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[falconfan]

THere's avery interesting conversation happening between Shane and Dani right now. Shane is telling Dani that he values her more than Britt and if Brit is the replacement nom he's voting to keep Dani. He then went on to talk about his noms if he wins next week (and BD's Frank). He said he'd put up Dan and Joe and Dani points out Dan won't be here. Shane says that he's counting on Dan being here...

I find all of this really weird. There's always the chance he's lying to Dani to make it seem like he's on Dan/Dani's side but I don't know if that's the case because A) Shane doesn't have that kinda game B) He could just as easily tell her that he's keeping her no matter what, and leave it at that if he wants to see Dan leave.

 

[falconfan]

Britney and Ian agreed one of them (Britney/Dani/Shane) has to win POV so they can keep their options open. Britney and Shane are not throwing it. Brit and Ian have definitely formed a side alliance that doesn't include Dan and they agreed it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Dan got evicted this week.

Brit and Ian formed a final two deal about when Janelle went home. I never heard it come up again so I figured it had been kinda fleeting.

And yes, Britney/Shane/Ian are just promising Frank the world for no but they're clearly going to backdoor him next week if they get the chance. Frank is too big a target now. There's NOTHING he could do to secure safety or real deals from any of these people. He has to win comps to get to the end.

Which is exactly why he should be targeting the people who have been winning comps.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

THere's avery interesting conversation happening between Shane and Dani right now. Shane is telling Dani that he values her more than Britt and if Brit is the replacement nom he's voting to keep Dani. He then went on to talk about his noms if he wins next week (and BD's Frank). He said he'd put up Dan and Joe and Dani points out Dan won't be here. Shane says that he's counting on Dan being here...

Shane tells everybody what they want to hear so I wouldn't put too much stock into anything he's saying. If Brit walked into the room after Danielle left, he'd have the same convo with her, only switch "Danielle" for "Britney."

Also, it's clear the Quackers (minus Ian) are all scrambling because they know one of them is going home this week and nobody wants to be that one. So Britney is bullshitting Frank and trying to keep her options open with Ian, Dani & Shane are bullshitting each other even more than usual, and Dan is bullshitting all of them that he'll throw POV to Shane/Britney so they can all be safe but that's just security in case one of them wins POV over him.

Basically NONE of these convos mean anything until after the POV tomorrow.

Which is exactly why he should be targeting the people who have been winning comps.

I completely agree. For someone like Frank, Shane and Danielle should be his targets before Dan. Sure Dan wants him out but they all want him out. So he might as well just go after the ones more likely to win a comp. He has an irrational dislike for Dan (to the point where I'm pretty certain he'd vote for ANYONE to win over Dan if he were on the jury) and it's clouding his judgment.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

What I want to know is, are there rules for how Ian is supposed to use the extra POV this week? Probably not since Grodner's clearly making this up as she goes along, but what I mean is, if a non-nominee wins POV tomorrow, do they have to decide whether they're using it at the POV ceremony before or after Ian decides whether he's using his?

Let me go with a hypothetical. Say Shane wins POV tomorrow. At the POV ceremony, do both Shane and Ian have to stand up and say whether they'll use their POV or not at the same time? If Shane uses the POV on Danielle let's say, does Ian only have the option to use the POV on Dan thereby giving Frank two replacement nominees to name? Or can Ian decide not to use it on Dan but reserve the right to wait and see who the replacement nominee for Danielle is, and still have the option to use it on that person?

If that's the case, then Shane winning POV would make it easy for Ian to keep all the Quackers in the game without having to use the POV on Dan and upsetting Frank. For example, Ian could tell Frank before hand, "Shane is going to use the POV on Danielle and I don't want Britney to go up so just put Joe up. If you put Britney up, I'll have to use my POV on her." That way, Frank names Joe as the replacement nominee against Dan, Ian doesn't have to use his POV, and on Thursday the Quackers blindside Joe/Frank but evicting Joe.

