Botched Execution in Oklahoma

[unloadonme]

I don't know what I think about capital punishment. It seems inhumane enough that people are kept on death row for years, but to botch the deed when the time eventually comes is inexcusable.

I once worked for a vet and she dispatched dogs and cats within a few seconds every time and very peacefully. The US prison service would do well to match that.

 

[Sausy]

Death is too quick. To rot in a jail cell slowly going mad over time and never seeing the outside of a prison is good enough because it will be decades of hell. Quick dispatch, especially if truly guilty and unrepentant, even for me is very tempting but in the end we are NOT them. If there is another life after this, the torment will go on. But so long as they breathe on this earth to never have a free moment again is the best form of revenge and justice. They get the bare minimum of humane treatment but never get an opportunity to hurt another innocent person ever again.

 

[Alnitak]

I see no relevance to pointing out that this was a black man. It doesn't matter that the victim of this SAVAGE was white , nor was it pointed out.

Obviously for some people racial disparity in criminal justice needs to be pointed out.

 

[Alnitak]

It sounds like he got what he deserved to me.

But do we have to be the ones who kill? I think not.

The purpose of punishment is not just to get even. Justice is much more than that.

 

[Jack Springer]

The guy was scum, he deserved the death penalty. The left is making it difficult by pressuring drug companies not to sell the lethal drugs to the states to carry out LEGAL death penalties - that is probably what caused his slow and painful death -- not that he didn't deserve it but execution should be quick.

You might to acquaint yourself with the man who committed the crimes he paid for with his execution.

http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/news/appeals-court-upholds-death-penalty-for-ponca-city-man

 

[opinterph]

The left … by pressuring drug companies not to sell the lethal drugs to the states to carry out LEGAL death penalties … is probably what caused [convicted murderer Clayton Lockett’s] slow and painful death

Interesting concept.

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Gallup Politics, October 29, 2013

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[sixthson]

It is unfortunate the way he had to die. He shot a young woman and buried her alive. What did she go through before her death? Suffocation must be an awful way to die and imagine the terror and fear she experienced.

No one murdered the murderer. He forfeited his life when he cruelly and without mercy took another life. It's not like he accidentally killed her. He surrendered his right to live by an act of his will. I highly doubt a lifetime in prison is merciful. If I understand correctly, he murdered her in 1999. He lived in prison almost as long as his victim had been alive.

Never forget the victims or those who loved them.

 

[opinterph]

[Clayton Lockett] forfeited his life when he cruelly and without mercy took another life.

I agree with the principle of your statement.

The left

How do you define “the left?”

The [European Commission] said its move, which follows restrictions introduced unilaterally by the UK in November 2010, was designed to forward the European Union's stated mission to abolish the death penalty around the world.

Europe moves to block trade in medical drugs used in US executions

 

[Jack Springer]

How do you define “the left?”

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The left: socialists, communists, progressives, democrats ... people that demand 'social equality' for all when they really mean social equality for everyone else but themselves.

As a person on the left are you willing to give up your entire wealth and give it away to other people? (I don't expect an answer, because I think I already know the answer.)

 

[opinterph]

(I don't expect an answer, because I think I already know the answer.)

How do I know that “my wealth” is mine alone?

What value has wealth when it is hoarded in solitude?

How does your illustration relate to the topic of discussion?

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

The left is making it difficult by pressuring drug companies not to sell the lethal drugs to the states to carry out LEGAL death penalties - that is probably what caused his slow and painful death -- not that he didn't deserve it but execution should be quick.

You might to acquaint yourself with the man who committed the crimes he paid for with his execution.

http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/news/appeals-court-upholds-death-penalty-for-ponca-city-man

Your speculation stinks of right wing radio and is bullshit. Simple rodent lemming mentality.

You might want to acquaint yourself Jack with Dr. Jack, Dr. Jack Kevorkian. His liberal view on assisted suicide with a home made machine loaded with drugs never failed.
As stated above vets put down animals daily with drugs available. Not just dogs but cattle and other large animals.

I counter your speculation that it was blotched by a bunch of dumb ass bible thumping right wing Oklahoma morons trying to save a buck. Oklahoma is noted as a conservative Republican sewer in its government.

