Barbara Boxer - not her finest moment

[JayHawk]

Tex you think maybe it has something to do with the topic? I mean the forum is filled daily with "OMG what they are doing to me today" threads. Maybe thats why they are talkin about Boxer in this thread I dunno?

For the record Boxer fucked up but only because the world, not Condi took offense at it. COndi didn't take offense until she was told to after the fact.

That my friend is what is wrong with our politics. We have no quality in what our politicians say because they are too afraid of a derogatory sound bite.

 

[texpatriot]

Tex you think maybe it has something to do with the topic? I mean the forum is filled daily with "OMG what they are doing to me today" threads. Maybe thats why they are talkin about Boxer in this thread I dunno?

For the record Boxer fucked up but only because the world, not Condi took offense at it. COndi didn't take offense until she was told to after the fact.

The world?

Really?

Hummm.

I didn't get that impression, but if you say so.

That my friend is what is wrong with our politics. We have no quality in what our politicians say because they are too afraid of a derogatory sound bite.

Among other things!

Barbara Boxer's comments, and the reaction to them, only underscores what's wrong with the political discourse in our country.

Those who support Barbara Boxer felt like her comments were dead on, and in long need of being made.

Those who support Bush and his policies felt like she's nothing more than a politically incorrect hack, and many in this thread have tried to paint the entire Democratic Party with the same broad brush. Regardless of the fact that she's only one Senator from one State where most state's have two.

Might I remind you that it was the former Speaker of the House; Republican Tom DeLay, from Sugarland, Texas who said,

It is not the principled partisan, however obnoxious he may seem to his opponents, who degrades our public debate, but the preening, self-styled statesman who elevates compromise to a first principle.

TOM DELAY, CNN, Jun. 9, 2006

It was that kind of contempt for political discourse that brought such acrimony to our "civil dialogue" and not a few misquoted comments from the Democratic Senator from California.

Republicans, and their so called leadership have led this nation down that divisive path, and not the Democrats.

Frankly, I saw Barbara Boxer's comments as being honest and genuine, and not in anyway an attempt to disparage Secretary of State Condi Rice's character.

It was an honest question.

We've just all gotten use to hearing things a certain way over the past 6 to 12 years.

It's time to clear the shit out of our ears, IMHO.

 

[NickCole]

Whether or not any BushRepublican likes it, and no matter how dishonestly they spin it, Senator Boxer spoke the truth.

It's worth repeating.

Now, the issue is who pays the price, who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families, and I just want to bring us back to that fact.

And although BushRepublicans have practically made a religion out of lying and misrepresenting and mischaracaterizing, the truth does matter.

Thank God for the Barbara Boxers of America. Thank God for those who still have the courage to speak the truth. How sad that in our United States of today it really does take a lot of courage simply to speak the truth because some people try to destroy you over it.

 

[MassRuss]

I wonder where some of the current Senator's(like Boxer) would have been in terms of valuing life back in either WWII or The American Civil War?

Ahem. WWII & the Civil War were legal wars, where either 1. We were attacked or 2. The country was being torn apart. Why you guys insist on comparing this mess in Iraq with WWII astonishes me. You, obviously don't read or know any history. Japan attacked us. We declared war on Japan.
Germany & Italy & their allies declared war on US. WWII
11 States ceceded. The rest of the states, along with the president didn't want the country split in 2. South Carolina attacked a union fort.
Civil War.
9/11/01. NY & DC are attacked by Islamic extremists led by Osama Bin Laden.
2003 Bush & his neocons, after lying to the American people & their elected representatives, attack Iraq. Iraq did not attack US.
Get it. You attack the people/countries who attacked you. Now, if you can get yourselves away from Faux news, you might notice that Afghanistan is beginning to fall apart. This wouldn't have happened if the fools in the White House & their lackeys would have continued the war in Afghanistan, instead of an unnecessary war in Iraq.

 

[texpatriot]

^ Let's not get confused with our history lessons here buddy!

