Botched Execution in Oklahoma

[chrisrobin]

Pharmaceutical companies are refusing to supply the drugs.

Looks as if I'm going to have to take back all those snarky comments I've made about "big pharma."

 

[Jack Springer]

The guy deserved what happened ... many of you believe in karma ... remember the guy watched as his victim was buried alive.

 

[Alnitak]

The guy deserved what happened ... many of you believe in karma ... remember the guy watched as his victim was buried alive.

This attitude depends on whether retribution is an element of criminal justice. The liberal philosophy says that damage has been done, so what is the point? Obviously there must be payment for transgressing against society, but what good does sitting in a prison cell do or going to eternal sleep? I should have said slap the motherfucker with 100,000 hours of community service, even if that means pulverizing rocks into gravel for the rest of his life; do something productive. Actually the latter should be a conservative value.

 

[Jack Springer]

This attitude depends on whether retribution is an element of criminal justice. The liberal philosophy says that damage has been done, so what is the point? Obviously there must be payment for transgressing against society, but what good does sitting in a prison cell do or going to eternal sleep? I should have said slap the motherfucker with 100,000 hours of community service, even if that means pulverizing rocks into gravel for the rest of his life; do something productive.

Fertilizer is productive.

 

[Alnitak]

Fertilizer is productive.

Touche....

 

[chrisrobin]

If one were to take a world view on capital punishment, the U.S. would be one of the last western (and some eastern) industrialized countries that still allows capital punishment. When some neocon starts crowing about American exceptionalism, our adherence to capital punishment automatically knocks the U.S. out of the top twenty.

The U.S. should either abolish capital punishment or keep capital punishment and have executions televised live on cable.* The ratings would be awesome. The world then could witness American justice at its finest.

*Using le guillotine could provide a little nostalgia.

 

[Kulindahr]

Jesus believers also believe in eye for an eye, and that's a WORLDWIDE view, not just an American view. So save the rhetoric.

Given that Jesus explicitly declared an end to that concept, no one who holds it is a "Jesus believer".

 

[Kulindahr]

It is unfortunate the way he had to die. He shot a young woman and buried her alive. What did she go through before her death? Suffocation must be an awful way to die and imagine the terror and fear she experienced.

No one murdered the murderer. He forfeited his life when he cruelly and without mercy took another life. It's not like he accidentally killed her. He surrendered his right to live by an act of his will. I highly doubt a lifetime in prison is merciful. If I understand correctly, he murdered her in 1999. He lived in prison almost as long as his victim had been alive.

Never forget the victims or those who loved them.

If people want to call an execution murder, then they have to concede that taxation is theft.

 

[Kulindahr]

wow republicans really need looking after by the looks of those poll trends, leave them to their own devices and they begin to murder one another.

I nominate this for a non sequitur of the month award.

 

[Kulindahr]

Fertilizer is productive.

Then we should let him live and compost his excrement. Execution does not result in fertilizer.

 

[Kulindahr]

If one were to take a world view on capital punishment, the U.S. would be one of the last western (and some eastern) industrialized countries that still allows capital punishment. When some neocon starts crowing about American exceptionalism, our adherence to capital punishment automatically knocks the U.S. out of the top twenty.

The U.S. should either abolish capital punishment or keep capital punishment and have executions televised live on cable.* The ratings would be awesome. The world then could witness American justice at its finest.

*Using le guillotine could provide a little nostalgia.

The guillotine is also more humane than injections.

 

[TX-Beau]

If you want to punish people, you're not interested in Justice. Justice is restitution. A righting or at least an attempt to mitigate the wrong. Frankly people who say "he got what he deserved" are pretty surface people who aren't thinking about justice in the first place.

That said - so why worry about the deaths of vile criminals? Answer - we do not yet posses clairvoyance enough to guarantee everyone executed was guilty - in fact we KNOW we execute the innocent.

Our own founding fathers were of the philosophy that it was better that a hundred guilty go free rather than convict one innocent man.

Strange how the blood-lusters ignore that.

 

[opinterph]

I answered your question on how I defined left. You're the one who went off topic.

You provided an [off-topic] illustration – in which you characterized another member via a hypothetical interrogatory statement.

You have yet to respond to that member’s interrogatory responses.

FWIW, It is my opinion that true wealth involves much more than a vault filled with gold coins.

The left: ... people that demand 'social equality' for all when they really mean social equality for everyone else but themselves.

That explanation could easily be used to describe Jesus Christ.

 

[Jack Springer]

You provided an [off-topic] illustration – in which you characterized another member via a hypothetical interrogatory statement.

You have yet to respond to that member’s interrogatory responses.

FWIW, It is my opinion that true wealth involves much more than a vault filled with gold coins.




That explanation could easily be used to describe Jesus Christ.

Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

 

[opinterph]

Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

God Bless Captain Vere!

 

[JayHawk]

Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

Wait he came along and changed everything. Jesus is the epitome requesting of social change. He asked that you look into your own soul, realize you are flawed, accept his as savior and then change your ways to follow his intricate set of rules --- or to simply love one another --- that part people are still arguing. However it is fact that following a religious creed is social change. Every place they go they attempt to spread the good word and change the hearts of others.

LOL. Jesus isnt for social change. You are a hoot.

 

[Kulindahr]

Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

Well, since the great majority of Christians in the US are doing a piss-poor job of being Christlike, it is not outside the realm of government to take up the slack. Especially since the Old Testament demonstrates that a people should care for each other, then Christians who are slacking should not be surprised when others decide to compel them to live up to their calling.


Besides that, to minimize His work as you do here is a slap in His face. How could His people not seek to show compassion and caring in their form of government, when He has given the formation of that government into their hands?

Remember that it was Christians who drove the abolition of slavery. By your statement, they should have just kept their mouths shut. Fortunately, they knew better.

 

[LAPan75]

First you Sedate them
Then you Inject them
and just before tossing them in an unmarked grave, shoot them between the eyes so their Zombie doesn't come back

How hard is that?​

 

[bankside]

Well, since the great majority of Christians in the US are doing a piss-poor job of being Christlike, it is not outside the realm of government to take up the slack. Especially since the Old Testament demonstrates that a people should care for each other, then Christians who are slacking should not be surprised when others decide to compel them to live up to their calling.


Besides that, to minimize His work as you do here is a slap in His face. How could His people not seek to show compassion and caring in their form of government, when He has given the formation of that government into their hands?

Remember that it was Christians who drove the abolition of slavery. By your statement, they should have just kept their mouths shut. Fortunately, they knew better.

It was the Enlightenment - a rejection of 1700 years of theology and an embrace of rationalism and materialist pragmatism - that drove the concept of human rights, the abolition of slavery, and the establishment of our modern forms of government. Not Jesus or God or Religion. The form it takes is a human invention, and a stellar human achievement at that.

 

[rareboy]

Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

You don't know Jesus, do you?