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Being a gay male is a life ruiner. Reddit post.

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6. How is it hard for gay men to go on vacation? Most of the homophobic countries in the world are shitholes and aren't worth visiting anyways; there are so many beautiful and tolerant countries worth spending your tourism dollars in. Even if you wanted to visit those craphole places then you'll probably be fine as long as you don't put your homosexuality on display.

And even what may look like a shithole country at first, can turn out to be a very liberal, tolerant society under a thin layer of religious veneer. Lots of "islamic" countries have a higher percentage of atheists than the USA. And the percentage of gays is the same everywhere.

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Taralen, how old are you, where do you live and what do you do for work?
 
I would say that my YouTube channel (link below) gives a good example of a thriving happy young gay couple (with one member being of color). Why not check it out real quick?

At the core, our lives are somewhat Heteronormative since we vlog a lot of our experiences/challenges and straight couples also usually go through like moving out of our parents, going on vacation, being in/just finishing school, figuring out how to cook together and small parties with our friends.

Don't get me wrong, some of my videos have a distinctly LGBT theme (like my crossdressing and dating advice ones hehe) but at the end of the day; we're really not much different than a straight couple in their early/mid 20's.

This may be controversial but I also made a video on "Gay Black Privelege" about a month ago, with me expressing my belief that gay black men have it easier than straight black men in some ways (corporate America, being perceived as less of a threat, etc).
 
My freshman year of college I finally admitted to myself that I was gay. Because I believed being gay was wrong, I decided I would just live a celibate life. I'd have a career, a home, friends, but just not love and I certainly wouldn't saddle some poor girl with a loveless marriage with me.
The next year I met and fell in love. Once it began to get serious, reality set it. I just knew this would ruin my life. Despite the fact I never really started living until I started college and the years before that were mostly hell, I was so scared of losing family and friends. I just couldn't see clearly how any good would come from loving a guy. I tried to run away from it, figuratively. The fact that he loved me unconditionally kept drawing me back to him. I realized early on he had no intentions of hiding who we were from anyone. That scared me, too. It also caused me to stand in awe of his courage and strength. A series of events happened that year that shook me to my core and convinced me that my life would never be the same if I gave myself completely to my boyfriend. I had a decision to make. As difficult as I thought it would be, I knew what I had to do. I loved him completely and surrendered to it. I chose to make a life with him no matter the consequences.
I did lose friends and family and took lots of abuse. It was painful. It has been worth it all. The friends I have now are better than any I could have ever imagined. The second generation of my family embrace not only me but my husband. Even to this day, occasionally I will look at my husband and I wonder what life would have been like if I had made the wrong decision. It makes me shudder.
Even apart from sexuality, life is rarely easy for anyone. We all have battles to fight, suffering to endure and lives to build.
No two people have the same life experiences. Straight people may not be able to understand the struggle of a gay man. As a white gay man, I might not be able to understand the struggles of a black gay male, either. But we'll never understand if we don't allow for communication and vulnerability with others.
Is it more difficult to be a gay male than a straight one? Undoubtedly, but it is who we are and we can be happy....more than happy being who we are.
 
Hey, life is what you make of it..

I'm gay (and also black) and made the universe work for me. The author of that article is stuck in a cycle of victimhood.

1. I'm openly gay at work and haven't been mistreated or discriminated at all (though I get snarky but harmless comments from one of the guys every now and then). I find that the office ladies actually like me more and find me more relatable compared to when I was in the closet. I think I actually have an advantage since the white folks supposedly find gay black men a little less threatening than straight ones.

2. I'm not involved in the gay community and have zero desire to be. I will agree that the gay community is messy, shady and high-drama but there's plenty of effeminate gay men with THRIVING social lives in the gay community. Based on my experience living between Manhattan and Fire Island, fems actually seem to be the ones that thrive the most in the gay community social circles.

3. Kids... I can really care less about parenting and paying any-high family health insurance premiums. Personally: I rather save my money, travel the world and stack up my retirement accounts.

