Are gay pride day necessary ??

[BostonPirate]

right now I just want to lay down a personal opinion that I know is going to offend some people and the fact that it will offend them is proof that I am right....

There are some gay men who are not comfortable with their own sexuality enough to tolerate gay men who push gender boundaries and exhibit raw male nudity in public.

Somehow they believe internally that they need to hide and shun homoerotic displays and I think that reveals an internal repression of sorts.

Straight men have no problem with going to strip clubs or howling at the cheerleaders at football games or their hooters waitresses even. Its almost a required right of passing in the red blooded american straight boy community to vocally express their desires for scantily clad women, who in turn are only there for the sole purpose of allowing them to do so. And if a straight boy thought he could get some pussy out of it, he would run naked across a football field in high heels at halftime. Straight men make no excuses for the lengths they will go to to freely express their sexual preferences, desires and identities.

In some gay men, that thing translates into doing a simillar gay process of howling at guys in leather chaps, the dragqueens, and twinks in bikinis at the parade.

In others it just makes them feel like less than equal because they haven't let go of their place in the red blooded american straight boy community.

Well I say just give it up and be an unapologetic gay man, in whatever way that is important to you, and gay pride is an outward expression that. I have more straight friends than gay friends, but they howl at the girls in my presence and I howl at the guys in theirs. those that feel uncomfortable with me doing that have no place in my life.....

Straight OR gay

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

right now I just want to lay down a personal opinion that I know is going to offend some people and the fact that it will offend them is proof that I am right....

There are some gay men who are not comfortable with their own sexuality enough to tolerate gay men who push gender boundaries and exhibit raw male nudity in public.

Somehow they believe internally that they need to hide and shun homoerotic displays and I think that reveals an internal repression of sorts.

Straight men have no problem with going to strip clubs or howling at the cheerleaders at football games or their hooters waitresses even. Its almost a required right of passing in the red blooded american straight boy community to vocally express their desires for scantily clad women, who in turn are only there for the sole purpose of allowing them to do so. And if a straight boy thought he could get some pussy out of it, he would run naked across a football field in high heels at halftime. Straight men make no excuses for the lengths they will go to to freely express their sexual preferences, desires and identities.

In some gay men, that thing translates into doing a simillar gay process of howling at guys in leather chaps, the dragqueens, and twinks in bikinis at the parade.

In others it just makes them feel like less than equal because they haven't let go of their place in the red blooded american straight boy community.

Well I say just give it up and be an unapologetic gay man, in whatever way that is important to you, and gay pride is an outward expression that. I have more straight friends than gay friends, but they howl at the girls in my presence and I howl at the guys in theirs. those that feel uncomfortable with me doing that have no place in my life.....

Straight OR gay

if humans be a define by two words straight or gay ya can cut planet in half>lot humans just whack jobs da fine products their countrys high great culture dat progress

da united nations will not sit ans fall asleepins
' got question!!! HALLLOOO! '
@ SSSH it there nap time @
' help warm theres milk '
@ Sure @
' just rub ma tits '
Sure Just say when
' okay '

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

right now I just want to lay down a personal opinion that I know is going to offend some people and the fact that it will offend them is proof that I am right....

There are some gay men who are not comfortable with their own sexuality enough to tolerate gay men who push gender boundaries and exhibit raw male nudity in public.

Somehow they believe internally that they need to hide and shun homoerotic displays and I think that reveals an internal repression of sorts.

Straight men have no problem with going to strip clubs or howling at the cheerleaders at football games or their hooters waitresses even. Its almost a required right of passing in the red blooded american straight boy community to vocally express their desires for scantily clad women, who in turn are only there for the sole purpose of allowing them to do so. And if a straight boy thought he could get some pussy out of it, he would run naked across a football field in high heels at halftime. Straight men make no excuses for the lengths they will go to to freely express their sexual preferences, desires and identities.

In some gay men, that thing translates into doing a simillar gay process of howling at guys in leather chaps, the dragqueens, and twinks in bikinis at the parade.

In others it just makes them feel like less than equal because they haven't let go of their place in the red blooded american straight boy community.

