Bisexuality Discussion Forum -NEW

[Soilwork]

I agree with you.

That's something that nobody ever talks about which is bigotry in the GLBT/gay "community ®" or bigotry by GLBT people to other GLBT people.

What are you talking about?

about 1/3 of the threads in the old bi forum were about how much they hate gay people and 1/3 was about how gay people hate them.

(mind you, 1/3 were tips on how to cheat on your wife and not get caught.)

 

[Kulindahr]

there is no reason as well, why bisexuals cant integrate more into the glbt community

i am honestly beginning to think that the real reason that they hold themselves away from the whole community is because they are ashamed of us

If we're ashamed, it's because of people like a few who are posting in this thread -- people who reject bis, assume from the start that we're liars, or that it's a phase, etc.

I WISH it was a phase... but every time I start to think maybe it was, and I'm settling into being fully gay, BAM! I encounter a chick who makes my knees weak, my thighs flame, and my dick hard, sends my head spinning and tangles my tongue.

And I don't just get that at JUB, I get it at bars and elsewhere. All too many people discover I'm bi, and suddenly I'm not worth talking to.

 

[Kulindahr]

well.. I checked it out..

Pretty much what we'd all expected.

Lots of "Those fags are all so girly and us big Manly Bi Men are so above them all" threads.

WWWhat'shisname wasted no time making a thead about how he walks into a gay bar and everyone thinks he's a straight guy in the wrong place (that NEVER happens. Ever. Only in gay porns and the over-active imaginations of men who think they're "straight acting").

EVeryone chimed in and went on about how gay men are all extremely feminine and bitchy and cliquy gay men are and someone said gay men wear glitter and wings.

Man....

Soil, I just read through, and posted in, the thread you're referring to. You misrepresent it completely. Considering your deep prejudice against bis, that doesn't surprise me.

As for being in a bar and someone thinking you're straight and in the wrong place -- it happens. I got asked by a chick one night, at a bar in Portland, why a straight guy would come alone to a gay bar. I told her I had no idea -- and found she meant me. Okay, that isn't everyone, but she introduced me to her friends and they all thought I was straight, too.

Maybe you should stop reading through the eyes of your prejudice, and accept the fact that someone might know something you don't. No, forget "maybe" -- you should.


edit: reading on through the thread, I see that my comments apply to Andreus, too.

 

[Soilwork]

And again, yet another bi man has thrilled us with yet another story about how straight acting he is.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

snort...

um..


snif..


sorry.. what were we talking about?

 

[Soilwork]

I meant life outside of JUB.

Examples would be racism by white GLBT people towards GLBT people who aren't white, biphobia and transphobia, gay men who are homophobic, lesbians who hate men/FTM, GLBT people who are heterophobic, and gay men who are misogynists.

I post on other boards and talk to people who like to think that the GLBT "community"/gay "community®" is all inclusive/accepting and such things like racism, homphobia, biphobia, transphobia, heterophobia, and misogyny don't exist and that people who are GLBT don't have these attitudes and close minded viewpoints; but I just tell them that it's wishful thinking on their part.

Ah.

got it.

Yeah, I guess you're right then.

 

[Soilwork]

edit: reading on through the thread, I see that my comments apply to Andreus, too.

Then I'm in good company.

 

[Kulindahr]

And again, yet another bi man has thrilled us with yet another story about how straight acting he is.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

snort...

um..


snif..


sorry.. what were we talking about?

And again, Soilwork has thrilled us with yet another post showing how poor of a reader he is.

Soil, why do you pick at words, instead of reading posts?
I'd offer my guess, but it would probably be considered flaming.

 

[foolish082]

I'm not a regular enough poster and I don't anyone by name enough to agree with most of what I've read, but I most be a lot newer to the community than I thought. I don't know, but I always imagined that most gays and bisexual would get along more if not just for the fact that they have a lot in common in terms of sexuality and not being widely accepted.

I'm bisexual and I've always wondered why Bi men were considered "confused." I had this conversation with a friend of mine who is gay. Bisexual means you like both men and women. Does that make you any less gay though? I mean if you sleep with a dude....you likes dudes, correct? I like the same things gay guys like well in terms of gender just like I like the same things straight guys like. I tend to prefer men to women, but I wouldn't think I'm any less straight or gay than the average male.

