Being a gay male is a life ruiner. Reddit post.

[Taralen]

You're calling us to unite, after posting that disgustingly divisive video?

It wasn't a divisive video. It was about a gay black comedian/actor posting his melodramatic experiences with the gay community. I agree with it.

 

[Kulindahr]

It wasn't a divisive video. It was about a gay black comedian/actor posting his melodramatic experiences with the gay community. I agree with it.

If that was supposed to be comedy, he needs a new job.

 

[refujiunderground]

For kids, yes. Anyone old enough to be on this board should be an adult.

Which is why I said he needs to grow up and take hold of his life, and stop thinking that bigots' opinions are valuable.

I read something different from what you're writing.

And he is right. You are indeed speaking from your experience from the perspective of white privilege. Unlike him as a black male, he doesn't have the privilege you do when it comes to ignoring prejudice as a black male as it usually goes hand in hand with discrimination. He can't avoid it because it's likely to appear in his quality of life.

You basically would ignore someone if they made a derogatory comment about you being white because you aren't facing any discrimination or less likely to experience prejudice for having white skin. So you're basically trying to apply the same experience with that with your experience as a lgbt person which is entirely different. He is more inclined to be more sensitive towards it because he has to deal with it 24/7 as a black male even within the gay communitym. Proof of that is in this thread. I often see many gay white guys ready to be dismissive of non white lgbt people and their struggles and putting yourselves and other white lgbt people first. Basically a US and THEM mentality. You want us to basically bow down to you, march behind you, and etc when the whole gay discrimination thing involves ya but ya are nowhere to be found or could give a fuck less if it's a black, nonwhite latino, asian, native American or nonwhite lgbt person caught up unless ya can manipulate it for your own benefit as white lgbt persons. That shit needs to stop. Ya also need to stop treating us non white lgbt people like we aren't apart of the community. All ready to acknowledge the existence of nonwhites when they are homophobes though.

Gay rights, discrimination and prejudice shouldn't be something centered around white people. Make no mistake about it. Check yourself, breh.

 

[Kabluey]

You don't get to join a community (although I'm not sure that there is a gay community outside of a small smattering of neighbourhoods around the world), by continually hating on it.
People who are feeling alone or ostracised need to make steps to talk to other people, to get out and expose themselves to others, and trying trusting people. There will be some people (not all), who will appreciate it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Unfortunately that won't happen, the 2 people in this thread will continue blaming the World for all their problems instead of doing anything about anything because it is easier than actually dealing with life. They are both children that need to grow up.

 

[Taralen]

You don't get to join a community (although I'm not sure that there is a gay community outside of a small smattering of neighbourhoods around the world), by continually hating on it.
People who are feeling alone or ostracised need to make steps to talk to other people, to get out and expose themselves to others, and trying trusting people. There will be some people (not all), who will appreciate it.

Who am I hating on? I feel alone because I get rejected all the time. So I play the victim, which I feel I should be allowed to.

Unfortunately that won't happen, the 2 people in this thread will continue blaming the World for all their problems instead of doing anything about anything because it is easier than actually dealing with life. They are both children that need to grow up.

I'm grown. I'm a man.

We just had a traumatic event effecting everyone in this "community". We need to self reflect for a minute and unite.

 

[medic1]

^But your "rally cries" are not uniting they are at best one of your drama moments. This thread was about a Reddit post. As i have said before i always follow your threads. The insight they give me wavers between incredulous and amazement at your behaviour.

Oh yeah, i did remember to check my "White privilege" at the door.

Christ in a handbasket.

 

[Taralen]

^But your "rally cries" are not uniting they are at best one of your drama moments. This thread was about a Reddit post. As i have said before i always follow your threads. The insight they give me wavers between incredulous and amazement at your behaviour.

Oh yeah, i did remember to check my "White privilege" at the door.

Christ in a handbasket.

Yes it was about a reddit post, which in turn lead to further discussion.

Sadly, just so happened the unfortunate event that happened yesterday now makes everything make sense.