4. I agree that most family act funny but usually there's at least a couple of relatives who are ride or die for you. Plus, my boyfriend and I are both established and independent so we don't have to rely on anybody. If they don't like us them they can screw themselves. Simple as that! As the saying goes, I have blood that's not family and family that's not blood.

5. I found a quality and loving boyfriend (who happens to be cute too). None of us are macho. We've been together for almost 2 years and are going strong!

6. How is it hard for gay men to go on vacation? Most of the homophobic countries in the world are shitholes and aren't worth visiting anyways; there are so many beautiful and tolerant countries worth spending your tourism dollars in. Even if you wanted to visit those craphole places then you'll probably be fine as long as you don't put your homosexuality on display.

7. I don't feel the need to make out and hold hands in public but I live in New York where people really don't care anyways (so I guess I'm lucky). I've held hands in public and I've rarely had anyone so much as bat an eye here in NY; tons of more taboo things going on in the city lol.

I already made a better post to reply to yours late last night, but my internet went out, so all those points I made are now gone. But I'm gonna try my best to carbon copy that post the best way I can.

1.I'm glad that you were able to find a safe workplace. I'm not working right now, I'm looking for work. When I do start to work again, I would hopefully like to be in a safe space to work at. So I'm proud of you for that.

Now with your second point that gay black men are less threatening. Perhaps they are, but not necessarily for the reasons you think, and I used to think.

I used to think that it's because gay black men are usually more contemporary and professional than straight black men are. They are more involved with the arts and I think many heteronormative black men get this bad image and rep that they shouldn't sadly.

Really to be honest, that's an assumed trait for any man presumed to be gay or is gay. He's more seen in a lighter shade than straight men in that regard as far as intimidation goes.

However, there is also a flip side to that. You are not seen as a threat yes, which there is pros to that. But there are more cons to that as well. You won't be seen as tough competition. "Oh he's just that bubbly gay black guy. I'm not scared of him. He's just confused and free spirited. It's okay." etc.

So I have to disagree with you on that.

2. I don't involve myself in the queer community really either. But even if I wanted to, which I attempt to, I cannot. They just do not like me, and I don't mix or match up with them all that well. I feel I'm too black and ghetto for the white queer community and events. I feel I'm too whitewashed and hipster for the black gay urban events they have.

So it's hard. Even though I identify as a feminine gay man, I don't want to only hang out with feminine gay men. I want to hang out with all types of gay men. Especially as I'm more attracted to more bear and chub guys. That's just me.

There is nothing wrong with feminine men, and I wouldn't mind hanging out with feminine men, but I want to hang out with all types of gay men.

So it would be nice to still be apart of the community.

3.I don't really want children either. As much as I love and respect children, I don't think I'm really father material and I could raise any of my own. But it's the fact even if I wanted children, I couldn't have any. Yes there is adoption and other advancements in technology that are still being developed, but. It's the fact my bloodline is going to stop with me. I don't have any younger siblings, so I feel this is the end of the tree with me. It's sort of hard to realize that but oh well.

Which is why I kinda want a boyfriend, as at least I will have him.

4.I do believe that you can have a group of friends that become your second family. But nothing beats a biological family that is your own sweat and blood. Being black and gay knowing that sadly your family doesn't accept you sometimes, it's tough.

Like you see in sitcoms and they all support each other, and the kind you see in movies and stuff where everyone is having thanksgiving and holiday dinners and stuff. Like you see in Modern Family and shit like that.

I am also that you found a partner. I am. But I'm alone. It's just me. So that's why most of my lamenting is due to the fact I am single, and feel despite my efforts which in tandem is due to being black and gay, it's hard for me to get what I want.

I feel yeah you can have a group of friends to makeup for that, but really nothing beats that.

5.That's nice. I am more attracted to masculine looking men, but that's just me. There is nothing wrong with feminine men. I wouldn't mind having feminine gay guys (and I have had them in the past) as friends. Being that I am a dorky Steve Urkel looking man, I feel like opposites attract in some cases. I am more attracted to guys opposite of me. The more thicker and stocky roughneck bear guys. Like teddy bear Fred Flintstone types. But he also has a Barney Rubble side to him as well, and still have a geeky or dorky and urban side to them. Like Rupert from Survivor if you want to keep it 100. Shit like that.

