Arkansas Judge Will Rule re: Marriage Case

[Alnitak]

^ Yes, it would be nice to say that.

But, they haven't done that, have they?

I think the AR Supreme Court will affirm Piazza's ruling. It affirmed his adoption ruling, so going on that there is good reason to think so.

 

[scream4ever]

It sounds like this technicality is going to be resolved very quickly:

Said Jack Wagoner, attorney for the plaintiffs:

We'll fix that tomorrow and be back here again.... How can order find something unconstitutional but not affect a statute that would require the clerks to do something unconstitutional?

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlo...ting-clerks-from-issuing-licenses-to-same-sex

 

[Alnitak]

^^^

That's basically what I said in post 80. It will basically be a patch up job like you would do to drywall.

 

[Alnitak]

Here we go again...

Ark. judge says he will expand ruling, strike down ban on gay marriage licenses

Pulaski County Circuit Judge Chris Piazza told attorneys in a letter that he’ll issue an order Thursday declaring the law banning same-sex marriage licenses as unconstitutional.

Piazza's statement:

Dear Counsel:
Pursuant to Rule 60 of the Arkansas Rules of Civil Procedure, I am
notifying you of a correction of clerical errors in the May t'fi,20l4 "Order Summary Judgment in Favor of the Plaintiffs and Finding Act 144 of 1997 and Amendment 83 Unconstitutional," and notifying you that an order will be filed today on May 15,2014 with the declaration that Act 146 of 1997 (A.C.A. 9-11-208) is unconstitutional and granting the Plaintiffs request for injunctive relief."

https://www.facebook.com/nwaequality/posts/10152149775052993

 

[Alnitak]

Marriages resume!

The Pulaski County clerk says he’ll immediately resume issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples after a judge struck down a law that barred the practice.

Pulaski County Clerk Larry Crane says that his office will issue marriage licenses again to same-sex couples immediately Thursday after receiving Judge Chris Piazza’s order. Piazza ruled that the law barring county clerks from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples is unconstitutional.

Ark. judge strikes down all state laws banning same-sex marriage

 

[Kulindahr]

It is unenforceable in my book to have a law that operates only by color of law.

I don't follow your response. ???

 

[Kulindahr]

No, but if SCOTUS invalidates ALL state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage (as they should have done in Windsor), then nothing Arkansas does will matter. And that is likely to happen before Arkansas allows gay marriage through its own legal system.

Nothing is going to happen anywhere in the USA until SCOTUS rules.

I can easily see this court deciding to let the matter "mature" another year, or even wait for the religious discrimination suit to make its way to them. With that issue in hand, it would give cover to some more conservative judges to say they're defending religious liberty and not have to address whether they think gays are second-class citizens.

 

[Kulindahr]

^^^

That's basically what I said in post 80. It will basically be a patch up job like you would do to drywall.

Now that I've stopped laughing and busting my gut....

I've hung enough drywall, both wall and ceiling, for that to strike me as hilarious. If we're going to use a drywall analogy, I'd compare it to a moment on a certain job when we were slapping up sheets in quick succession, and then behind us came a guy doing wiring, and stopped us and asked, "Where's the junction box?" In our rush, we'd failed to notice a stud with an attached junction box, where either an outlet or a light switch was meant to go, and covered it up. So we had to go back and find it, and cut a hole so the electrical guy could hook up circuits.

 

[Alnitak]

Health benefits are already beginning to flow.

 

[T-Rexx]

^ If there's anything Republicans hate more than Americans getting health insurance, it's gay Americans getting health insurance.

 

[rareboy]

I Hang my head in Shame.

 

[Alnitak]

Your mock of the name and then the gaff using Alaska's postal abbreviation really backfired and exposed the fallacy of the East Coast elitism. Shame on you.

Lazy thinkers elsewhere fall into the trap of thinking Arkansas is still a rancorous state with bitter racism as was seen in the Central High Crisis.

Well we never did pass anti-gay constitutional amendments here.

And rareboy is Canadian, which country is and has been morally above the United States since its inception. Can you name the abbreviations for all of the provinces? I can't.

 

[palbert]

Your mock of the name and then the gaff using Alaska's postal abbreviation really backfired and exposed the fallacy of the East Coast elitism. Shame on you.

Temper. Temper.

 

[Alnitak]

Anyone could list the failings of any state.

That doesn't make them equally guilty.

Whereas I couldn't name the Canadian abbreviations, I wouldn't be posting them without looking them up

At least it was a reasonable guess... Jackinsea did post a reminder.

nor would I be blanketing Canada with mocking disparagements.

Cmon we do it all the time

I don't believe Canadians are wool-cap-wearing lumberjacks with a vocabulary limited to "eh?" and I don't expect similar stereotypes in return.