 

[bankside]

I am of the view that most of the justice in the justice system comes from safeguards in the process to ensure an accurate verdict; i.e., if a person is charged and convicted of a crime, it is only because they actually did commit the crime as charged. Beyond that the sentence should be roughly proportionate to the magnitude of the offence.

With that in mind, the death penalty should not ever be equated with "murder" when applied accurately to a murderer. In a just system of law, an executioner is never a murderer or a torturer or any of this other rhetoric. In a just system of law, it is a valid and honourable profession. For the crime of murder, the death penalty is a reasonable and fitting outcome. And though the law did not intend it, if this person committed the crime as charged and really left someone to struggle and die buried alive, then by a happy accident, the suffering he experienced was more proportionate to the death he inflicted on someone else, than had he just quietly slipped away as planned.

That being said, the only way for the justice system to maintain any integrity and any legitimacy, is for it to have the ability to overturn an inaccurate verdict, and to restore a person who has suffered an injustice. Since this is impossible after the execution of the death penalty, its use must be severely restricted or eliminated, particularly when there is ample evidence that a country's justice system is not always even-handed or accurate.

 

[T-Rexx]

With that in mind, the death penalty should not ever be equated with "murder" when applied accurately to a murderer. In a just system of law, an executioner is never a murderer or a torturer or any of this other rhetoric. In a just system of law, it is a valid and honourable profession.

The professional association of American doctors, the American Medical Association, does not agree with this thinking. The profession of medicine exists to advance and protect life. Using such skills to advance death - in any capacity - is considered unethical.

There certainly are many doctors who disagree with this opinion and who participate willingly in executions. But the general consensus of the profession is that participation in capital punishment is neither ethical nor honorable behavior.


http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.source.php?sourceID=006085

 

[palbert]

An interesting comment from Europe via Twitter.

A Twitter message by someone who pretends to be God somehow caught the European mood. From @TheTweetOfGod: “How could Oklahoma botch an execution? If there’s one thing I would expect Americans to know how to do by now, it’s kill somebody.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/01/u...-over-flawed-lethal-injection-in-us.html?_r=0

 

[Jack Springer]

An interesting comment from Europe via Twitter.

Europeans have been killing people for hundreds of years. We don't need to hear from arrogant Europeans about killing when they started the last two world wars and one country in Europe (my ancestry country) exterminated over 12 million people. Russia exterminated many more million in their cleansing.

Sorry but the arrogant assholes have nothing on the USA.

Europeans are the expert killers.

 

[Jack Springer]

Your speculation stinks of right wing radio and is bullshit. Simple rodent lemming mentality.

You might want to acquaint yourself Jack with Dr. Jack, Dr. Jack Kevorkian. His liberal view on assisted suicide with a home made machine loaded with drugs never failed.
As stated above vets put down animals daily with drugs available. Not just dogs but cattle and other large animals.

I counter your speculation that it was blotched by a bunch of dumb ass bible thumping right wing Oklahoma morons trying to save a buck. Oklahoma is noted as a conservative Republican sewer in its government.

We don't know if any of kevorkian's experiments failed. Times have changed. Drugs available before are no longer available, which is the reason Oklahoma and other states are trying new drugs and new sources.

I'm sorry you and others can't comment without vitriol attacks.

What sewer did you emerge from? (see ... that doesn't sound nice at all, does it)

 

[Jack Springer]

How do I know that “my wealth” is mine alone?

What value has wealth when it is hoarded in solitude?

How does your illustration relate to the topic of discussion?

I answered your question on how I defined left. You're the one who went off topic.

 

[Spiff]

Makes no sense that they can't figure out how to put down a human by lethal injection, but with animals we have been doing it for ages. But I'm sure money is involved somehow. It usually is when something seems more complicated than it ought to be.

 

[Alnitak]

Makes no sense that they can't figure out how to put down a human by lethal injection, but with animals we have been doing it for ages. But I'm sure money is involved somehow. It usually is when something seems more complicated than it ought to be.

Pharmaceutical companies are refusing to supply the drugs.

We know how to do it well. It is quite easy. In fact every time general anesthesia is administered, a nurse must artificially respirate the patient because propofol temporarily paralyzes the diaphram. Problem is, no company wants to be responsible for supplying anesthetic drugs for lethal injection.

 

[evanrick]

Interesting concept.

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Gallup Politics, October 29, 2013

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wow republicans really need looking after by the looks of those poll trends, leave them to their own devices and they begin to murder one another.