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hazaleyez1975

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If you commit Suicide will you go to hell? I was raised in assembly of God church and It is just a question that is on my mind? What makes it a Sin? and isn't a sin a sin in the eyes of GOD? Just a few questions.

Thanks for you responses in advance

Hazal:confused:
 
My belief is if you commit suicide you are just dead, forever, no second chances, no more anything.....same as when you die. The difference is the pain, hurt, distress and shame you leave your loved ones to deal with. Cruel and cowardly.
 
I don't believe anyone goes to hell for committing suicide, because I don't believe there is any kind of hell to go to.

I do believe that someone who commits suicide is giving up the last chance to make a difference, to care for someone, to make the world easier for someone else.

Are you thinking about the philosophy of suicide, or do you know someone who might be thinking of doing it?
 
I have always been taught in church and my family tat suicide is sinful. In Christianity, a follower's body is God's sanctuary and should not be disrespected in any way.
 
People who commit suicide can be so distraught or depressed that I don't think they rationalize their action. I think they were not of sound mind and shouldn't be judged.
 
^ Yeah, I've been "hurting depressed" & "just not there." Attempted suicide several times but, like they say, it's not easily done. That was 12 years ago and a great phychiatrist has kept me well. Lately blue due to forced move coming up, work pressures and people taking me for money. However, I'm wotking things out one day at a time.
 
What if that help does not help you. What if all you do is not enough? You try and try and it has seemed like the last 33 years of your life has been nothing more than an existance here. I have been through so much shit in my life that half of the people here would be in a psych ward already. I know there is always someone off alot worse than you. I am greatful I have not took the step to do this. I am seeing a psych now and the changes in meds are very tramatic at least to put it. Have any of you ever felt like every move you make is going to be wrong or be some huge disaster. I know this sounds like a "pity Party" or one of those fake posts i have read it over and over. It is real and these are feelingsthat I am having to work on those. Thank you for you help.
 
trobert said:
People who commit suicide can be so distraught or depressed that I don't think they rationalize their action. I think they were not of sound mind and shouldn't be judged.
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That's a good point. Not only is the person in the right state of mind, but the act within itself, if the person doesn't succeed, will leave the person emotionally scarred. Turet me I know, I tired suicide in the past. No, I won't ever do it again, but I think I have been left with some trauma, even though it's been almost 11 years ago.
 
bw92116 said:
What about physician-assisted suicide though? What if you are in such intense pain and the disease is incurable and unstoppable that you just want out of it, even if that means dying? Is that a sin? Three times so far I have had to have one of my cats euthanized, when they had an incurable disease and were suffering. Although it was very difficult to do, I don't think of it as a sin. I certainly would not want to prolong my own life if I was suffering, in pain, and there was no cure or hope of ever regaining my health.
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These are hard questions to answer. I would have to bring a bible out and quote some verses from it. The bible says that anything that desecrates the human body is considered sinful. I think that, even in this situation, it would still be sinful. God has a reason for everything that happens in the universe, even if you get incurably sick. Such an illness could be looked at as a test of faith for a christian. If the patient gave up and opted to be released, then he would have failed that test. Does that make any sense? it is important for a christian to maintain faith in the lord, even in the face of pain, sickness, and suffering.
 
vamp said:
These are hard questions to answer. I would have to bring a bible out and quote some verses from it. The bible says that anything that desecrates the human body is considered sinful. I think that, even in this situation, it would still be sinful. God has a reason for everything that happens in the universe, even if you get incurably sick. Such an illness could be looked at as a test of faith for a christian. If the patient gave up and opted to be released, then he would have failed that test. Does that make any sense? it is important for a christian to maintain faith in the lord, even in the face of pain, sickness, and suffering.
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There is the ideal and then there is the reality, that the person in pain is suffering.

No one is in a position to know the mind of God, when we recognise that God's purpose might well be served, by the suffering human person ending his or her journey as their means to acknowledge their humanity.

Imperfection is the lot of all human life, and to this end we must all acknowledge our weaknesses.

The Father never judges His children, but rather asks us to do our best according to our understandings. The perfectly, perfect human person is an ideal that we all fail to achieve.
 
kallipolis said:
There is the ideal and then there is the reality, that the person in pain is suffering.

No one is in a position to know the mind of God, when we recognise that God's purpose might well be served, by the suffering human person ending his or her journey as their means to acknowledge their humanity.

Imperfection is the lot of all human life, and to this end we must all acknowledge our weaknesses.

The Father never judges His children, but rather asks us to do our best according to our understandings. The perfectly, perfect human person is an ideal that we all fail to achieve.
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It's true, we're not in a position to know the mindset of God. The only way that we have to somewhat understand what God truly wants is to stud the bible and interpret its meanings. The thoughts on suicide are the interpretations I have made. Who knows, maybe someone could come up with another one that makes better sense than mine. All we can do, as Christians, is live our lives as pure and good as possible. I know no one is perfect, that is one of the whole points of studying Christianity and living as loyal Chrsitians, to become as pure as possible. I believe that God has a plan for all of us and the time of our deaths is not to be determined by us. God will call one of his followers when HE is ready, not when we're ready. To end our lives before God intends, is sinful. That's what I believe.
 
vamp said:
It's true, we're not in a position to know the mindset of God. The only way that we have to somewhat understand what God truly wants is to stud the bible and interpret its meanings. The thoughts on suicide are the interpretations I have made. Who knows, maybe someone could come up with another one that makes better sense than mine. All we can do, as Christians, is live our lives as pure and good as possible. I know no one is perfect, that is one of the whole points of studying Christianity and living as loyal Chrsitians, to become as pure as possible. I believe that God has a plan for all of us and the time of our deaths is not to be determined by us. God will call one of his followers when HE is ready, not when we're ready. To end our lives before God intends, is sinful. That's what I believe.
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With some 30,000 registered Christian denominations in the USA it is clear that different, and differing opinions arising from personal interpretation of Holy Scripture will not reveal the mind of God. Rather, more confusion.