 

[medic1]

Well calling that fucking outrage an unfortunate event just makes that empathy burst right out of you.

How does what that murderous bastard did yesterday, Now makes everything make sense?

I really am curious as to how and why you came to this conclusion.

 

[refujiunderground]

You don't get to join a community (although I'm not sure that there is a gay community outside of a small smattering of neighbourhoods around the world), by continually hating on it.
People who are feeling alone or ostracised need to make steps to talk to other people, to get out and expose themselves to others, and trying trusting people. There will be some people (not all), who will appreciate it.

You are IGNORING the fact that there is a lot of infighting within the community already over the same shallow, simple minded shit that we've been under attack from the outside which has formed us to become a community due to rejection from society.

Enough of this selectivness in terms of noticing things when you think it's appropriate or beneficial towards just yourself. That's wack. We have too many gay men making something that involves all of us about them and expecting everyone to hold their asses up while they give nothing back. We have a lot of gay guys that do that too. They wanna reap the benefits but they don't wanna do shit when it comes time to do it.

 

[Taralen]

Well calling that fucking outrage an unfortunate event just makes that empathy burst right out of you.

How does what that murderous bastard did yesterday, Now makes everything make sense?

I really am curious as to how and why you came to this conclusion.

Because this whole thread was me trying to explain that we as gay men are at a dangerous place right now.

People just ignored that, and said I was just being weak and being defeatist, and everyone is all happy happy, joy joy. Kumbaya. No it's not.

 

[rareboy]

You want a dangerous place?

Try New Orleans, 1973.

The Upstairs Lounge Fire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack

That was a dangerous place and time.

And at that time, they couldn't even get families to claim the bodies or churches to bury them.

The sooner that the US southern Baptist church and some of the other hardline religious communities finally embraces homos in the US, the sooner that it will be safe for homos in the US to live without constant fear.

 

[Taralen]

You want a dangerous place?

Try New Orleans, 1973.

The Upstairs Lounge Fire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack

That was a dangerous place and time.

And at that time, they couldn't even get families to claim the bodies or churches to bury them.

The sooner that the US southern Baptist church and some of the other hardline religious communities finally embraces homos in the US, the sooner that it will be safe for homos in the US to live without constant fear.

I have never heard of that story, thank you for showcasing that.

The cause of fire has never and probably won't ever be known due to how long ago it happened and the circumstances. They don't know if someone smoking a cigarette caused it, a gay guy who was banned from the place took out his anger, or if it was a homophobia based attack.

Other than that, I kinda see what you were trying to prove, and I agree on that.

 

[Kulindahr]

I read something different from what you're writing.

And he is right. You are indeed speaking from your experience from the perspective of white privilege. Unlike him as a black male, he doesn't have the privilege you do when it comes to ignoring prejudice as a black male as it usually goes hand in hand with discrimination. He can't avoid it because it's likely to appear in his quality of life.

You basically would ignore someone if they made a derogatory comment about you being white because you aren't facing any discrimination or less likely to experience prejudice for having white skin. So you're basically trying to apply the same experience with that with your experience as a lgbt person which is entirely different. He is more inclined to be more sensitive towards it because he has to deal with it 24/7 as a black male even within the gay communitym. Proof of that is in this thread. I often see many gay white guys ready to be dismissive of non white lgbt people and their struggles and putting yourselves and other white lgbt people first. Basically a US and THEM mentality. You want us to basically bow down to you, march behind you, and etc when the whole gay discrimination thing involves ya but ya are nowhere to be found or could give a fuck less if it's a black, nonwhite latino, asian, native American or nonwhite lgbt person caught up unless ya can manipulate it for your own benefit as white lgbt persons. That shit needs to stop. Ya also need to stop treating us non white lgbt people like we aren't apart of the community. All ready to acknowledge the existence of nonwhites when they are homophobes though.

Gay rights, discrimination and prejudice shouldn't be something centered around white people. Make no mistake about it. Check yourself, breh.

If I'm also speaking from my experience, it would be of being only one of three white guys in a community that was black as far as I could see in every direction. We got spit on, shoved to the back of every line, etc. etc. etc.

