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Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy
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Of course, the fact that there is a person on the internet called jobezee1 doesn't prove that the current human FAIL is that person.
TX-Beau
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Oh I think we're way beyond that now.
You know, everyone, this is actually wisdom. Let's ignore the racist and move on.
ETA: Wish I'd said that BEFORE he was banned.
Hellax24
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Cool. I should have reported him earlier. But now i know the button works. Once he said the N-Word i was over it. Lata loser.
CXXX
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Not sure what you mean. It DOES say 'banned' under his name. Did you think his posts should be deleted? I thought it was a good thing that they weren't, so we can point to them next time someone says there's no racism in the gay community.
attallaborn
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Re: Active Duty update thread
Lol Oh YEAH
That sounds like the perfect solution and would be such a hot scene. But after reading all the posts, you simply can't find a definite solution to explain the tats or prove that this is all a hateful-filled attempt, by the model and or Active Duty, to promote and or accept hate.
Givin life and all the circumstances that comes with it, there could be a multitude of reasons why this guy decided to get those tatoos. One or two Nazi tatoos could have been a mistake, but three or more including a huge English script [ The Evil Within ] definitely suggests to us that he knew what the tats stood for.
In my experience, I have met guys with Swastika and KKK tatoos inked on their knuckles and other visible places. They had been working at gas stations or other low paying jobs at the time. When I asked them "why" they would get such ugly and offensive tatoos in visible places, many responded that they had gotten the tatoos while incarcerated [ prison or jail ] as a means of protection and had no other choice.
If you do some research, instead of placing blame, many men who go to prison have to conform to gangs or other groups to avoid being killed or exploited. White men, in particular, usually join White supremacist groups for protection. In many cases, the new members have to get several tatoos to prove their loyalty and display to other groups that they have earned protection. There is no telling the true age or "Axl" as that probably isn't even his real name. Maybe he did some time and had to join a group to protect his little "ass" from being torn to pieces. Obviously he likes it, as scene in his recent scene. Like a poster mentioned before, White supreme fuck each other everyday in prison which dispels the hypocrisy they spew- which remains me of many exposed Congressmen ..lol
Again, a lot of unanswered questions still remain. Being that this is a business, this could be negative or positive for Active Duty. Dink doesn't owe anyone an explanation or apology, considering it shouldn't matter what models do in their personal lives and that it's a business and he only in it to make money. On the other hand, maybe he should look to his audience and consider that 99.1% of them are gay and maybe 80% of them could be very offended and turned off by what they perceive as HATE advertisement.
Ending, in my opinion, this wouldn't be much of an issue, at all, if Active Duty had previously used BLACK or visibly ethnic models in the past. From what I've seen, they have not used ONE Black actor but this could be a preference by the company to only use Caucasian models ( Latinos are still Caucasian) instead of other minorities. Even Bel Ami has used Black models and this does not look good for AC. I admit that it may be hard to find Black military types to do gay porn, and that it may be especially hard to find hot Black men to do porn at all- I see hundreds of beautiful black men around the city but see non that are attractive in porn. What would lay this to rest would be to have the little Nazi's brains fucked out by three 6'6, jet black, massively hung black sailors. Geez, I'd even pay to see that.
Lol Oh YEAH
That sounds like the perfect solution and would be such a hot scene. But after reading all the posts, you simply can't find a definite solution to explain the tats or prove that this is all a hateful-filled attempt, by the model and or Active Duty, to promote and or accept hate.
Givin life and all the circumstances that comes with it, there could be a multitude of reasons why this guy decided to get those tatoos. One or two Nazi tatoos could have been a mistake, but three or more including a huge English script [ The Evil Within ] definitely suggests to us that he knew what the tats stood for.
In my experience, I have met guys with Swastika and KKK tatoos inked on their knuckles and other visible places. They had been working at gas stations or other low paying jobs at the time. When I asked them "why" they would get such ugly and offensive tatoos in visible places, many responded that they had gotten the tatoos while incarcerated [ prison or jail ] as a means of protection and had no other choice.
If you do some research, instead of placing blame, many men who go to prison have to conform to gangs or other groups to avoid being killed or exploited. White men, in particular, usually join White supremacist groups for protection. In many cases, the new members have to get several tatoos to prove their loyalty and display to other groups that they have earned protection. There is no telling the true age or "Axl" as that probably isn't even his real name. Maybe he did some time and had to join a group to protect his little "ass" from being torn to pieces. Obviously he likes it, as scene in his recent scene. Like a poster mentioned before, White supreme fuck each other everyday in prison which dispels the hypocrisy they spew- which remains me of many exposed Congressmen ..lol
Again, a lot of unanswered questions still remain. Being that this is a business, this could be negative or positive for Active Duty. Dink doesn't owe anyone an explanation or apology, considering it shouldn't matter what models do in their personal lives and that it's a business and he only in it to make money. On the other hand, maybe he should look to his audience and consider that 99.1% of them are gay and maybe 80% of them could be very offended and turned off by what they perceive as HATE advertisement.