That's just my two cents. I'm not sure why two groups of people can't get along when we have enough people dogging us out.

 

[Soilwork]

I'd offer my guess, but it would probably be considered flaming.

Oh don't worry.

I've already assumed that you're quite flaming in real life.

 

[blackbeltninja]

well i hope it works out

honestly i do

just because hot topics is getting bisexual drama arguement weary

it can only help all parties

Well, I think you'll find that the most of us guys after a few posts on JUB tend to stick the Bi stuff out of HT and have posted mainly in the (old) bi forum, located here in Naughty Bits. Look at all the ones which have moved into the new forum and you can see that the bulk of our discussion was out of HT. It was also a concern cited when we were polled about splitting the old bi forum.

And, in case anyone was wondering, it was a close call - yesterday, the poll was at something like 117:115 in favour of the split. Florida, anyone?

-d-

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh don't worry.

I've already assumed that you're quite flaming in real life.

Only in the Pride parade.
If the Pink Pistols guys get the goods together, I'll be marching in Roman-style sandals, a rainbow thong, my NRA Life Member cap, and a Gun Owners of America logo on a rainbow flag.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm not a regular enough poster and I don't anyone by name enough to agree with most of what I've read, but I most be a lot newer to the community than I thought. I don't know, but I always imagined that most gays and bisexual would get along more if not just for the fact that they have a lot in common in terms of sexuality and not being widely accepted.

I'm bisexual and I've always wondered why Bi men were considered "confused." I had this conversation with a friend of mine who is gay. Bisexual means you like both men and women. Does that make you any less gay though? I mean if you sleep with a dude....you likes dudes, correct? I like the same things gay guys like well in terms of gender just like I like the same things straight guys like. I tend to prefer men to women, but I wouldn't think I'm any less straight or gay than the average male.

That's just my two cents. I'm not sure why two groups of people can't get along when we have enough people dogging us out.

I don't get it either, but some on here are so down on bis that it stirs up anger and resentment.

That's an interesting point -- a bi is both straight and gay, not half and half.

 

[foolish082]

The problem with the so called bi men is they obviously try to distance themselves from gay men.If you go on the bi thread it s like they seems to think they are better than gay men for whatever the reasons.They seems to think they are more masculine than gay men.

So called? Are you talkin' about bisexual men in general or certain men on this site? If it is toward all bisexual men it's pretty sad that you would generalize an entire group. Not to mention the utter hypocrisy it brings up.

There are plenty of gay men who look down on bi or so I have seen just from reading a few threads tonight.

Plenty of bisexual men have gay friends who aren't the most masculine. I know I do. I wouldn't call them "queeny" but they would be assumed gay if we were out at a straight club. Not only that, but I know gay men who aren't into guys who are overly flamboyant. Again this may be that I'm not the most experienced on this site, but a lot of accusations thrown at "bis" are things I've seen frequently in the gay community as well.

 

[blackbeltninja]

So called? Are you talkin' about bisexual men in general or certain men on this site? If it is toward all bisexual men it's pretty sad that you would generalize an entire group. Not to mention the utter hypocrisy it brings up.
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Dude, don't even get started with this - you'll give yourself unnecessary carpal tunnel syndrome trying to dispel the many myths out there about us bi guys.

This sort of ridiculous nonsense you were responding to is exactly why most of us migrated our bi discussion topics into the bi/straight forum in Naughty Bits, so that those who didn't want to be involved wouldn't have to see them.

Remarkable, then, that so many detractors came in looking for it, isn't it?

-d-

 

[GGGaylph]

yeh, well said, waa-waa. but he is not clever!!! as a proud RRRalph critic, I can only say this guy is a joke. I think his intellectual development right stopped after puberty. don't take him too seriously please..

 

[blackbeltninja]

yeh, well said, waa-waa. but he is not clever!!! as a proud RRRalph critic, I can only say this guy is a joke. I think his intellectual development right stopped after puberty. don't take him too seriously please..

Soilwork, you hit the nail right on the head...

