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[falconfan]

They kept Michele because Michele won competitions and Jordan didn't except the one Jeff threw to her so Jordan was looked at as someone easy to beat in the final HOH. Surprisingly Jordan actually won that last HOH out of no where. In the end though Natalie was a better player and deserved to win over Jordan and in my book got farther than her because she would've if the Coup wasn't thrown in to help Jeff and Jordan. Jordan and Dick are the two least deserving winners in BB history.

If Michelle won the final HOH she probably would've evicted Kevin over Gnat. Natalie still would've lost but she also would've lost to Kevin. I honestly can't think of a single person who she could've beat. Her problem was she never even attempted to socialize with the other side of the house.

Also to this very day I will contend that the single most F'ed up instance of jury tampering was in the season Adam won. Where Sharon would've one HOH is the hamsters didn't "have a pre-existing relationship." However instead she got evicted that week.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Yes to falconfan and slipintothefog. Even if you're a Natalie fan who can't see that she couldn't win against anyone left in the game, you only need to look at the most damning proof. Jessie. Fucking Jessie voted against her. If your #1 ally isn't voting for you and several people outright hate you, you have no realistic chance of winning.

There are degrees of unlikable people, but Natalie is in the very select group that had no chance of victory. The difference between say someone like Ivette on Season 5 who only lost by one vote, and someone like Natalie who barely got two votes (Russell wouldn't have voted for her had the alternative been almost anyone other than Jordan) is the difference between "came close to winning" and "could never really win." Had Ivette gone to the F2 with James, or Howie, or Rachel, it's conceivable that the four Nerd Herds on the jury would have voted for her to win. You can't say that about Natalie.

Every season there is at least one person with a good chance of going to the end despite ZERO chance of winning. That was Natalie on BB11 and I'm calling it right now that it's Crazy Pants Danielle this season.

 

[slipintothefog]

BB13's was Adam, right? Despite his own delusions of him winning if Rachel didn't evict him in third place...

Also I'm so mixed on the BB11's coup since it's been brought up on this page. Yeah it fucked with the game... but Jessie being there in the first place fucked with the game too. It was basically like a twist to undo a twist.

 

[falconfan]

I actually think that Dani could beat Ashley or Jenn if they continue to do absolutely nothing. She doesn't stand a chance against any of her allies. But if her alliance gets wiped out and she manages to float to the end she might just earn Shane, Dan, Britt and Ian's votes. I don't really foress that happening and if she's sitting next to someone like Frank or maybe even Joe then she'd still be toast but I don't think she's hopeless.

Also if she breaks final five I think she's golden until the end.

But what puzzles me most is why everyone wants to work with Shane. Both Frank and Joe want to make final three deals with him and Britt (in Frank's case after he gets Dan out). Why would you make yourself a third wheel in a final three agreement? And why against a person like Shane, who as a strong performer, could give you a real run for your money in a jury. Someone like Dani who can do decent in comps but gets no respect is probably a better ally to bring with you.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I actually think that Dani could beat Ashley or Jenn if they continue to do absolutely nothing. She doesn't stand a chance against any of her allies. But if her alliance gets wiped out and she manages to float to the end she might just earn Shane, Dan, Britt and Ian's votes. I don't really foress that happening and if she's sitting next to someone like Frank or maybe even Joe then she'd still be toast but I don't think she's hopeless.

I have a hunch based on the interactions on the feeds that they all find her super annoying and wouldn't vote for her if it came to that. Britney/Dan/Shane constantly make fun of her neuroses in ways that may seem harmless, but I think it belies how they really feel about her. I don't think Ian would vote for her against anyone except maybe Jenn (and that's only based on Jenn's play so far). He actually likes Ashley etc.

But what puzzles me most is why everyone wants to work with Shane. Both Frank and Joe want to make final three deals with him and Britt (in Frank's case after he gets Dan out). Why would you make yourself a third wheel in a final three agreement? And why against a person like Shane, who as a strong performer, could give you a real run for your money in a jury. Someone like Dani who can do decent in comps but gets no respect is probably a better ally to bring with you.

Shane is good at comps but he doesn't come across like a champ. Did you see what Britney said about him in the DR on tonight's show? That's pretty much how everyone talks about Shane in the house. That he's an airhead who can't make his own decisions and has to be directed by Dan and Britney. He's coming across like Ryan on BB9 who could certainly win a lot of comps, but who always seemed like the tag-along to Adam i.e. one who didn't have a mind of his own. And we know how that turned out for Ryan.

BB13's was Adam, right?

Yes I would say so.

 

[RRUGER]

i heard shane has been OUTING himself

can someone tell me the gay slips that shane has been saying

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I'm not a Natalie fan but she's a much better player and way more deserving winner than Jordan. Jesse didn't vote for Natalie because Natalie left Jesse a mean goodbye message. It was stupid and I don't know why she did it to one of her best friends in the house but I remember Natalie talking about it a lot in the feeds. If the coup was never used, Chima would still be in the game. Chima, Kevin, and Jesse were her closes allies in the house. Chima would've tried to get people to vote to keep Natalie. If Jesse voted for Natalie I think Lydia would've because Lydia was Jesse's bitch. I think if the coup wasn't used and Natalie didn't leave the mean goodbye message I could totally see her winning. Whether she could win or not she was one of the smartest players that season and more deserving than Jordan who did nothing all season. To me, Kevin was the smartest player that season, then Jessie, then Natalie.