My point to this is...there might be a way for Ian to leverage this but it really matters what the rules are for how Ian can use his POV and who knows if BB has even thought that far ahead.

 

[Adrock-JD]

Sounds like Pandora's Box was for an extra veto before nominations and Ian won.

I'm really starting to believe the show isn't rigged for one person to win but for two different sides of the house to stay as long as possible.

Of course it's manipulated to keep two rivalries in play.
Remember it isn't a game show with contestants from the public, it's a reality style show with cast members playing competitions.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Well Joe was NOT picked to play for POV so that means he won't be winning it and will be eligible to go up. Now all we need is for Frank NOT to win it. Dan has already talked to Jenn about using the POV on Danielle -- who Jenn likes -- and Jenn agreed. So it seems if anyone but Frank wins it, there's a good chance it could be used.

Dan/Ian are banking on the deal Frank has with Britney/Shane to come through. And it looks like Ian has thought of the same thing I said above (i.e. not using the extra POV thereby not upsetting Frank while still saving the Quack Pack this wee) cuz he told Dan not to throw the POV comp. Obviously he's hoping Dan or Danielle win POV so Joe goes up and is evicted. In that scenario, Ian wouldn't even have to vote out Joe cuz the Quack would have three votes to save their own and Ian could still maintain "innocence" with Frank and double agent status (which is pretty fucking amazing that it hasn't been revealed yet).

If Shane or Britney win POV it becomes more complicated, because they would have to use both POVs, and expose themselves to Frank. Like falconfan said above, it's in Britney and Shane's best interest to throw it if they want to save the Quack but I don't think they know for sure they want to save the alliance, and they're not 100% comfortable Frank wouldn't put them up.

Let's just hope Dan wins it and moreover that Frank doesn't.

 

[Wcw10891]

i think it would probably be better for the quack pack to just drop dan this week, cause they would still have the numbers still with dani, ian brit and shane, vs jenn frank and joe, but joe goes back and forth, the same as jenn. i think we are gonna have another double eviction night soon, and i think frank could go in one of those.

 

[falconfan]

The only one of the quackers I think that benefits from Dan staying is Shane just because Shane needs another big target on his side of the house . And even that isn't a HUGE benefit. Maybe Dani should try and keep him but even for her it's not necessary. Just about everyone wants to drag her to the final two so keeping him there only makes her a backup target for Dan.

That being said, I like Dan, and hope he makes it through one way or another.

What I'd like to know about Ian's power is, is it one week only? He's saying that the DR is trying to get him not to use it. Which I think is weird for a one shot power. Why would BB arbitrarily introduce something and not want it to be used?

 

[joesman]

I wondered why, too, when I heard Brit mentioned that the dr was trying to get Ian not to use the PoV. What would be the point of having it or putting it into play if you don't want it used?

 

[Sgt Pepper]

What I'd like to know about Ian's power is, is it one week only? He's saying that the DR is trying to get him not to use it. Which I think is weird for a one shot power. Why would BB arbitrarily introduce something and not want it to be used?

They wouldn't. I think it's pretty obvious he's lying. He doesn't want to use the POV and he's blaming it on the DR to save face with Dan et al. If BB didn't want him to use an extra veto they would quite simply not have introduced an extra veto.

 

[Adrock-JD]

When Boogie was evicted...

Boogie turned and said toward Frank, who was in the distance, "Don't trust him." After Ian was in his ear on the way out.

I don't think Frank heard him or it just didn't register what he was saying in all the commotion.

 

[joesman]

It did occur to me that perhaps Ian wasn't supposed to win the PoV. As someone previously said maybe Grods wanted Frank to have 2 PoVs.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

JENN WON POV.

Frank is in a carrot costume, Dan is in solitary confinement and Jenn took slop for the summer. Jenn is saying she won't use it but promised Danielle her vote. Dan is mulling over his options in solitary, wondering if he could get Jenn to use POV on himself or Danielle.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Now that I'm 95% sure Dan is toast, I just want to ungraciously point out that I was right LOL. I wrote this weeks ago when Janelle and Frank were on the block.