I am happy that you were able to find someone though. I am.

6.I agree. I feel the vacation point is kinda dismissive thinking about it now. True, you can just not show PDA and make it blatantly obvious you're a homosexual couple. So yes I agree with you on that.

But it still is something that really only us queer people have to deal with. So albeit it's a dismissive issue, it's still an issue.

7.I have nothing against PDA. The only thing I'm against is making out in public. In a club or something, that's okay though.

I have no problem with hand holding, maybe that creep hug that some guys to their girl if they are queing in a line or something, a quick peck or kiss, a girl sitting on her partners lap on a bench. A girl leaping onto her mans arms. A guy carrying his girl and flinging and twirling her around his back etc.

I think neither do most people.

Now with making out and feeling up on each other in public, I don't think is okay, and kinda pushing it.

In a nightclub or whatever. I don't mind. They can grind makeout, do whatever they want to do.

But with gay people, even two guys walking together is seen as suspect, and I don't like that shit. How society perceives stuff like that.

Shit like that, that I notice for gay men they can't do sorts of things like that at all. So it's more harsher for us. That's my only point.

I know Los Angeles is supposedly a more open minded place, but still. It's better to be safe than sorry.

I feel I would love for me any my hypothetical boyfriend to get high at the beach at night and just play in the sand. We can just say were friends and not a couple if people want to start shit.
 
^^ agree with you--I live in NYC and think what you say is correct---there are a lot of good people in the world and the ones who are going to hate you for whatever reason---they can fuck off----I spend a lot of time in Los Angeles---in West Hollywood area there are a lot of gay guys with the what can you do for me attitude. I hear there is a cool gay scene in Long Beach but never been there. Having said that I don't go to gay clubs at all---I have been in LA because my friend likes to go and I'm his house guest lol

I don't really care for west hollywood. Not because I was gay bashed in a harsh and humiliating way there, (as this misnomer that west hollywood is this gay oasis here in LA), but I feel it's for more white, fitness, GQ model, "ooh la la etc". type gays. I feel it's tough because LA is one of those areas to where in other parts of the country, being artsy and hipster would be considered gay, here it's not. There are many artsy and hipster straight guys here which make it harder to attest lol.

But I don't mix well with WEHO. I'm not those types of gay guys. I'm not any of that. I'm a more dorky and geeky yet mixed with ghetto and urban, "play by my own tune" gay black guy.

I live in Long Beach right now. I go to the 20 somethings group all the time on 4th st. They have a meeting tomorrow night, which I'm most likely not going to go. By chance, by those that do go, I'm "B", I'm the black guy with the horn rim glasses that's goes there sometimes. No offense, but to me personally, It's very cliquey to me and I'm wearing thin with that group and I don't know. But I have known other people that form bonds, so maybe it is sadly just me, and it's okay. But I'm living for myself and if I'm not happy, that's what matters.

It's not that I don't like gay clubs, I just feel I don't like them to meet a partner, well at least not for me. I feel there are men in general, not just gay guys, who have that charisma and spunk to find a partner in a club. I'm not one of them. It's not one of those things that usually generally everyone can do with enough desire. Even if you try your damnest to be, you will still fail. It works for some people, not for some. After I meet someone, I wouldn't mind kicking it in a club and turning up and getting loose.
 
Nonsense. We can have a promiscuous sex life as well as a long-term relationship. Just like the straight daddies who go to hookers. Only for us it's cheaper and the spouse can take part. We win!

I never said they couldn't.

I'm saying as you said with straight men, it's more atypical. In fact, it's not more atypical, it's just typical.

It's not out of the ordinary for men to go to an adults gentlemans/strip sports bar or club. (here in LA, there is one in every block almost) have a trophy wife, a mail order bride, multiple mistresses, hire a hooker for his birthday etc.

With gay men, it's a gamble and risk almost. We have to meet guys in sketchy locations, we have to go to a shower club or sex sauna (which to me is one the nastiest and dirtiest places ever in the world both mentally and physically) That belongs to us gay men. I can understand like a health spa or something like that. But this hole in the wall place where gay men have sex out in the open like that, (omg ugh. No thank you.)

