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Affordable Care Act/Obama-care Supreme Court ruling...

bankside said:
Perhaps it would be clearer to say that obamacare is not constitutional because of the commerce clause, but because of the powers of taxation.

It's not "unconstitutional" under any clause, it's just a matter of finding the applicable clause. I imagine the Court would have said the same thing if they had tried to defend it on the right to bear arms grounds. Sure you may need your health in order to shoot a gun, but what has that to do with anything?
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Healthy to shoot? Not all that necessary -- I've shot quite well with a fever over 100 F, and with a sprained ankle; if health sufficient to shoot well were the standard, we could tear down half our hospitals.
 
The only thing that cracks me up now is that Republicans think by electing Romney, Obamacare would get repealed. They would need 60 Senators to do so, not 1 President.
 
Benvolio said:
But someone not buying insurance is not part of the health care industry. He is choosing not to be part of that activity.
What the liberals will say is this. Past cases have held that Congress can regulate what affects interstate commerce. Someone not buying insurance affects interstate commerce and therefore can be regulated. But the "affects" argument was already stretching the Constitution beyond its intent. It not buying affects commerce, what in the world does not? The liberal judges will say that but I believe they will be a minority. They will also say that eventually everyone will want insurance in commerce..

If the Court goes that far,Congress would have total power to do anything it wants. You don't eat broccoli? You are affecting commerce. From now on you will buy it every week.
The Court cannot in good faith stretch the Constitution this far, and do not believe that they will.
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Roberts and the Court agreed with ME

AS I PREDICTED

Here is my QUOTE FROM 2011.

Re: How do you think the Supreme Court will rule on healthcare reform (or Obamacare)?


December 26th, 2011, 01:55 AM




Congress has the authority to tax you, if you don't buy health insurance, you will face the tax.

As for solving problems in our healthcare system, republicans had plenty of opportunities to reform healthcare in any way they saw fit, and they chose to do nothing. So to come back and say that Democrats hearts were in the right place is just admitting that republicans simply don't have hearts, but we already knew that.
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http://www.justusboys.com/forum/cur...4751-how-do-you-think-supreme-court-will.html

:wave:

*Bows*
 
maxpowr9 said:
The only thing that cracks me up now is that Republicans think by electing Romney, Obamacare would get repealed. They would need 60 Senators to do so, not 1 President.
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And they would need 67 senators to override Obama's veto if he is re-elected, so even if republicans take the whole congress they still cant fulfill their campaign plege.
 
rareboy said:
Hey JayQueer.

Thanks for behaving to form.

I'm sure it is the same stupid spin we'll be getting from FAUX SNOOZ for the next 7 days.

Sorry.

It is a huge loss for the Republicans and Tea Party radicals.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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I dont want to pile on but I remember JayQueer saying something like democrats hearts were in the right place trying to reform healthcare, pretty much sums it up that republicans are only against Obamacare because Obama is a democrat. Republicans never had any intention of fixing a broken healthcare system. Its been about Obama the whole time.
 
evanrick said:
I dont want to pile on but I remember JayQueer saying something like democrats hearts were in the right place trying to reform healthcare, pretty much sums it up that republicans are only against Obamacare because Obama is a democrat. Republicans never had any intention of fixing a broken healthcare system. Its been about Obama the whole time.
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Nonsense. We were fitting against socialized medicine long before Obama. Remember how we defeated Hillary care?
 
Kulindahr said:
I keep seeing articles that say SCOTUS "upheld most of" the law. What exactly did they kill?
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the idea that states have to participate with medicare expansion or lose all medicare dollars.

this is an expansion of federal power as others have said, you think the federalist right wingers would appreciate that. the law has always been constitutional, it never belonged in the court. i am interested to see what the conservative justices used as a pathetic excuse to vote against Obamacare, because according to Roberts they were wrong.

Now if republicans had a plan of their own, or tried reforming healthcare at any time in the past decade where they had plenty of opportunities to do so, they would have save themselves this epic embarrassment, this epic rejection of their warped political views.
 
LuvFindsAndyHardy said:
Hey now, as we say in Boston, "Nobody likes a smahty pants!" ;)

Remember what happened to Cassandra!