Actually I think you can make a case that the Dr. Will play (keep Janelle around for a few weeks because she's the mother fucking target of all targets) would work better for Dan here because Boogie and Frank have talked several times (since Operation Backdoor Janelle was enacted) about how they want to go after Dan first and then Britney. This is actually one time when I don't think Dan read the situation right. It could still work out for him but this wasn't his best move. Boogie and Frank are very much capable of winning HOH and they know about the plan to blindside Frank last week. The smarter move was Dan's first instinct: evict Frank which then forces Boogie to work with Dan cuz he has no one else. Even if Boogie was pissed about it he would still have no other choice. Giving him what he wants doesn't make him closer to Dan, it just gives him another choice, his #1 guy, which actually conflicts with Dan's ability to control Boogie.

I have no idea why Dan thought Boogie & Janelle's inability to work together was bad for him. I understand it's bad for a cohesive coach alliance, but that's actually GREAT for Dan. Remember in S10 how his alliance was against Jerry/Ollie/Michelle/April but Renny didn't trust Memphis and vice versa? Having a coach alliance where Boogie is totally dependent on Dan and Janelle trusts Dan more than Boogie would have been ideal for him. I'm surprised he didn't see that.

 

[falconfan]

Yes well Dan had to anticipate A) Frank's irrational mind blaming him 100% for people gunning for him B) Jenn beating everyone in a veto comp and C) Frank winning two crucial vetoes. So I still don't' think it was a bad decision. Things just didn't fall in his favor.

And I'd like to add Keeping Janey in was far from a guarantee that they would. The road would just be different.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Yes well Dan had to anticipate A) Frank's irrational mind blaming him 100% for people gunning for him B) Jenn beating everyone in a veto comp and C) Frank winning two crucial vetoes. So I still don't' think it was a bad decision. Things just didn't fall in his favor.

And I'd like to add Keeping Janey in was far from a guarantee that they would. The road would just be different.

What are you talking about? Frank said several times he wanted to go after Dan to various newbies and that all got back to Dan. Plus Dan told Boogie and Frank about the plan to vote Frank out (the canceled eviction) and Frank was visibly annoyed with Dan for being in on that plan and not telling them before hand and again said it to other people and it got back to Dan. So he knew Frank was gunning for him.

And it's a no-brainer if your goal is to work with Boogie, why not forcibly tie him to you by cutting off his #1 ally? There are seriously multiple good reasons for Dan to have evicted Frank and indeed Dan himself thought of that which is why he argued with Danielle and cowed her into putting up Frank instead of Janelle. The only reason Dan changed his mind is when he saw Janelle and Boogie were unable to work together which I'll never understand because them hating each other but liking Dan is exactly the kind of position you want to be in.

The only reason at all to evict Janelle was her supposed comp prowess but that wouldn't have hurt Dan since she had no intention of going after him before Boogie or Shane and lord knows everyone else would still be trying to take her out. This was just a terrible decision and it's not a coincidence that it came back to haunt Dan like I predicted.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

There is one silver lining to Dan's eviction this week and it's that Frank will likely join him in the jury house over the next two weeks. Frank's irrational hatred of Dan caused him to give up two weeks of HOH comps (for a veto he still didn't win) which means Frank has to win POV the next two weeks or go home. And Britney/Shane/Danielle/Ian already decided to backdoor him next week.

It would be so awesomely ironic if Frank's narrow focus on Dan cost him his own game.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Frank is talking to Joe right now and it seems Frank wants to work with Joe and Jenn because he doesn't completely trust Britney/Shane (as he shouldn't). He's hoping Joe or Jenn win the next HOH (LOL yeah right).