Afganistan was in response to 9/11, and the Taliban Government's harboring of Bin Laden/al-Queda.

Iraq became an extension of the "war on terror" visa vi Saddam Hussein's "non-compliance" with U.N. Security Council directives, and WMDs.

The next war will most likely be with Iran, with a "finding" of direct connections between Iranian sponsered support of the Shiite militias, and or a direct seemingly un-provoked attack against the Carrier Fleet that is now being deployed to the region.

I suspect that a few months from now someone, somewhere is going to be pissed at the Barbara Boxers' of the word. Not for having ASKED the question, but for not having ASKED IT SOONER!

How far are we willing to go people?

 

[chance1]

I think the only thing missing from Ms. Boxer's inappropriate remarks was perhaps tears

Then she could say "see I'm crying for our soldiers - do u cry Ms. Rice"

I think we elect our politicians to govern, not grandstand

But that's me

 

[ryankeith]

I think the only thing missing from Ms. Boxer's inappropriate remarks was perhaps tears

Then she could say "see I'm crying for our soldiers - do u cry Ms. Rice"

I think we elect our politicians to govern, not grandstand

But that's me

Ms. Boxer was not trying to appear more sympathetic to the soldiers than Ms. Rice was and you know that Chance.

She was pointing out that there are over 3000 families out there who are far more aware of the pain of having a loved one killed in this war than someone like yourself who may not know anyone or who may not have experienced losing a loved one in battle. The impact of the thousands of soldiers injured in battle also has a bigger effect on their families once again then those who don't have family or loved ones in the war.

To sit here and say you experience the heartbreak and toll of death from the sidelines the same as the loved ones of a soldier who's been tragically taken from them in a terrible war is ludicrous and crazy.

Ms. Boxer wasn't grandstanding as you put it...she was making a very valid and very real point. She pointed out she is not fully aware of the long term effects and sacrifices made by soldiers of the war and she was pointing out that Condi doesn't either. The difference is Ms. Boxer has admitted she doesn't understand, Condi keeps pretending she understands.

The truth hurts and alot of people don't like it.

 

[texpatriot]

I think the only thing missing from Ms. Boxer's inappropriate remarks was perhaps tears

Then she could say "see I'm crying for our soldiers - do u cry Ms. Rice"

I think we elect our politicians to govern, not grandstand

But that's me

This is a Committee hearing, not an episode of Montel Williams, or Oprah!

I do understand what you're saying.

Barbara Boxer was poking Ms. Rice's "humanitarian" position on the issues that she is advocating, and NOT.......contrary to some posters in this forum...poking her in the eye with a sharp stick.

We also elect our politicians to be human beings, and to "emote" some semblance of compassion and understanding about the consequences that they're advocating.

It's not like Secretary Rice is saying we're going to send 21,500 boxes of Cheerios over to Iraq because we can.

Those 21,500 "additional" troops are human beings with families, and friends, and relatives, who care very much about the sacrifices that they're being asked to make.




So far, from what I've seen, all that those troops have gotten from the political end are "platitudes."

If we're not careful THEY will become political fodder.

Americans don't get to see the Flag Draped Coffins arriving from Iraq EVERY WEEK, and the troops don't get acknowledged for the good deeds that they're doing over there every week, because apparently there's nothing of political "fodder" that can be made from either party, so their actions go unnoticed.

In fact the only people in this country who really seem to give a shit are current and former Military personal.

This is a good place to start in finding out where our troops are most proud of their accomplishments:

Military News

Why aren't we focussing on the troops that are already there?

And why are the proposed 21,500 troops nothing more than numbers on a page?

Why?

Because all of this talk about what Senator Boxer said to Secretary of State Rice is taking precedence.

Just another example of how effed up the political discourse has become in this country.

 

[smelter]

Does anyone else think that the outrage expressed in this thread defies all sense of proportion? An offhand remark about Condi Rices life choice trumps the 21,500 lives of people given no choice about theirs.