The Father speaks to us through His Spirit. Let the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. Heaven lives within human life. Listen too, and follow the voice of the interior person.

No one is a position to judge the actions of another as sinful.
 
kallipolis said:
With some 30,000 registered Christian denominations in the USA it is clear that different, and differing opinions arising from personal interpretation of Holy Scripture will not reveal the mind of God. Rather, more confusion.

The Father speaks to us through His Spirit. Let the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth. Heaven lives within human life. Listen too, and follow the voice of the interior person.

No one is a position to judge the actions of another as sinful.
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That's true, but what I was saying is that christians should make their own interpretations of the scriptures and follow that. As long as your interpretation is sensible and good natured, it should be fine. Every christian, however, should understand the basic rules (i.e. the ten commandments and Jesus's teaching in the gospels). As far as your statement on how people should judge other people's actions, you're right. Paul, the original christian missionary, said, in the book of Romans, "Don't judge lest ye be judge". It is God's place to judge that actions of people, not ours. It's a shame that the radical, homophobic fanatics can't learn that. :rolleyes:
 
hazaleyez1975 said:
What if that help does not help you. What if all you do is not enough? You try and try and it has seemed like the last 33 years of your life has been nothing more than an existance here. I have been through so much shit in my life that half of the people here would be in a psych ward already. I know there is always someone off alot worse than you. I am greatful I have not took the step to do this. I am seeing a psych now and the changes in meds are very tramatic at least to put it. Have any of you ever felt like every move you make is going to be wrong or be some huge disaster. I know this sounds like a "pity Party" or one of those fake posts i have read it over and over. It is real and these are feelingsthat I am having to work on those. Thank you for you help.
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It doesn't sound fake. There are so many things in your post and I hope my answer doesn't ramble too much because I want to answer all of it.

What do you do if the help doesn't work? First of all, a lot of people here probably have been in a psych ward, but it is hard to get people to mention it. If you need a doctor to cure your tuberculosis, great. If you need a doctor to treat your diabetes, great. But if you need a doctor to treat your mental health, too many people think it is your fault. The same people who would send you a get well soon card if you had a broken leg would sometimes react with juvenile fear if they hear about a mental illness, and that's not right, and it doesn't help. If you know someone like that, let those people stop being your friend because you don't need them.

Despite some people's attitudes, it is good that you're going for help anyway. It is also smart to find other kinds of support, not just medical. Life can't be one big doctor's appointment all the time. It is good to have other kinds of help, and other things to do. I'm glad you posted this issue here because more people need to think about it.

And yes, I've felt like anything I could ever do would be a disaster.

Eventually I learned to be okay with disasters. I learned to not care if I made the wrong move. Well, maybe it's wrong to say I don't care about my actions because I do. But I will give myself a break if I try to accomplish something and it doesn't work. I just got so tired of fearing the wrong move that I gave up worrying out of exhaustion. I realized I didn't have the energy to please everyone 100% all the time. Including myself, btw..

I hope you keep working at it until you find the way to be at ease with your life, and just enjoy the day. But even that, you can't work at all the time. Sometimes instead of figuring out how to be at peace with everything in your life, you just have to go for a walk instead, and think about it later.

Take care and write back because I'm sure people are interested.
 
You should check out Alice Miller's website:

As far as what happens after suicide, no one really knows. Various religions act like they have the answers, but there is no proof.

However, it seems pretty clear to me that this life has a distinct purpose, and it has to do with learning and experience. Suicide ends all of that. I can't imagine that there aren't repercussions if anything happens after this life.

I used to contemplate suicide, but since learning about freedom, I have overcome depression. Without the use of drugs.

I think Alice Miller may have the key to a lot of what you're dealing with. Good luck.
 
Maybe James Van Praagh, a renowned writer and channel, can give us an answer that might give us perspective(s) on the issue.
 
Thank you all for your help. It has actually lifted my spirits to see that you guys took the time to support me and help offer advice to deal with these things. Thank you all so much,

Praying for better days!
 
hazaleyez1975 said:
If you commit Suicide will you go to hell? I was raised in assembly of God church and It is just a question that is on my mind? What makes it a Sin? and isn't a sin a sin in the eyes of GOD? Just a few questions.

Thanks for you responses in advance

Hazal:confused:
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In liturgical Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, 'main-stream' Protestant) suicide, or the 'sin of despair', was considered a 'mortal' sin, perhaps the mortal sin, as it was believed to represent the abandonment of all faith in Divine Providence. Until quite recently, suicides were denied church funerals, could not be buried in consecrated ground, etc. Since the advent of understanding of mental illness as something other than moral degradation or demonic possession, the Church has revisited their position on suicied, though reluctantly I feel.
 
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