When a gay guys points out these things - people yell "OMG you're being intolerant towards bisexuals!" - it's the latest cliché.


RRRalph is a hypocrite, but a very clever hypocrite.

Not that Rrralph needs anyone to defend him, but since he's not here, I will.

You want to back that up there, waa_waa? Calling someone a hypocrite is easy; proving it is another matter entirely.

He's put himself out there - name, age, orientation, location, the lot; he's always open and 100% honest with his feelings in every discussion he's contributed to and those he's started, and he's got a lot of us talking on a level which some of us find quite stimulating and a little more substantial than the popcorn fluff lite which prevails here in HT.

You on the other hand... nothing. 3 posts, none of which is particularly insightful, and very little else to go on. I'd say you were a little above your station hurling unsubstantiated accusations around.

Fact is, us bi guys have taken a lot of stick here on JUB from all and sundry, and we're kinda tired of it. We have had as much vitriol spat at us by some of the guys in here which, had it been spouted at them by someone in any position of prominence would have resulted in immediate uproar, unbelievable outcry and calls for resignations and boycotts and the like, and yet somehow we're expected to put up with it. And when one of us has a bit of a go at something or someone otherwise held sacred in here, whether in seriousness or in jest, all hell breaks loose and we get more stupid shit by ignorant idiots who don't realise that they've slipped on the pedestals they've found themselves on and those same pedestals are jammed halfway up their own arses.

-d-

 

[GGGaylph]

omg.............

 

[quasar]

...When a gay guys points out these things - people yell "OMG you're being intolerant towards bisexuals!" - it's the latest cliché...

Yes, and when a bisexual guy points out these things - people yell "OMG you're being intolerant towards gays!"

And this is the reason why there's so much hassle. There are so many bigotted gays and bisexuals on this board that it may be better to name it JustUsBigots!

One of the comments we make about 'straight' society's attitude towards gay people is that 'lack of understanding breeds fear'. Well I'm sorry, but its the same problem here. If more people - both gay and bi - would get off their bigotted, self-righteous arses and actually educate themselves about what is really going on in the minds of the differing sexualities, then things would run a little more smoothly.

Many members - gay and bi - are quick to have a hissy fit when labels, stereotypes and blanket judgements are tossed around, well if you look in the mirror, the only people that are doing it are ourselves. I'm as guilty as the next, but I'm not so far up my own arse that I can't look around, listen, share and learn from other member's experiences, emotions, fears and successes.

God forbid we should walk a mile in another man's shoes and learn something!

yeh, well said, waa-waa. but he is not clever!!! as a proud RRRalph critic, I can only say this guy is a joke. I think his intellectual development right stopped after puberty. don't take him too seriously please..

For someone who imitates his screen name, hangs on his every word so that you can criticise him and is concerned that people might take him too seriously, is there something you want to confess?

 

[rareboy]

I'm delighted to see that bisexuals now have an echo chamber of their very own where no one can hurt their feelings any more.

Eventually the playground should get divided up into a hundred little no-flame zones covered in emo mattresses so that none of us get bruised bumping into one another.

 

[Hard Luck]

There is a reason why these types of forums get made, because all of the topics under the no flame zone are the types of threads people turn into a bitch fest or all out attack on people. Maybe if people became more constructive in these types of topics and not act like bickering children when it came to these topics, such a zone wouldn't exist.

I have to agree with that. And I think it's a function of JUB just being too darned big.

On the internet, the lowest common denominator of detractor or quasi-troll can bring down the whole shebang. And with as many members as JUB has, hot-button threads are going to devolve into bickering almost every time, and remarkably fast.

I don't think the solution is to create so-called no-flame zones. Who is moderating the behavior there? I really want to know. Because if that kind of heavy moderator attention can be payed to the "zones," why can't it just be paid to the the message board in general?


It comes off to me as sort of absurd to say that this forujm or that are the ones for good internet behavior. There should be a Code of Conduct for the entire message board (as I'm sure there is) and enough moderators to enforce it, and to steer threads away from bickering and trollish behavior when such appears anywhere on JUB. Either there are enough moderators for the population, or there aren't.