Barebacking appreciation thread

[Críostóir]

Did you mean that, or was it a typo?

It's a little old-fashioned, but yes, it's what I meant.

 

[frankfrank]

I found it!! - how did I miss this? I wanted to be sure I bumped this thread.

The OP and anybody else should look at this thread: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294705

This says, as well as anybody can, that you CANNOT trust somebody to be clean, even if they tell you they are. If one has a fetish of spreading HIV, there's nothing stopping somebody from telling you they're clean, even when they fully know otherwise.

And somebody doesn't have to "look sick" to be HIV+.

 

[AllMan]

^^^^I find it very funny that "certain people" spend of all their energy preaching to people about how to make their own decisions. Yes you may not agree with barebacking (or other actions) in your own bedroom or in your own lives, but people are adults so let them be happy with their decisions; they are the ones who have live with the consequences thereafter (if applicable).

Do you feel empowered or ego-boosted by forcing your own belief systems upon other people???

 

[frankfrank]

^ I gathered that the OP was entirely trusting the other guys to disclose their status, and that they would always do so enthusiastically and truthfully.

I was pointing out that it's not always safe to just outright assume what somebody else says about their status. Millions of years of life have collectively been lost or badly compromised because of people not disclosing the truth. Some people know how to appear VERY sincere and convincing, even about things they know not to be true.

 

[Críostóir]

I was pointing out that it's not always safe to just outright assume what somebody else says about their status. Millions of years of life have collectively been lost or badly compromised because of people not disclosing the truth. Some people know how to appear VERY sincere and convincing, even about things they know not to be true.

While this is all true, this thread is not the place for it. What you and many others don't seem to understand is that not every place is an appropriate one for your message. You're starting to grate on me like Jehovah's Witnesses--who, after all, are only trying to SAVE you from making bad decisions!

 

[dpnice]

......................I find it very funny .........................they are the ones who have live with the consequences thereafter (if applicable).....................................

In France it is not only "they" who have to live with the consequences as via the National Health Service the contributions I make out of my monthly salary pay for their medication. Subsequently I don't find it funny.

But I do understand your comments though I got the impression that people here were rather just stating their personal opinions rather than campaigning to take away others' rights to make a personal decision.

 

[Kennylingus]

^^^^I find it very funny that "certain people" spend of all their energy preaching to people about how to make their own decisions. Yes you may not agree with barebacking (or other actions) in your own bedroom or in your own lives, but people are adults so let them be happy with their decisions; they are the ones who have live with the consequences thereafter (if applicable).

Do you feel empowered or ego-boosted by forcing your own belief systems upon other people???

I'm not going to get too involved on this one, but I do want to point out that it may be your decision...but you're not the only one who gets effected by the possible reprecussions. The reason why these diseases spread so much is because even if the people know they have it, a good amount of them won't tell you. And then you got it and go for God only knows how long without realizing it, spreading it to others and giving them the same death sentance.

I try not to "preach", but I really can't understand why anyone who's met someone with AIDS can think that barebacking and so on is hot. That is one of the worst possible ways to die, and what for? Because it feels a little better without a SUPER THIN condom? REALLY?!

How much difference is it really, and how much of it is in your head because of danger rush? It really makes me sad.

 

[snapghisch]

Regardless of how anyone views it, barebacking is a personal decision. One always has the ability to say no.

I personally would not go out to clubs and bring home a guy and bareback with him, but seeing as how I am married and live with my partner, I have nothing against it. It definitely feels more intimate than sex with a condom. But like I said, in the end, it's up to the people involved. Everyone who participates in barebacking takes a risk. They know that. So they should be allowed to make the decision themselves.

 

[AllMan]

Regardless of how anyone views it, barebacking is a personal decision. One always has the ability to say no.

I personally would not go out to clubs and bring home a guy and bareback with him, but seeing as how I am married and live with my partner, I have nothing against it. It definitely feels more intimate than sex with a condom. But like I said, in the end, it's up to the people involved. Everyone who participates in barebacking takes a risk. They know that. So they should be allowed to make the decision themselves.

Yep----that exactly my point, I think these people fail to understand that everyday people make wreckless decisions...from driving 150mph in the rain to jet skiiing to skateboarding off a 10ft ledge to putting their heads in an alligator's mouth, they all come with risks and consequences that are known upfront----if people want to risk their health/lives, then let them. Why are complete strangers so nosey and trying to be controlling in their lives?

The reason why these diseases spread so much is because even if the people know they have it, a good amount of them won't tell you. And then you got it and go for God only knows how long without realizing it, spreading it to others and giving them the same death sentance.