Well I say just give it up and be an unapologetic gay man, in whatever way that is important to you, and gay pride is an outward expression that. I have more straight friends than gay friends, but they howl at the girls in my presence and I howl at the guys in theirs. those that feel uncomfortable with me doing that have no place in my life.....

Straight OR gay

if humans be a define by two words straight or gay ya can cut planet in half>lot humans just whack jobs da fine products their countrys high great culture dat progress

da united nations will now sit ans fall asleepins
' got question!!! HALLLOOO! '
@ SSSH it there nap time @
' help warm theres milk '
@ Sure @
' just rub ma tits '
Sure Just say when
' okay '

 

[BostonPirate]

ok girl

It looks like you meant it.

Not even interested in trying to decypher it.

But you go on and have fun with that stuff now.

 

[stevexxx]

right now I just want to lay down a personal opinion that I know is going to offend some people and the fact that it will offend them is proof that I am right....

There are some gay men who are not comfortable with their own sexuality enough to tolerate gay men who push gender boundaries and exhibit raw male nudity in public.

Somehow they believe internally that they need to hide and shun homoerotic displays and I think that reveals an internal repression of sorts.

Straight men have no problem with going to strip clubs or howling at the cheerleaders at football games or their hooters waitresses even. Its almost a required right of passing in the red blooded american straight boy community to vocally express their desires for scantily clad women, who in turn are only there for the sole purpose of allowing them to do so. And if a straight boy thought he could get some pussy out of it, he would run naked across a football field in high heels at halftime. Straight men make no excuses for the lengths they will go to to freely express their sexual preferences, desires and identities.

In some gay men, that thing translates into doing a simillar gay process of howling at guys in leather chaps, the dragqueens, and twinks in bikinis at the parade.

In others it just makes them feel like less than equal because they haven't let go of their place in the red blooded american straight boy community.

Well I say just give it up and be an unapologetic gay man, in whatever way that is important to you, and gay pride is an outward expression that. I have more straight friends than gay friends, but they howl at the girls in my presence and I howl at the guys in theirs. those that feel uncomfortable with me doing that have no place in my life.....

Straight OR gay

yea and murderers and pedophiles are people too.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

yea and murderers and pedophiles are people too.

Only you would say something so asinine - and absolutely unrelated.

You're bad at this trolling thing. And yes, I'm another person calling you a troll. Disprove or deal, raggedy man.

 

[BostonPirate]

yea and murderers and pedophiles are people too.

so dragqueens and leathermen are of the same moral equivalent to you as murderers and pedophiles.

You DO realize what that reveals about how you view your sexual desires, right?

as well as everyone here that doesn't "ACT STRAIGHT" ?

 

[BostonPirate]

you want equal rights for gay people , but you only want gay people in your parade how is that showing equal rights?

honestly if you want to engage in these forums,
why not conduct yourself appropriately
we should all have the right to come into this room and not worry about people dangeling their private parts in front of our face.(both on the internet AND in real life)
furthermore,
this is a public community forum do you really want to be looked at like apes in the zoo??

think about it.

Steve Gnosis

Apes in the Zoo?

Saying that all gay people need to feel free to express themselves is acting like apes.

You want to know what is the saddest thing here? You are going to either accept yourself, change your mind, and regret you are intollerant of gay people of all varieties, or you are going to jump in a closet and stay there the rest of your life.

If you have no pride in yourself as a gay man, there is nothing about gay pride that will ever make you happy.

Your behavior, as usual, is mock moral superiority shaded by judgements on others, and then

CLUTCH PEARLS

when people respond you want to claim some high road.

Get over it sister. You are just as queer as the leather daddies and drag queens. The sooner you accept that, the happier you and steve will be. People want to know why the older gay men refuse to offer leadership at times and let you young boys twirl?

reread your posts and think about calling those that disagree with you apes.

 

[BostonPirate]

drama queen

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

fantastic! so now I can go outside and drop my pants and wave my penis in front of the neighbors.
I am glad that we were able to cover this much ground. See? I can misinterpret messages too.


Steve Gnosis

Please do. It'll be the legal way of getting you to shut up, at least.