Ending, in my opinion, this wouldn't be much of an issue, at all, if Active Duty had previously used BLACK or visibly ethnic models in the past. From what I've seen, they have not used ONE Black actor but this could be a preference by the company to only use Caucasian models ( Latinos are still Caucasian) instead of other minorities. Even Bel Ami has used Black models and this does not look good for AC. I admit that it may be hard to find Black military types to do gay porn, and that it may be especially hard to find hot Black men to do porn at all- I see hundreds of beautiful black men around the city but see non that are attractive in porn. What would lay this to rest would be to have the little Nazi's brains fucked out by three 6'6, jet black, massively hung black sailors. Geez, I'd even pay to see that.
Hellax24
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Many posts showing Dink's core audience in the form of (Jebezee1) by proving a point i was trying to make that scratch just below the surface and how the hate is there with all it's vile nastiness that cannot go without being addressed.
What is not amazing is that posters like you,Ninja that want to wave this whole issue away and not give it the full attention it so desperately needs. Racism & Bigotry in our community. It seems to be unimportant to many of you and yet want to be enraged that you are not afforded the same rights as Heterosexuals.You cry discrimination yet, so many practice it on a daily bases. Whatever morals or values you have as Gay men fly right out the window when you see a young, fresh and dumb model who is willing to do it all in front of a camera so that those same people can get off. When a matter of hate imagery on a tattoo'd good looking porn model people cannot wait to make excuses and even ignore facts of what these tattoo's mean on different sites whose purpose is to educate people of what these symbols mean in our society.
It's too bad that so many posts got deleted, because they showed the inner workings of a racist's mind (such as it was). It also showed Dink's core members and who Dink strives to please. When it comes to enlightening people and changing their minds in terms of prejudice in porn usually gets lost in translation because all people want to do is get off to hot guys. However, there is the factor that by seeing more diverse casts in movies or web scenes shows their sexual attractiveness which many may not have associated with Men Of Color. Showing the sexual provocativeness and allure of Men of Color helps those that may have limited exposure to Men of color and have only formed their sexual identity on what was around them I.E. predominately white and rural communities.
In those communities it starts on a basic level of not being able to interact with people of color. Sometimes the only information they have to go on is what they are taught(Good or Bad) from their families and the media that doesn't always show us in a favorable light. So sticking to what they know and not making an effort to meet any people of color further distances ourselves from one another. Jobezee1 is a perfect example of someone who wanted to stay ignorant and not grow as a human being. Someone who paints any Person Of Color negatively and continues to be bigoted although he is gay and there are many homphobes that target him for being gay. t
The same things he bragged and so proud of doing to AF-AM's during a race riot while in prison there are people out there that would love to do the same thing to him for being gay. Yet, he doesn't make the connection about this possibility. I guess his self loathing blinds him to these facts.
I like watching all types of porn and know where to find All, Black, all Latino, all Asian etc. But for Dink to take it this far, by hiring and continue to employ a model who has racist views and wants everyone to know it shows us yet again that he holds (to an extent) his own personal views about Men of Color in porn and in society itself. I wonder if Dink supports gays in the military or does he only care about the str8 military men? His actions and history screams that he only wants "Real Military Men" that fuck pussy to model for him He seems to be one of those gay men that don't see gay men as "Real Men". By looking at his sites lineup XXX Amateur Hour The headliner was Barrett Long (Str8), My str8 Buddies, his gay buddy runs that site. Dirty Bird Features his military models in full length scripted movies a few gay guys( I mean a few) and Amateur Straight Guys, that site is all about the str8 guys same as Active Duty, but trashier. Anything off the street is welcome if your light enough. This is something i would have thought you would have taken issue with, Ninja.
Ninja, it may be amazing to you that this thread is till up because people like you wanted to brush it under the rug. You were one of the first guys to salivate all over Axl and also to defend him. People like you have tried to get people to not discuss what needs to be addressed. Not just in this case but the overall lack of people turning a blind eye to racism is at the very least is the Gay community but also, in this country. The thing that gets me about you is that you will kick and scream and throw a temper tantrum about a str8 guy who won't kiss, rim, suck or fuck a guy in gay porn(hell he could do it all and still want him out, except for special circumstances like Axl) rallying the troops to get him out of gay porn, but racism thrown right in your face by someone who hires Whites-Only(or appear to be) models and one which has well known tattoo's that point to his racist ideology and you want to silence those that are addressing an issue of racism in our community that doesn't seem to be getting any better. On the forfront of this discussion of bigotry is Dink's narrow minded and racist attitude. Yup. I said Dink has a racist attitude because at this point from his many statements and hiring policies along with continuing to promote this model then to me he is .