OK but...that's not what we're talking about? We're talking about the way things actually went down, not the way they went down in Pretend Land.

 

[Adrock-JD]

Britney told Shane that the order of comps matters a great deal. Whether Hoh is physical or mental (quiz) and the same for Pov.
She said, whatever "behoves" production.

Obviously, they know who's good at physical vs mental comps and vice a versa and can use the ordering to try and keep or oust a player.

 

[Adrock-JD]

i heard shane has been OUTING himself

can someone tell me the gay slips that shane has been saying

I wasn't aware he was ever IN.

 

[Aratron]

Yes to falconfan and slipintothefog. Even if you're a Natalie fan who can't see that she couldn't win against anyone left in the game, you only need to look at the most damning proof. Jessie. Fucking Jessie voted against her. If your #1 ally isn't voting for you and several people outright hate you, you have no realistic chance of winning.

There are degrees of unlikable people, but Natalie is in the very select group that had no chance of victory. The difference between say someone like Ivette on Season 5 who only lost by one vote, and someone like Natalie who barely got two votes (Russell wouldn't have voted for her had the alternative been almost anyone other than Jordan) is the difference between "came close to winning" and "could never really win." Had Ivette gone to the F2 with James, or Howie, or Rachel, it's conceivable that the four Nerd Herds on the jury would have voted for her to win. You can't say that about Natalie.

Every season there is at least one person with a good chance of going to the end despite ZERO chance of winning. That was Natalie on BB11 and I'm calling it right now that it's Crazy Pants Danielle this season.

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And I'm not sure about Ivette's chances with James, Rachel or Howie in the F2. April and Jennifer didn't seem to be fond of her.

I'm not a Natalie fan but she's a much better player and way more deserving winner than Jordan. Jesse didn't vote for Natalie because Natalie left Jesse a mean goodbye message. It was stupid and I don't know why she did it to one of her best friends in the house but I remember Natalie talking about it a lot in the feeds.

Well, there's your answer, she sucked at the social game. The game is not only about making moves

 

[slipintothefog]

Ivette winning against one of the Sov 6 would really depend on how much mind fuckery Maggie held over the rest of the Nerd Herd, since they were all ready to die on their cross for her and if she wanted Ivette to win, they probably would have all obeyed her.

The funny thing about the "Ivette winning" scenario is that she actually really could have, but the rumor is that Rachel was so pissed off at Ivette after her goodbye message and hated her so much in general that she not only voted against Ivette, but told Howie that she would never speak to him again if he voted for Ivette like he was planning to do, and so that's why he changed his vote for Maggie too.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

And I'm not sure about Ivette's chances with James, Rachel or Howie in the F2. April and Jennifer didn't seem to be fond of her.

Rachel didn't have relationships with any of the Nerd Herders and Howie's "Busto" rant and general bullying might have been enough to push April and Jenn away. I'm not saying Ivette definitely would've won, but if she could get 3 votes against Maggie (from the likes of Janelle no less) it's not implausible that her team would vote for her over someone outside their alliance, especially in a season as sharply divided as -- yes thanks for the reminder -- Season 6. That's different from Natalie who had no chance of winning with any combination of realistic finalists.

 

[slipintothefog]

Well, Janelle fucking hated Maggie and actually liked Ivette the most of the Nerd Herd. I kind of did too actually, other than her slurs against Kaysar... and while that's horrible, it's still not Maggie admitting that she's a fucking sociopath who purposely let patients die as she watched.

And it's okay, Pepper, BB6 is BB5 if we all ignore BB1 like we rightfully should.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Ivette was certainly more fun to watch than Maggie. Obviously the latter was a better player but god what a self-righteous snooze as far as TV goes. Ivette on the other hand gave us loud hilarious DR's, childish fights, tantrums, paranoia, insecurity and every manner of bitchery you could imagine.

Like slipintofog once said (awesomely) in defense of Rachel: "The bitch entertains me and that's all I ask."

(This is also why I hope Danielle makes it to F2 this season and like falconfan, I think she will).

 

[slipintothefog]

Also never gets old.

 

[joesman]

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Two of the best goodbye messages ever. I got such a hoot out of those.

 

[diamondstar]

I really hope Britney or Shane go home next. I don't see Frank making it any further than next week, but if he could send one of them packing, it would please me to no end. Have fun in Jury Ash, miss you girl

 

[slipintothefog]

Whither Sgt Pepper to join me and Britney in a Chilltown-esque cackle over Boogie's eviction?

 

[Lostlover]

Ridiculous.

The message from the evictions is that if you play you're done.

I can wait until Ian's ass is booted. And then Dan's. Both are lying sacks of shit.

I'm going for Frank. First time this season rooting for someone.

What's with that dumb ass audience laughing at Joe and that blond chick's comments? Those are definitely fanboys in that audience. Crap wasn't funny or entertaining.

And I barely just learned Ashley's name. Goodbye! Bet you wished you played the game now.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Whither Sgt Pepper to join me and Britney in a Chilltown-esque cackle over Boogie's eviction?

Oh you know I'm cackling like a fat crazy bitch.