Steve Gnosis

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

fantastic! so now I can go outside and drop my pants and wave my penis in front of the neighbors.
I am glad that we were able to cover this much ground. See? I can misinterpret messages too.


Steve Gnosis

interstin word is neighbors like whole a world a neigbors ans stuff

if count da many things neighbors do ans now go on TV ans you tube ta let everyone know what sittin in da one chair theatre with their permission slip froms their mama what say Yeah he potty train ans is ova age 32 but still little boy ans he not runin fa president until he clean up his playroom!

anyway cut million kilometers of trees short ta say

go keep ma mouth shut fa real time > DRAMA > YES da Human RACE is comin ta screw ya up soon
' ya say screw! '
Yeah
' titters '
WHAT?
' ma neighbors was doin it last night ins their garden! '
What?
' they inta satan but organic one it da latest amuse of super Kool folk '
you like doughnuts?
' yeah '
Then go fill one
' it borin! '
Go open street stall ans folk cum ta watch ya fill um
' OOH dat idea '



as any minority know ta just ta walk ta end of street was once ans still is amazin in it effort in da climate of worlds barkin cultures

SO KEEP MARCHIN till da Blue monkey sing again< they nearly extinct ya know



if ya read above ans not read ya own culture wherevea on earth ya LATE!

 

[mbamike]

Here is the trailer for "Beyond Gay: The Politics of Pride." It is currently being aired on Showtime.

​

Does anyone know how to do an embedded link? I have found more videos. Send me a PM.

 

[Kulindahr]

They are not necessary. People know if what you are is gay; you do not need to wear a big sign on your forehead that reads "i'm gay". pride parades are stupid in my opinion because they just draw to the public the stereotypes of gay men which are grabbing ass, sexually aggressive, wearing tight clothes showing alot of skin, some dressed as women, feminine like behavior with their gay ass music. to answer your question no its not a necessary thing but if they take away the pride parades then a particular group will bitch and moan so that's why they still have them

"Necessary"?

Until there are no more parades for black pride, no more tee-shirts that say "white pride"; until there are no more parades celebrating anything we value, including Thanksgiving Day and Memorial Day and the Fourth of July, until humans have grown past the urge to rejoice in being who they are -- yes, they're necessary.

do these people embarrass you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RnUuUbNxYo

I cry when I watch that kind of video. I'm one of these guys:

But I've sat with older guys who everyone has abandoned; they have not seen family and friends in decades and could die without anyone caring.

... and I still live in a town where it isn't exactly safe to be gay.

From the noises you're making, it seems to me you're okay with having a society where a gay couple has to spend $1200 on a fancy alarm system and room with two attack dogs, and not own a car because their tires get slashed weekly -- when the windows aren't being smashed in or epoxy poured into the key slot.

So I'll add: until everyone smiles when they see a gay couple, and isn't in our faces about how we walk or move our arms or raise our hands or talk or wear clothes (or don't) or what sports we like... yes, gay pride is necessary.

Gay PRIDE is our time to laugh; to realize we are like everyone else; to be able to line the streets with straight folks and gays to enjoy life. I know the news media usually likes to feature the most outlandish -- particularly media from the far right -- but who ignore similarly dressed folks in "straight" events.

And there's why I cry: for many, many gays the rule of the day is don't give yourself away, don't do the slightest thing that might make someone suspect, don't tell anyone but your most trusted friends. Gay pride is the place all that can be shed, where we can let loose the urges (mostly), not have to hide, not have to pretend. It's the day we say, "We are what we are, and we celebrate it!"

Back to the question: It kind of hurts the gay community like any other parade that celebrates any other thing. like the ST. Patricks Day Parade with the drunk Irish people, they piss, shit, and pass out on people's lawn. hell in Chicago they canceled the south side irish parade. People see them as just as a bunch of drunks. Would you take drunks seriously who piss on your lawn? i sure as hell would not.
But what is gay pride and how should it be celebrated is the real question. Is it a parade that has booze with go go dancers? gay people acting wild? techno Music? behind that what is the parade's main message? is it "hey we are gay lets go party"?
I believe Mike is trying to say that the gay pride parade does not show the real pride of gay people apart from the partying and the booze. not saying gay people are a bunch of drunks nor anything. i believe he is trying to say that the parade should show more major accomplishments in the gay movement, the major fighters for gay rights, etc, not just floats with go go dancers and people walking down the street.

