so that she can only barely see her hideously disfigured face. And she keeps her ears...you know the rest.

That's MY free speech.