I totally 100% disagree with those statements. First of all even if the people have HIV and don't tell you---why are you allowing them to bareback you in the first place? It takes two to tango---the bottom can put on a condom just as well as the top can put one on. If everyone is "claiming" they only use condoms anyway (which I think is a bunch of shit personally----more people are barebacking than admitting) then it should not be an issue of "John gave me HIV without me knowing", "my friend caught HIV from someone he met at a party", etc. No...you gave yourself HIV because you should have been using a condom in the first place; and you should not be letting strangers bareback you anyway----unless you know the risks and are personally willing to live with the potential negative consequences!

If everyone got tested every 6 months like they are supposed to, and if as many people really wore condoms as they "claim" then we would not have the problem of the "you got HIV from some guy and didn't even know it, then you kept spreading it to others without even knowing" bullshit.

See, I smell so much bullshit here in these forums and on online hookup sites and in real life: everyone claims they don't bareback and they ALWAYS use condoms everytime, yet more and more people are getting infected everyday. So what does that tell you? That these people are full of shit and they are lying (in public) about their sexual practices to make themselves look more wholesome and decent. Once you get a gay (or bi) man behind closed doors and in the heat of the moment, then out goes the idea of condoms, and in goes a raw dick in their ass! lol..it's funny but so sad and true. The numbers don't lie---if everyone was having safe sex like they say, then HIV would not have any playground to manifest---but obviously people aren't all angelic like they claim to be. You talk about people lying to you about their status, well how about the people who lie to their current partners about their past safe sex practices? Now they are making their current partner think they have always used condoms in the past and is 99.99% likely to be HIV negative, when in fact that one time they barebacked might have been the one time they got infected with HIV. So that puts the current partner at ease, and he is more prone to bareback you and catch your HIV---rather, if you would have told him that your barebacked in the past, it would make him think twice and he would like use a condom---thus pretecting himself and you (from "additional" STD's potentially). Think about it from both sides. End of story.

I am partnered and yes we bareback---but only in the monogomous sexual sense. Bottom line is: know your partner's status, be maturem be educated, and protect yourself in random hookups and one-night stands...and barebacking is not nearly as "evil" and sinful as these people make it out to be.

 

[Críostóir]

AllMan, I'd agree, except that there are steathers out there. I read one of their blogs recently and it sickened me. He takes great pleasure in getting his cum into a "condom nazi" (his term for people who insist on condoms for themselves)'s ass, even when he has to wear a condom for all the actual fucking. In one case, he and a friend tag-teamed a guy who kept feeling for the condom; after his friend came into one condom, he turned it inside out to make sure the bottom got jizz in his ass.

With criminals like that out there, people can still get HIV without barebacking on purpose at all (and even checking during sex to make sure a condom is there, as the bottom in the incident above was doing).

I think the real answer is "don't have sex with strangers no matter how hot they are," but that's a damn tough sell for young gay men.

 

[dpnice]

§...............................; people make wreckless decisions...from driving 150mph in the rain to jet skiiing to skateboarding off a 10ft ledge to putting their heads in an alligator's mouth, they all come with risks and consequences that are known upfront----if people want to risk their health/lives, then let them. Why are complete strangers so nosey and trying to be controlling in their lives?....................................................

Your examples show exactly why so many of us rant against barebacking; it is wreckless and comes with risks and consequences which involve other people.

Driving fast puts other road users at great risk; skateboarding in such an manner to result in a serious accident has great consequences for the person's family, etc.

You are, of course, perfectly correct in stating that we don't have a right to control others' sex practices; if people choose to bareback it is indeed their decision.

But please don't treat us as nosey, controlling bastards just because we are pointing out the risks and consequences.

 

[AllMan]

Your examples show exactly why so many of us rant against barebacking;

we are pointing out the risks and consequences.

I don't have a problem with you having a strong opinion. By all means rant all you want, in fact I actually encourage it! But do it in your own house/apartment behind closed doors where you can yell as loud as you want....

The problem comes in where you guys constantly and repeatedly shove this bullshit down people's throats everyday and all day. We are all adults here, we have had sex education in schools, we see the HIV billboards, we here about death rates and infection rates, and by God we have people here in these forums preaching to the choir with all their energy everyday---it's all old news man....if someone still chooses to go out and be "reckless" then so be it----let them live with their "bad" decisions.

How would you feel if someone always told you (if you are/were a smoker) that you were going going to die from lung cancer; or if the straight people constantly yelled at you that you are sinning by being gay and that you would go to hell? Besides, they are only "pointing out risks and consequences", as you put it. Wouldn't you get sick of that shit eventually? Same here, if you want people to respect your habits and sexuality, etc----then do the same others, and stay out of their business! This isn't just directed towards you, so don't take it too personally----it applies to anyone with your similar views

 

[Xzilla7]

I think you guys have safe sex covered. You need to start working on your troll detection.

 

[dpnice]

............................But do it in your own house/apartment behind closed doors where you can yell as loud as you want....

...............................it's all old news man..............................if you want people to respect your habits and sexuality, etc----then do the same others, and stay out of their business!.........................................

So if I understand you those who have firm beliefs in something or wish to state their opinion on a well known subject should just creep into their bedroom, shut the door and whisper quietly.