 

[Andreus]

Does anyone else think that the outrage expressed in this thread defies all sense of proportion? An offhand remark about Condi Rices life choice trumps the 21,500 lives of people given no choice about theirs.

of course it does

these republicans, desert falcon and his irresistable cohorts, just want to play the old republican smear and distort campaign.

this is the oreilly sickness at its best.

it doesnt hide the real facts...

the threads starter here tried to mislead us through manipulative posting of a real event, and after he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he picked a fight with anyone he could to defend his dishonest post.

this entire thread is a symbol of why the republicans and their ilk are out of power.

 

[chance1]

Does anyone else think that the outrage expressed in this thread defies all sense of proportion? An offhand remark about Condi Rices life choice trumps the 21,500 lives of people given no choice about theirs.

HAHA

The outrage is from the "Boxer supporters" (that's a good one)

Take a head count smelter

It's the old "you can dish it out but u can't take it" in action

 

[Centexfarmer]

HAHA

The outrage is from the "Boxer supporters" (that's a good one)

Take a head count smelter

It's the old "you can dish it out but u can't take it" in action

Please clarify.

Who's dishing what out to whom?

 

[chance1]

Please clarify.

Who's dishing what out to whom?

In reading this thread, the majority are Boxer supporters outraged that Ms. Boxer is being challenged on her statements

 

[smelter]

HAHA

The outrage is from the "Boxer supporters" (that's a good one)

Take a head count smelter

It's the old "you can dish it out but u can't take it" in action

Chance, its difficult to have a meaningful dialogue with you because most of your responses are non sequiturs.

 

[Centexfarmer]

In reading this thread, the majority are Boxer supporters outraged that Ms. Boxer is being challenged on her statements

Well I don't consider myself a "Boxer" supporter, personally I prefer briefs.

Jocks are especially nice!








Come on! After 122 posts, I can't believe no one has made a joke about her name!

 

[MassRuss]

I think the only thing missing from Ms. Boxer's inappropriate remarks was perhaps tears

Then she could say "see I'm crying for our soldiers - do u cry Ms. Rice"

I think we elect our politicians to govern, not grandstand

But that's me

I said it before. Chance, put your money where you missguided mouth is. Join up so some other American can come home to his family. We'll see how you feel after 3 or more jaunts to Baghnam.

 

[ryankeith]

I said it before. Chance, put your money where you missguided mouth is. Join up so some other American can come home to his family. We'll see how you feel after 3 or more jaunts to Baghnam.

I can answer that for him...as he quoted before...and I do quote:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[winetaste06]

Right on target "kev." The real divide in America is those who see 9/11 as the beginning of a war and those who don't. We should really be able to express our views for or against that statement with respect and understanding towards each other. But for far too many their Bush/Republican hatred colors everything.

I didn't vote for Bush in 2000. Sep 2001 changed everything; how I vote and how I view those "leaders", like Boxer who don't understand we are at war.

 

[NickCole]

Right on target "kev." The real divide in America is those who see 9/11 as the beginning of a war and those who don't.

It's our men and women who've died, and those of the 21,000 new troops who WILL die, in Bush's Iraq war that Senator Boxer referred.

Bush & Co deliberately misled the American people and Congress when they drew a connection between 9/11 and attacking Iraq.

Saddam Hussein and Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11.

9/11 was not the beginning of a war in Iraq. Bush started the war in Iraq. Totally unnecessarily.

I didn't vote for Bush in 2000. Sep 2001 changed everything; how I vote and how I view those "leaders", like Boxer who don't understand we are at war.

Boxer's point is who is and who is not paying a personal price for that war. Bush talks about "sacrifice" but, as she pointed out, the only ones sacrificing on a personal level are military personnel and their families. If this is a war shouldn't we all be sacrificing?

 

[Andreus]

...... But for far too many their Bush/Republican hatred colors everything...

this thread was inspired by nothing less than hatred of the democrats and their new wins in the congress last election, so thats just about as two faced a statement as Ive read here in a very very long time.