Bank Account Doesn’t Show Enough “Activity” To Get a Voter ID

[JayHawk]

That argument you just made is much more convincing than any of the previous.

I agree it is a travesty to not inform potential recipients of the policy. Is that the written policy or simply one guy in one office's opinion? I am asking because I do not know. Is it not extremely democratic to pass a referendum to post signs clearly stating the free ID for voting? Wouldnt that be a simple solution?

As far as fixing everything else? What is the solution? HOW do you make the schools actually effective at teaching? Set a test for getting out of each level? Doesnt work. Set rules to fire inept teachers? Doesnt work. Spend three times as much as other nations who have youthful scholastic achievement records that make the USA look 'special'? Well money doesnt work either. So what is the solution? What works in these other countries to cause these children to dedicate themselves to learning? it isnt the parents is it? No way. The education issue is cultural not policy.

As far as infant mortality. I believe both parties for different reasons have no intention of enacting health care that will both cover every human being in Americana and be cost effective and efficient. I believe it is as necessary as oxygen but will not happen in our lifetime.

A lot of different subjects there. But the point is that the ID measure and the other fixes are not mutually exclusive. The solution is not in the cash flows.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

That argument you just made is much more convincing than any of the previous.

I agree it is a travesty to not inform potential recipients of the policy. Is that the written policy or simply one guy in one office's opinion? I am asking because I do not know. Is it not extremely democratic to pass a referendum to post signs clearly stating the free ID for voting? Wouldnt that be a simple solution?

As far as fixing everything else? What is the solution? HOW do you make the schools actually effective at teaching? Set a test for getting out of each level? Doesnt work. Set rules to fire inept teachers? Doesnt work. Spend three times as much as other nations who have youthful scholastic achievement records that make the USA look 'special'? Well money doesnt work either. So what is the solution? What works in these other countries to cause these children to dedicate themselves to learning? it isnt the parents is it? No way. The education issue is cultural not policy.

As far as infant mortality. I believe both parties for different reasons have no intention of enacting health care that will both cover every human being in Americana and be cost effective and efficient. I believe it is as necessary as oxygen but will not happen in our lifetime.

A lot of different subjects there. But the point is that the ID measure and the other fixes are not mutually exclusive. The solution is not in the cash flows.

Thanks, JayHawk. That was an intelligent and reasoned response.

I did check out the map in your link and it's deceptive because depending on the dropdown list for party affiliation (senate, assembly, or congress), the map image displays as solid blue, or solid red, which can't be right. I'm not familiar with all of the 16 locations but I do know that Phillips is solidly Democratic (56% registered Democrats, 42% registered Republicans).

 

[bankside]

Note for an international audience to ease comprehension cause this baffled the shit out of me until I figured out why people weren't making any sense:

Apparently in US English, a poll tax is a tax on voting, or a tax used as a pretext to obstruct access to voting.

In English English, it is a per capita flat-fee tax that is not connected with the right to vote; everybody is just sent a bill for being a citizen. Used briefly and most famously by city councils in Margaret Thatcher's era as UK Prime Minister.

PS. This changes a whole bunch of other threads I've participated in on here where we were speaking the same words but different languages. Please take note of the likely meaning of the speaker.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

It's both. That's what's confusing about it. The DMV's policy is to not inform people that they can request a free card, or explain how they need to do so. In those cases, a voter has to pay $28 to get the card.

Nope. It is, as per the Wisconsin DMV site, free. Period. However, it can only be used for voting, and has no other use. So you could not, for example, use it to get into a club or as proof of residency for employment. But you can vote with it...

I should emphasize that these offices have not actually closed yet because the governor's plans haven't been finalized, so the list could be longer, or shorter.

Interesting that, rather than being most Dem, most of the DMV's being closed are, yet again, damaging to the Rep -voter base.

So...for something that is supposed to be eating away at the Dem voting base, it's really more effective at eating away at the Rep voting base...

RG

 

[Jack Springer]

Why is the mother involved?

Why the camera?

Just doesn't make a lot of sense. Sounds like a highly edited video made to prove whatever the author wanted. Pretty boring, I didn't watch the entire thing.

You asked for an example voter fraud. Here's one. NAACP community activist. 50 years in prison.

http://www.tunicatimes.com/index.ph...ten-voter-fraud-counts&catid=2:paid&Itemid=26

 

[White Eagle]

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

Any barriers at all placed in the path of people who want to vote are suspect. That employees are not instructed to explain that if a voter card is wanted, to check the box, suggests the instructions were created with intent to make voting more difficult.

Just replying to this part of your post.
Everytime we get a new DL the DMV person always ask if we want to register to vote. I don't know why everyone else can't.

 

[JayHawk]

Thanks, JayHawk. That was an intelligent and reasoned response.