We have grindr which to me is the worst app ever you can have. It's just ugh.

It seems in the gay aspect, it's just a lot worse and in a darker and sharper shade.
 
And even what may look like a shithole country at first, can turn out to be a very liberal, tolerant society under a thin layer of religious veneer. Lots of "islamic" countries have a higher percentage of atheists than the USA. And the percentage of gays is the same everywhere.

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Taralen, how old are you, where do you live and what do you do for work?

I'm in my late 20s. I live in Los Angeles, and I'm unemployed at the moment. I was in college and I changed my major a million times. I dropped out having an undeclared major. I'm not interested in learning any trades or going back to school really. What will I study? I'm not going to study or spend time on a job I'm not gonna like. I was contemplating on working for the Post Office, but I changed my mind due to how high profile and stressful a job like that would be.

Being not only black and gay, but autistic and having mental disorders, makes it harder for me to find a job I would like.

I was working at a hotel in the Hollywood area that I got fired from, but alas.

I'm currently looking for work doing anything entry level. Dishwashing, office janitor work, retail work, warehouse work, call center stuff etc. Whatever.
 
I never said they couldn't.

I'm saying as you said with straight men, it's more atypical. In fact, it's not more atypical, it's just typical.

It's not out of the ordinary for men to go to an adults gentlemans/strip sports bar or club. (here in LA, there is one in every block almost) have a trophy wife, a mail order bride, multiple mistresses, hire a hooker for his birthday etc.

With gay men, it's a gamble and risk almost. We have to meet guys in sketchy locations, we have to go to a shower club or sex sauna (which to me is one the nastiest and dirtiest places ever in the world both mentally and physically) That belongs to us gay men. I can understand like a health spa or something like that. But this hole in the wall place where gay men have sex out in the open like that, (omg ugh. No thank you.)

We have grindr which to me is the worst app ever you can have. It's just ugh.

It seems in the gay aspect, it's just a lot worse and in a darker and sharper shade.

I'm like scrolling down the page and all I see is a wall of excuses. I'm gay, black and pretty nerdy looking too but I navigated my way through things and you can too.

If you walk around with such a pessimistic attitude then you're gonna repel people. With a pessimistic attitude, you're also gonna look for a "confirmation bias" so you will always look for reasons why you can't do something instead of why you can do something. Do you realize that you've generalized other gay men on countless occassions in this thread just like how you claim they're generalizing you..

Your best bet is to make an OkCupid. I've met PLENTY of guys who wanted something serious and didn't want to meet up in sketchy places. If you're on Grindr or Craigslist then you're mostly gonna get dirtbags. I've had e serious romances in my life and my first date was at the mall in broad daylight with all of them.
 
Some of those gay guys walking around West Hollywood that you're judging as "fitness GQ models" may be some of the biggest geeks and nerds in existence but you wouldn't know that until you got to know them.
 
I avoided reading this thread because i disagree with it. If you are gay, that is your life, accept it and make of it what you want. Playing the blame game only goes so far. Eventually one has to take responsibility for their own life.

Misery is a life ruiner too.
 
I'm like scrolling down the page and all I see is a wall of excuses. I'm gay, black and pretty nerdy looking too but I navigated my way through things and you can too.

If you walk around with such a pessimistic attitude then you're gonna repel people. With a pessimistic attitude, you're also gonna look for a "confirmation bias" so you will always look for reasons why you can't do something instead of why you can do something. Do you realize that you've generalized other gay men on countless occassions in this thread just like how you claim they're generalizing you..

Your best bet is to make an OkCupid. I've met PLENTY of guys who wanted something serious and didn't want to meet up in sketchy places. If you're on Grindr or Craigslist then you're mostly gonna get dirtbags. I've had e serious romances in my life and my first date was at the mall in broad daylight with all of them.

I'm proud that you are happy in your life I am.

But you're telling me to compare myself to you, yet not? I don't understand. We are all different.

I can't live your life, I have to live mine. Just because you are black and gay and nerdy like myself, (which is nice), that doesn't mean I have to life the same life as you, or that I am.