Now here's the only play Dan has left. He could try outing the Quack and Ian to Frank and forming a Frank/Dan/Joe/Jenn alliance where Jenn pulls down Dan and they backdoor Shane. Dan would have to push Ian's betrayal (play on Frank's weird emotional connection to Boogie and the fact that Boogie himself told Frank not to trust Ian on his way out) and the fact that Britney and Shane ARE going to backdoor Frank next week (reminding Frank that Shane used both of his HOH's trying to get Frank out). Getting Shane out wouldn't be bad for Frank either since he pretty much needs to win the next two POVs and Shane is his biggest competitor for that.

But of course the MAJOR problem with this pitch is that Frank can't be rational when it comes to Dan. I don't expect it to work at all but it's all Dan has and I hope he tries. If for no other reason than it would blow up Ian's spot and I just don't like that kid and I don't want him to win the whole thing.

At this point with Dan all but gone, I'm rooting for a Britney/Danielle F2 where Britney is rewarded for her awesome imitations, hilarious DRs and Boogie-goodbye-video by winning the big prize, and Danielle has an emotional breakdown on the Live Finale when even Shane votes for Britney over her and Janelle wins America's Choice.

 

[RRUGER]

What are you talking about? Frank said several times he wanted to go after Dan to various newbies and that all got back to Dan. Plus Dan told Boogie and Frank about the plan to vote Frank out (the canceled eviction) and Frank was visibly annoyed with Dan for being in on that plan and not telling them before hand and again said it to other people and it got back to Dan. So he knew Frank was gunning for him.

And it's a no-brainer if your goal is to work with Boogie, why not forcibly tie him to you by cutting off his #1 ally? There are seriously multiple good reasons for Dan to have evicted Frank and indeed Dan himself thought of that which is why he argued with Danielle and cowed her into putting up Frank instead of Janelle. The only reason Dan changed his mind is when he saw Janelle and Boogie were unable to work together which I'll never understand because them hating each other but liking Dan is exactly the kind of position you want to be in.

The only reason at all to evict Janelle was her supposed comp prowess but that wouldn't have hurt Dan since she had no intention of going after him before Boogie or Shane and lord knows everyone else would still be trying to take her out. This was just a terrible decision and it's not a coincidence that it came back to haunt Dan like I predicted.

I AGRREEE 100 PERFCENT.


I said this too to myself that DAN was TOAST when he decided to keep FRANK. Unless he pulls off a big manipulation twist he is GONE.

 

[RRUGER]

Frank is talking to Joe right now and it seems Frank wants to work with Joe and Jenn because he doesn't completely trust Britney/Shane (as he shouldn't). He's hoping Joe or Jenn win the next HOH (LOL yeah right).

Now here's the only play Dan has left. He could try outing the Quack and Ian to Frank and forming a Frank/Dan/Joe/Jenn alliance where Jenn pulls down Dan and they backdoor Shane. Dan would have to push Ian's betrayal (play on Frank's weird emotional connection to Boogie and the fact that Boogie himself told Frank not to trust Ian on his way out) and the fact that Britney and Shane ARE going to backdoor Frank next week (reminding Frank that Shane used both of his HOH's trying to get Frank out). Getting Shane out wouldn't be bad for Frank either since he pretty much needs to win the next two POVs and Shane is his biggest competitor for that.

But of course the MAJOR problem with this pitch is that Frank can't be rational when it comes to Dan. I don't expect it to work at all but it's all Dan has and I hope he tries. If for no other reason than it would blow up Ian's spot and I just don't like that kid and I don't want him to win the whole thing.

At this point with Dan all but gone, I'm rooting for a Britney/Danielle F2 where Britney is rewarded for her awesome imitations, hilarious DRs and Boogie-goodbye-video by winning the big prize, and Danielle has an emotional breakdown on the Live Finale when even Shane votes for Britney over her and Janelle wins America's Choice.

yes yes i hope dani looses shes crazy, hope janelle wins also but brit no no i hope she doents win i would like someone like JOE or SHANE to win just to show CBS how screwed up your SEASON of obvious rigging and FRANK cheating has been.

watch JENN will win the next HOH hahaha

the invisible woman might turn into a PORSHE OR KALIA mid season i hate that