Have you ever, perhaps, thought that you could just ignore this plethora of advice and opinion yourself rather than insisting that others shut the fuck up talking about this "old news".

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Sadly, there are quite a few porn stars who've wound up HIV+ from bareback anal scenes. . .straight women as well as gay men.

A lot of coal miners end up with black lung, been happening for a generation +, but if you found a mine hiring today there would be people lined out the door.
A lot of fisherman in Alaska get wiped out year after year as "Deadliest Catch" shows.
A lot of people that went to Vietnam or Iraq didn't make it back, or there life is fucked due to injury , it hasn't stopped people from joining the infantry.
A lot of people get blasted and mutilated dealing petty drugs on the corner, but it isn't stopping the flow of new low level dealers at a young age to getting into that illegal gig.
A lot of people get knocked off trying to climb Mt. Everest every year, and they pay big big ass dollars for the thrill. The terrible deaths and extreme conditions hasn't slowed down the flow of new hikers waiting for the thrill.
A lot of people get the shit kicked out of them, fucked up injured, & just dead working for the minimum wage at the local graveyard shift at 7-11, but there is no shortage of people hiring up for those great jobs.
A lot of people get in a car everyday and get wiped out or fubar'd in horrible ways but people get into cars. Much more dangerous then flying however no one gives it a second thought. Likely the majority of people know someone who has been maimed, killed, or in a severe auto accident
A lot of people shoot off big ass illegal dangerous fireworks on the 4th or New Years and get killed or burned up to live out their days, but they do it to see the sky flowers and pay big fucks to buy this shit. Laws and things don't stop them they do it because they want to.

...Point is not diminish the very real health threat of HIV however one must weigh out the risk verse return for whatever job or activity they decide to take and that is what a porn actor is , its a job.
There are a million examples of hobbies, jobs, & daily risk we take that we decide are worth the risk. Its a personal thing.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

If you are a slut, and are not safe, you should be shot as you are knowingly spreading a deadly disease which will eventually harm people who are not dirty sluts and may be lied to or ignorant of the fact.

If the OP was real, which he/she is not, they should be executed.

forget it!(*,)

 

[Críostóir]

So if I understand you those who have firm beliefs in something or wish to state their opinion on a well known subject should just creep into their bedroom, shut the door and whisper quietly.

Have you ever, perhaps, thought that you could just ignore this plethora of advice and opinion yourself rather than insisting that others shut the fuck up talking about this "old news".

You're missing the point, or deliberately ignoring it. Assuming the former: the point is, we've all heard about safe sex, just as everyone in America has now heard that some people believe that you'll go to Hell unless you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Does it annoy you when people come in when you're trying to have a conversation and say "you know, you'll go to Hell unless you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior"? It does me.

It also annoys me when people keep coming in whenever barebacking is being discussed or even mentioned, and ranting about safe sex and telling us we're all going to die horribly of HIV. No, we're not. Some of us are not barebacking, we're only discussing it. Others are taking precautions by doing it with only one person. Some have chosen to be bareback sluts in full knowledge of the risks (not me).

We ALL know the Gospel Of Safe Sex.

I know you think you're doing a valuable service by making sure you harsh the mellow whenever barebacking is discussed. Those Christian proselytizers think they're doing a valuable service too. In fact, you think you're saving lives--they think they're saving SOULS.

You're both wrong. You're being boring and annoying, to the point that I'd call what you're doing trolling. I just wish you'd go away.

 

[AllMan]

It also annoys me when people keep coming in whenever barebacking is being discussed or even mentioned, and ranting about safe sex and telling us we're all going to die horribly of HIV. No, we're not. Some of us are not barebacking, we're only discussing it. Others are taking precautions by doing it with only one person. Some have chosen to be bareback sluts in full knowledge of the risks (not me).

We ALL know the Gospel Of Safe Sex.

I know you think you're doing a valuable service by making sure you harsh the mellow whenever barebacking is discussed. Those Christian proselytizers think they're doing a valuable service too. In fact, you think you're saving lives--they think they're saving SOULS.

You're both wrong. You're being boring and annoying, to the point that I'd call what you're doing trolling. I just wish you'd go away.

Amen!

 

[bankside]

I actually find it boring and annoying when people get upset about hearing someone who doesn't agree with them. "I can't handle hearing something I didn't want to hear, and I don't know how to ignore someone. Wah."

That could be called "Self-affirming-perspective trolling."

People don't always agree. Oh. Well.

 

[Críostóir]

I actually find it boring and annoying when people get upset about hearing someone who doesn't agree with them. "I can't handle hearing something I didn't want to hear, and I don't know how to ignore someone. Wah."

That could be called "Self-affirming-perspective trolling."

People don't always agree. Oh. Well.

You're ignoring the point I just made, in an attempt to be obnoxious. Back under your bridge.