I think you two are incredibly ignorant.

Pride shows everything: business groups, recreation groups, gobs and gobs and gobs of church groups, everything. If someone in the gay community isn't represented, it's not the fault of the organizers, it's the faulty of the lazy-asses who won't join in. The parade doesn't just have " floats with go go dancers and people walking down the street" -- in fact I think the last one I was at had more floats from churches than floats with any kind of dancers.

Yes, the media makes fun of the extremes; it's how they get ratings. But the extremes are just that: extremes. Only ignorant bigots think they represent anything but people being crazy, which happens at any celebration. And to a great extent it doesn't matter: a Pride Parade isn't for the people who come to watch, it's for the people who come to be in it. It's not the answer to someone's question, it's not our answer to what we think people want to see, it's a declaration and celebration of who we are.

As for guys in skimpy little outfits, dump the double standard. Beer commercials and floats in "regular" parades love parading women in fewer square inches than the Speedo I wore when I was coaching swim team, and that gets celebrated. As I told my house brothers at OSU on our first trip to Lake Shasta, it they have a problem with a couple of guys swimming (and water skiing) in Speedos, then they ought to tell their dates to put on shorts and tee-shirts and stop parading around in bits of cloth so tight nothing's left to the imagination. The problem with guys in skimpy outfits at Pride isn't something in the gay community, it's something in the deeply bigoted double standard handed down by prejudicial selection from a warped Puritan heritage.

What, you ask, is the main message? Simple: "We're gay! Hurray!"

 

[Kulindahr]

I like how everyone runs to people's defense saying that we need to be aloud to express ourselves for who we are or "let people be themselves" (as if these people alway go out in thong, make-up, and costumes). Now if your drag and you consistently do this, thats fine but I think people take things to the next level specifically to be like "IN YOUR FACE STRAIGHT PEOPLE> YEAH WE'RE GAY. WE KNNOW YOU DONT LIKE TO SEE OUR ASS HANGING OUT OF OUR CHAPS BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY BECAUSE WERE TIRED OF YOUR SHIT"" as if thats gunna make the situation better lol
Now, I have no problem with the people at PRIDE events, but I can see where the OP is coming from. Everything seems to be a little over the top/
and i dont hate gay people so dont come at me with "accept yourself bc u know u love cock. stop hating on our community" thats bullshit.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness....

mbamike mentions another relevant point about why pride parades are so absolutely necessary....

Without the (attempts at) pride parades in Russia, the wider world would have no clue about the disgusting violence and homophobia in that country. With the parades, the media and journalists can report, and we can publicise that country's behaviour, and at least try to hold them to account.

It can easily be forgotten by us that in some parts of the world, gay men require a phenomenal level of courage and bravery to go out on the streets, knowing the abuse and harm they could come to. But even knowing the risk, they STILL do it.

They are the unsung heroes of the pride movement, and they show us why it's so important to stand up for who we are, lest that our own lack of a visible presence on the streets of our own countries makes them too fall backwards into the ignorant attitudes of the past.

Thank you. People I know here tell me I should stop going swimming and camping the places I do, that having my truck keyed and written on and tires deflated and tent trashed and stuff is going to come to getting beat up one day. I don't really see courage, just a stubborn inability to back down and surrender things I enjoy just because I finally woke up and realized who I am.

So I proudly march with the Pink Pistols, so everyone watching the parade will know that there are gays who are armed -- so back off. And I've learned to celebrate every expression I've seen at Pride, because people are looking at it and realizing that we're just people, with a wide variety of likes and dislikes -- and hopefully some are shrugging and accepting by sort of surrender, and maybe one or two get it and decide we're okay.

yea and murderers and pedophiles are people too.

Your real view revealed: that gays are criminals who harm other people just by being who they are.