On Wednesdays they go shopping, and have buttered scones for tea.

Maryland has its own flaws to live down. The goal isn't to make the states at war again.

It wasn't Maryland that started the Civil War, or resisted integration, and we were the first to pass same sex marriage electorally.

I guess I should be deeply grateful that a Canadian deigns to opine on Arkansas from afar. Right.

I think there is something to be said about the authority these countries carry to lecture the world about human rights.

 

[bankside]

Anyone could list the failings of any state. That doesn't validate sweeping bigotry against regions and states. Populations are diverse everywhere.

I agree with this. I must admit that well into my adulthood my impression of the south was that it was entirely filled with abject yokels. I do know when I began to question this impression - it was hearing James Carville back in the day on CNN. I even permitted myself to be astonished that someone could speak so insightfully and articulately with that accent.

Which propaganda arm of the Canadian government had forced this distorted view on me that James Carville began to dispel? Well, actually, you need look no further than the media and politics and news broadcasts of your own country, making their way across your northern border. Dukes of Hazzard. Jim and Tammy Faye. David Duke. Waco. Every Hollywood film ever made where the story requires us to understand someone's uneducated outsider status. Every mayor of New Orleans ever elected. Even Cletus on the Simpsons. I could go on, but that's all we had to go by.

Who knows how much depth and humanity and intellect inheres in the population there with these people, Americans, chosen by Americans, as the cultural ambassadors of this region?

Well, I do know it, and it helped me to appreciate the need for a little more skepticism in popular portrayals of different people. But perhaps you can appreciate how it was a challenge to discover.

Whereas I couldn't name the Canadian abbreviations, I wouldn't be posting them without looking them up nor would I be blanketing Canada with mocking disparagements.

Complete ignorance of another country's structure does not trump someone else's misremembered postal abbreviation as an indicator of objective and fair-minded commentary. For your reference:

British Columbia: BC
Alberta: AB
Saskatchewan: SK
Manitoba: MB
Ontario: ON
Quebec: QC
New Brunswick: NB
Nova Scotia: NS
Prince Edward Island: PE
Newfoundland and Labrador: NL
Nunavut: NU
Northwest Territories: NT
Yukon: YT

I don't believe Canadians are wool-cap-wearing lumberjacks with a vocabulary limited to "eh?" and I don't expect similar stereotypes in return.

Maryland has its own flaws to live down. The goal isn't to make the states at war again.



Indeed. The same patriotism that rises to defends one's nation rises to defends one's neighbors, against attacks, foreign and domestic.

I guess I should be deeply grateful that a Canadian deigns to opine on Arkansas from afar. Right.

I live more than 2000 km from any part of the US that could be said to be The South, and I've never been. Yet my own Capital is almost 3000 km away, and surely I should be allowed to comment on that. I think proximity is not really relevant. We both live in vast countries. Neither of us can hope to visit every corner of our own countries let alone each other's. It's likely each of us knows nothing of life in some place in his own country. Moreover both of us could probably find some part of each other's country where we have some greater insight than the one who actually shares the same nationality with that place. But that requires actually paying attention to the place and not worrying about whether you've memorised enough postal abbreviations to be qualified to comment.

 

[rareboy]

Tempest.

Teapot.

Translucent skin.

You are right. I remember now that he is from mizzoorah.

don't rightly know why I thought he was from Arkanzazz.

Is there anyone on JUB from AK? It would be interesting to have their take on the reaction in the state to this crack in the Bible Belt opposition to legalizing sodomitical marriage.

*Looks for the disparagement of an entire state*

 

[Alnitak]

We both live in vast countries.

But Canada is REALLY BIG, remember?

 

[Alnitak]

Responses to the new stay requests are due by 2 PM today.

http://equalityontrial.com/2014/05/16/arkansas-supreme-court-asks-responses-stay-request-2pm-today/

Also, Conway County will be issuing licenses.

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/05/...gin-issuing-marriage-licenses-to-gay-couples/

Couples now have a matter of hours before a stay might be granted, and the next state is a few hundred miles up river.

 

[rareboy]

Hopefully as many people as possible do this before the clock strikes the witching hour.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your mock of the name and then the gaff using Alaska's postal abbreviation really backfired and exposed the fallacy of the East Coast elitism. Shame on you.

It's not just East Coast. It's west coast, too, and I heard the same kind of thing when I lived in Indiana and Illinois. Missouri and Arkansas are just a couple of states looked down on by people from all over. Even when I lived in Missouri I heard disparaging remarks about Arkansas, though more about Alabama (frak, even when I was in Texas, people made fun of Alabama!).