It's not that, I just hate getting my hopes up and stuff.

Fuck Okcupid. Got ghosted one too many times on that fucking app.
 
Some of those gay guys walking around West Hollywood that you're judging as "fitness GQ models" may be some of the biggest geeks and nerds in existence but you wouldn't know that until you got to know them.

I want a more unconventional guy sorry.

I don't want a slim dorky guy like Neil Patrick Harris or Sam Smith or Jim Parsons or any of that shit. No thank you.

I want a man damn it.

That's all WEHO has. Is what I mentioned above.

Like a more mature goofy daddy like Neil Hamburger.

Or I want him to be like a mix of a pudgy dorky chub geek. Like Jack Black.

Or a big jumbo bearded bear guy like a Bluto and Wimpy and Popeye all mixed together, like Nick Frost.

Maybe a combination or a prototype of all that god willing. Yes.
 
I avoided reading this thread because i disagree with it. If you are gay, that is your life, accept it and make of it what you want. Playing the blame game only goes so far. Eventually one has to take responsibility for their own life.

Misery is a life ruiner too.

But it's still a life ruiner. Fuck the fact if you have to accept it.

If you have a fucking happy life and a man, then good for you.

If I had a boyfriend and was happy, and not a miserable black gay guy everybody hated, my ass would probably put my profile on ignore and ignore this thread as well.

I don't like your bitchly attitude. I really don't.
 
I'm proud that you are happy in your life I am.

But you're telling me to compare myself to you, yet not? I don't understand. We are all different.

I can't live your life, I have to live mine. Just because you are black and gay and nerdy like myself, (which is nice), that doesn't mean I have to life the same life as you, or that I am.

It's not that, I just hate getting my hopes up and stuff.

Fuck Okcupid. Got ghosted one too many times on that fucking app.

True, we're not the same person. I don't really like comparing myself to others either but i'm just saying that I don't see why I can't be used as some kind of model for finding success since we happen to have a lot of the same obstacles that you've cited (gay, black, young, nerdy, liberal states, LTR-minded, etc).

Personally, if I was in a position where I wanted to improve something that I was doing then then I would find the most comparable person to me, analyze them and see what exactly they're doing differently than me to determine wht they're achieving such significantly different results.

I think this is also why I'm so fascinated with this thread.
 
True, we're not the same person. I don't really like comparing myself to others either but i'm just saying that I don't see why I can't be used as some kind of model for finding success since we happen to have a lot of the same obstacles that you've cited (gay, black, young, nerdy, liberal states, LTR-minded, etc).

Personally, if I was in a position where I wanted to improve something that I was doing then then I would find the most comparable person to me, analyze them and see what exactly they're doing differently than me to determine wht they're achieving such significantly different results.

I think this is also why I'm so fascinated with this thread.

Because I feel you're more calm and level headed than me.

I'm not at that calm sophisticated "gaybro" group like you. you. Yet I'm not necessarily at that ghetto Rupaul diva group either. It's complicated as to where I fit.

I envy you and feel you have it more easier to fit in with gay culture than I do.

The only issue, is that we are all different. I can't make myself like that, I just can't.

So I feel screwed and stuck.

I feel lost and misunderstood.
 
I look at this blog sometimes for motivation. But I don't know if any of these fucking people are actors. So I took it off my signature
http://colorfulqueers.tumblr.com/archive

But I want a boyfriend so fucking much. Someone hit me the fuck up. (Bears, more stocky guys that are kinda geeky are bonus) that are attracted to gay black feminine slender guys. JUB has been around for a long fucking time. Ugh.
 
But it's still a life ruiner. Fuck the fact if you have to accept it.

If you have a fucking happy life and a man, then good for you.

If I had a boyfriend and was happy, and not a miserable black gay guy everybody hated, my ass would probably put my profile on ignore and ignore this thread as well.

I don't like your bitchly attitude. I really don't.
Nobody here hates you except you. You are still young but you will learn; with age comes self acceptance, respect and peace. I just hope you learn that while you have some life left to enjoy. Remember, like attracts like. Happy people want to be around happy people. Try it.
 
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