Bottom line is if you do not call people on their ignorance, bigotry, racism whether they are setting at the next table or in the next cubicle we are silently telling them that it is OK to have that mind set. A porn director/producer once said on here that gay porn is an integral part of the gay community. If this is true(anything has a little bit of truth to it) Then this form of media should be challenged and those that chose to ignore the hatred, bigotry and self loathing that exists within our community then you don't have the right to compare your fight for equal rights to those who have fought and died to obtain their civil rights.
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Homosexuality and Nazism have a long and twisted history. On the surface, they are polar opposites, and maybe for that reason there has always been a connection between the two.
Ernst Roehm, one of Hitler's head brownshirts and leader of the SA, was an active homosexual and many of his top lieutenants were as well (and they were eventually executed as a result).
The Nazi uniforms, designed by non other than Hugo Boss himself, served as the inspiration for the iconic gear of the early gay leather movement, which was partly inspired by the art of Tom of Finland.
It's a topic addressed in the recent documentary, "Heroes and Gay Nazis," by German filmmaker Rosa von Praunheim.
Troubled gay skinheads and closeted young neo-Nazis are also the subject of such films as "Oi Warning" and the Danish film "Brotherhood."
In many European countries there are very active gay and non-racist skinhead scenes whose members are nevertheless identical in appearance to racist skinheads -- it's a bit confusing actually, but it's also a kind of sexual fetish. It could be that Active Duty and similar sites offer an American-style version of that sub-culture to their clientele.
Ernst Roehm, one of Hitler's head brownshirts and leader of the SA, was an active homosexual and many of his top lieutenants were as well (and they were eventually executed as a result).
The Nazi uniforms, designed by non other than Hugo Boss himself, served as the inspiration for the iconic gear of the early gay leather movement, which was partly inspired by the art of Tom of Finland.
It's a topic addressed in the recent documentary, "Heroes and Gay Nazis," by German filmmaker Rosa von Praunheim.
Troubled gay skinheads and closeted young neo-Nazis are also the subject of such films as "Oi Warning" and the Danish film "Brotherhood."
In many European countries there are very active gay and non-racist skinhead scenes whose members are nevertheless identical in appearance to racist skinheads -- it's a bit confusing actually, but it's also a kind of sexual fetish. It could be that Active Duty and similar sites offer an American-style version of that sub-culture to their clientele.
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I'm not apologizing for anybody. I was making a point because I find the amount of attention and interest this thread is generating very fascinating. You fellas sure are edgy.
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I'm done with this thread. If you bothered to read what I posted,you'll know that at this point,I'm on the side of the people who don't buy the Axl is a nieve kid story anymore and would like to see him gone.
Given the track record of bad models on other sites though, I'm not holding my breath he'll go anywhere.
But this thread has gone beyond that now and has become another trainwreck thread for the JUB pile.
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Okay....
Following one of the Admin's clearing up of numerous posts, I have further cleared some posts and am returning this thread to open forum for continued discussion.
HOWEVER,
I will respectfully remind all concerned to stick to the topic and avoid personal attacks on fellow members.
I don't have the time to continuously pick up the turds that you have been tossing at each other in this thread and in future, rather than edit posts to remove offending remarks, the entire post will be deleted.
IN ADDITION,
If this thread disintegrates again, it WILL be CLOSED - not because of the topic at hand, but because of the unfortunate inability of members to post within the guidelines set out in the Code of Conduct.
Following one of the Admin's clearing up of numerous posts, I have further cleared some posts and am returning this thread to open forum for continued discussion.
HOWEVER,
I will respectfully remind all concerned to stick to the topic and avoid personal attacks on fellow members.
I don't have the time to continuously pick up the turds that you have been tossing at each other in this thread and in future, rather than edit posts to remove offending remarks, the entire post will be deleted.
IN ADDITION,
If this thread disintegrates again, it WILL be CLOSED - not because of the topic at hand, but because of the unfortunate inability of members to post within the guidelines set out in the Code of Conduct.
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Not trying to correct you Quasar but that should be SOME MEMBERS. cause I know I was w/in the realm of code of conduct at least I hope so.
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No, you're quite correct. It isn't everyone that is at fault.
LuvFindsAndyHardy
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I am glad the thread has returned. While I don't, personally, feel that there can be much added to the discussion additionally, I'm glad that the original thread, with all of its heartfelt arguments, will still be available for people to see.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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