But no, I'm speaking from my learning of standard psychology: the other guy's words only have the power you give them. And you know who I heard that most strongly from? A black inner-city pastor in St. Louis, Missouri. I suppose he must have been speaking from his "white privilege".

That's how MLK could stand up and lead against whites: he denied the power of racist words; he didn't whine about being a victim.

As for your racist screed... not worth a response.

 

[Kulindahr]

Because this whole thread was me trying to explain that we as gay men are at a dangerous place right now.

People just ignored that, and said I was just being weak and being defeatist, and everyone is all happy happy, joy joy. Kumbaya. No it's not.

You're conflating two issues again.

And you were being defeatist -- your stance was, "Oh, I wish I wasn't gay!" That's really productive.

After that, your post is just your own imagination at work.

 

[Taralen]

You're conflating two issues again.

And you were being defeatist -- your stance was, "Oh, I wish I wasn't gay!" That's really productive.

After that, your post is just your own imagination at work.

WHAT?!?!?

Saying, "I wish I wasn't gay", is not being defeatist. You cannot wish homosexuality away or upon to you. It's just the way you are. You're either gay or not. If you're gay, you're gay. You can pretend to be someone you're not, but you're still gay.

I could say, "I wish I had a million dollars". Which you of course cannot wish funds or money to yourself. But it's not being a defeatist. You continue to go to work and live life as normal.

I'm not being a defeatist, just because that's how you perceive it.

 

[Taralen]

For kids, yes. Anyone old enough to be on this board should be an adult.

Which is why I said he needs to grow up and take hold of his life, and stop thinking that bigots' opinions are valuable.

It's not just words. It's non physical violence that sometimes you don't even see. It's not about growing up, or having thick skin.

The fact you can get fired for being gay because of the types of clothes you wear, or your voice, or because you looked at someone the wrong way.

All violence that isn't physical.

 

[Draven]

^I really do follow your threads with great interest, they give me an insight into the life of an African American i would not otherwise have. And for that i thank you.

However, don't you think you seem to be playing this all encompassing "victim" so much, that it may have clouded your judgement to the fact that there are indeed decent white guys out there. Who have no hidden agenda?

It's easy to feel like the penultimate victim when you live in an area wherein you are not 100% in compliance with the "hetero norm" then you are branded an outcast and shunned (only in much less theatrical terms). I've dated primarily White and Hispanic guys, mostly Hispanic men though most of my life and even by 2016 I still find it hard to see the "decent white guy" when most (of the ones in my area) are of the "let's shoot 'em up", skinhead, get drunk and beat my wife variety...and then there are gay White men which (I won't elaborate on because Kane, Refuji and Taralen have already covered that topic to a degree), needless to say because I am light-skinned these guys feel like they can automatically confide in me their racist and biased way of thinking which. But my point is it's hard to even want to look for the decency in a guy when you're turned off by their bigotry, and when it keeps happening time and time again you start to think that maybe there just aren't any decent White guys (where I live).

 

[medic1]

^Thanks for taking the time to give me an explanation. From what i have learned since being on JUB, this really does seem like a huge problem. Please don't think we are all arseholes, or bigots, racists.

 

[refujiunderground]

If I'm also speaking from my experience, it would be of being only one of three white guys in a community that was black as far as I could see in every direction. We got spit on, shoved to the back of every line, etc. etc. etc.

But no, I'm speaking from my learning of standard psychology: the other guy's words only have the power you give them. And you know who I heard that most strongly from? A black inner-city pastor in St. Louis, Missouri. I suppose he must have been speaking from his "white privilege".

That's how MLK could stand up and lead against whites: he denied the power of racist words; he didn't whine about being a victim.

As for your racist screed... not worth a response.

You can't be serious.


Let me guess. You're one of those cisgendered white masculine guys who nobody knows is bisexual so you never had to worry about shit.


And what you did mentioning the black pastor is basically some racist shit. Talking about not worth a response when you actually did already. Thank you for proving for my point. You are a fake intellectual.