I did check out the map in your link and it's deceptive because depending on the dropdown list for party affiliation (senate, assembly, or congress), the map image displays as solid blue, or solid red, which can't be right. I'm not familiar with all of the 16 locations but I do know that Phillips is solidly Democratic (56% registered Democrats, 42% registered Republicans).

Ok I could have sworn i replied last night BUT I suppose my computer told me to bugger off.

The chart is not necessarily deceptive. I used party by county and the vote for BUSH V KERRY results as that was all that was provided and that I could find. The places I marked R voted overwhelmingly (> 70%) for Bush and as a county are more republican according to that site. That said I do not know Wisconsin. Only what I can read.

As I ask previously to the OP if anyone has more relevant and current party break down by county or a reliable article doing the same thing from a reputable news source... well please throw it out there.

Note for an international audience to ease comprehension cause this baffled the shit out of me until I figured out why people weren't making any sense:

Apparently in US English, a poll tax is a tax on voting, or a tax used as a pretext to obstruct access to voting.

In English English, it is a per capita flat-fee tax that is not connected with the right to vote; everybody is just sent a bill for being a citizen. Used briefly and most famously by city councils in Margaret Thatcher's era as UK Prime Minister.

PS. This changes a whole bunch of other threads I've participated in on here where we were speaking the same words but different languages. Please take note of the likely meaning of the speaker.

Our Poll tax was named such during the civil rights struggle. The Southern Democrats (Which are mostly republican now) Were the only group opposed to allowing for the removal of testing and or fees to vote... I.E. a poll tax. The 24th amendment to our constitution names it such and removes it from use in our system.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

What matters most is the breakdown of registered voters in the areas where DMV offices are slated to close. Pulling the voter and population data from Sperling's site (http://www.bestplaces.net/state/wisconsin), which is supposed to be current as of 06/10, gives the following numbers:

Location %Dems %Reps Major Pop. Pop. +/-
======== ===== ===== ===== ==== ========
Iron River 63 36 D 1,108 5%
Luck 48 50 R 1,137 -6%
Amery 48 50 R 2,884 1%
New Richmond 47 51 R 8,515 35%
Phillips 56 42 D 1,546 -8%
Stanley 54 45 D 2,637 39%
Abbotsford 52 45 D 1,894 -3%
Wittenburg 51 47 D 1,205 2%
Minocqua 54 44 D 5,023 3%
Eagle River 47 51 R 1,456 1%
Algoma 55 44 D 3,229 -4%
Westfield 52 47 D 1,281 5%
Reedsburg 61 38 D 8,806 12%
Sauk City 61 38 D 3,123 0
Fort Atkinson 50 49 D 12,170 5%
Oconomowoc 37 62 R 14,403 16%


This shows that of the 16 offices to be closed, 11 are in Democratic-leaning areas and only 5 are in Republican-majority areas.

In order to see if the rationale for closing an office was based on a particular area losing population (which would be a logical reason), I also pulled the change in population data. Of the 11 Dem areas, only 3 showed a net population loss. Sauk City is a toss up with no change in population.

A case could still be made that because most of these areas have relatively small numbers of voters, the anticipated closings won't have a meaningful effect. The problem with that is Wisconsin is a swing state. In 2000, Al Gore carried the state by a mere 5,708 votes. Changing the vote totals from just a few of the areas above can easily swing the outcome.

In light of this, I do not believe that these offices were chosen by accident by Wisconsin's current Republican administration. I believe it was by design. It may be smart on their part; it may make political sense. That does not make it right or just.

(My apologies for the table; JUB's text editor leaves something to be desired when formatting tabular data.)

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

Damn...Those are some mighty small counties...If I were trying to save money, those would be the counties I'd close down...

RG

 

[JayHawk]

Well that very well could be the truth. Thanks for the source too. That would be an excellent source for the entire country it seems.

Dont worry about the table I always go to the link 'round here. Everyone tells history (HIS STORY) and Perspective is often lost on JUB.

I suppose it does appear pretty condemning for Republicans in the state of Wisconsin but how did it happen in a majority Dem state?

Is it not simply gerrymandering at a different level? And is that not the American process and has been for a long time?

The United States has a long tradition of gerrymandering that precedes the 1789 election of the First U.S. Congress. In 1788, Patrick Henry and his Anti-Federalist allies were in control of the Virginia House of Delegates. They drew the boundaries of Virginia's 5th congressional district in an unsuccessful attempt to keep James Madison out of the U.S. House of Representatives.[42]
Historically, each state legislature has used gerrymandering to try to control the political makeup of its delegation to the U.S. House of Representatives. Partisan legislators typically try to maximise the number of congressional delegation seats under the control of the legislature's majority party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

 

[Yngbldhwk]

Most of the cities, towns and villages in WI are quite small. The exceptions are Milwaukee, Madison (our capital city), Green Bay, Kenosha, and Racine.