(good job, though)
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Yes we do have a reason to celebrate, and I plan on celebrating for those who will live a better life because of this ruling.

This isnt just a victory, its an affirmation of everything I have been saying, of what others have been saying, that conservatives had nowhere to run and hide on Obamacare. My own AG and 25 other AG's were suing for political reasons, that they have no intention to govern or put forth their own plans, that its all about defeating Obama and his accomplishments. Lest they forget America has suffered because of the republicans attack on ordinary Americans, and it seems Roberts had that in mind.

Im just wondering how long it will take republicans to get the message.

Now that republicans will be forced to do something besides calling for repeal, Im just waiting for their next bait and switch since they have been defeated at all levels of government.
 
evanrick said:
Yes we do have a reason to celebrate, and I plan on celebrating for those who will live a better life because of this ruling.

This isnt just a victory, its an affirmation of everything I have been saying, of what others have been saying, that conservatives had nowhere to run and hide on Obamacare. My own AG and 25 other AG's were suing for political reasons, that they have no intention to govern or put forth their own plans, that its all about defeating Obama and his accomplishments. Lest they forget America has suffered because of the republicans attack on ordinary Americans, and it seems Roberts had that in mind.
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Good lord I was just teasing!

I'm on YOUR side!
 
evanrick said:
the idea that states have to participate with medicare expansion or lose all medicare dollars.

this is an expansion of federal power as others have said, you think the federalist right wingers would appreciate that. the law has always been constitutional, it never belonged in the court. i am interested to see what the conservative justices used as a pathetic excuse to vote against Obamacare, because according to Roberts they were wrong.

Now if republicans had a plan of their own, or tried reforming healthcare at any time in the past decade where they had plenty of opportunities to do so, they would have save themselves this epic embarrassment, this epic rejection of their warped political views.
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Ah -- I do remember seeing that item. Is it the only thing?

I've been interested to see what the Court would do; I could argue merits on either side. I think they really stretched things, calling the penalties a tax. Can anyone think of an example of a tax that hits only people who don't do some certain thing?

At any rate, Obama can now be proud of being even more like Bush: he, too, has gotten a law in place that pretends to pay for itself but in reality is going to increase the deficit. And with the House Republicans standing firm on wanting no attempts to fix that deficit, and with a president who won't get out there and raise the fight with the people, we'll soon be roraing even faster toward the abyss.
 
Any one who purchases health other than Medicare will experience a very large increase in premiums. That is the plan.

Watch, if Republicans get a majotity of the Senate, and keep the house, the will eliminate the filibuster rule. The can do on the first day of the new term with a majority. See the Wikipedia discussion of filibuster. Reid has been saying the Democrats will do it, destroying the historical reluctance of both parties to eliminate it.
 
Benvolio said:
Watch, if Republicans get a majotity of the Senate, and keep the house, the will eliminate the filibuster rule.
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I would really like to see them try. If they do eliminate the rule that has allowed them the luxury of obstruction, the hypocrisy of the Republicans in congress will maim the party for years to come. Bring it on.

When you give a man enough rope...
 
Kulindahr said:
Ah -- I do remember seeing that item. Is it the only thing?

I've been interested to see what the Court would do; I could argue merits on either side. I think they really stretched things, calling the penalties a tax. Can anyone think of an example of a tax that hits only people who don't do some certain thing?

At any rate, Obama can now be proud of being even more like Bush: he, too, has gotten a law in place that pretends to pay for itself but in reality is going to increase the deficit. And with the House Republicans standing firm on wanting no attempts to fix that deficit, and with a president who won't get out there and raise the fight with the people, we'll soon be roraing even faster toward the abyss.
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thats just too cynical.

but nothing is a stretch because we have a federal government, Roberts said that the federal government could impose penalties if you don't get insurance. it was never about an individual mandate as i saw it and neither did Roberts, he just said that yes you will pay for your being irresponsible and having other people pick up your healthcare bill.

to go so far that to say that the healthcare tax is so selective that it falls outside constitutional bounds would mean something if we didn't have a federal government.

we already have compulsory insurance requirements, this idea is nothing new.
 
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