Time to arrange an exchange with Russia: they send us some gay boys who want to live free, and we'll send them one more ignorant, small-minded bigot.
Go ahead, steve -- pack your stuff.

 

[Red Storm]

yes, they are important.

happy pride.

 

[colliefletch]

I always find this discussion funny, because I don't see how they are embarrassing towards the gay community. If one is cynical and looking for ways to critique the community, sure. I still remember bringing my father, born and raised in a military life, attending Gay Pride. My dad, a guy who works in a factory and was enlisted in the military for 25 years, had no problem with anything. He loved it! He said it was one of the best times he ever spent in Toronto. I have accompanied many of my straight friends to Pride and all of them thoroughly enjoyed themselves.

I think people who dislike Pride and all it stand's for are being too cynical. It's not hurting our cause. It's a fun weekend where we get to take over the city and go over the top and enjoy ourselves. No harm done.

 

[wonderfulwilkinson]

Pride is so much better than shame.

 

[mbamike]

Human rights. . . equality. Sound familiar?

*Watch video below.*

http://vimeo.com/2766395

 

[Greenherbz]

Counterproductive.

Despite the love of gay activists for partying and over-the-top exhibitionism, the verdict in the end will be that Pride parades were politically counterproductive in their polarization of opposition forces.

Mike's concern is being relegated to closeted behavior or self-hate, which is quite different from concern that Gay Pride is becoming appropriated by countercultural extremism.

No one in Hot Topics is under any delusion that Mike's perspective will win any popularity contest amid the extremists, but that doesn't politically counter his observation.

Flaming him is more about gratuitous self-satisfaction of the mob of the like-minded than it is about looking at the issue.

Gay pride is evolved enough within the culture to be addressed for its political impact. The denial of how Proposition 8 got enough traction in California, NOT TENNESSEE, to pass, is a topic gay men would be wise to address. Far from Mike being closeted, it seems more likely that too many gay men are in denial of the consequences of certain aspects of gay culture that are working against our attainment of equal rights.

Citing Mardi Gras and St. Patrick's Day are irrelevant: there isn't a Catholic or an Irish faction fighting for the right to marry, to have legal rights equal to WASPs. Hedonism when generalized doesn't have the political fallout that Pride Parades generate. Deny it all you like, but it is costing the movement, no matter how fun it may be or how much it may mean from the past. The excesses are both foolhardy and expensive politically.

thank you

With equality in mind, I don't feel it's smart to alienate ourselves by focusing on differences, rather we should focus on our similarities in that we are all human.

It doesnt mean I hate the gay community, it doesnt mean I hate any gay person who isn't "straight acting." I just feel like those things are for us, we have bars and clubs for that kind of thing. When we are trying to attain rights should we be partying this hard?

I recognize that at this point in time, its hard for a lot of straight people to swallow (or at least the ones i know) and I think in the end it doesnt look good.
Should we celebrate every facet of our community? Yes. Should we be implementing that into our pride marches? I'm not so sure,

maybe im wrong, but i do see both sides
but what do i know, ive never even been to one -_-

 

[BostonPirate]

If you think gay pride has only dragqueens and leather men, then you simply have never showed up to find out what a small percentage of them show up.

So really, you guys obviously haven't a clue as to what you are talking about.

Once you accept that the people being pointed to are cherry picked out of a crowd of tens of thousands, you understand that there is an internal shame issue that some gay men have.

My personal experience is that the tendency to cherry pick and say we ought to repress the very people that started our movement, now that it is mainstream, are those with a well used closet to hide in and criticize from.

That is not a judgement because at one time or another we all were there and had to come out. we all faced being mentally torn away from our "I am like everyone else" place and that real fear of societal judgement.

IF you think a couple of draq queens and leather men can make you feel bad, you simply have not done enough to show the people in your life that being gay is not a bad thing.

If you have, then you are living in a fear that you simply can't impose on the rest of us.

Being gay is different. It is just a fact. Now go prove to people that being different doesn't make us any more or less than them. Prove to them that there are "passable" gay people that you could never tell just by looking....

Go show up. At least go and pretend to be with PFLAG or something.