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Bradley Manning [merged]

Should Bradley Manning Get the Death Penalty?

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Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Again. If it is all so pretty clear and obvious. What the heck are they doing with him? If they have all the proof - where is the trial? Why isn't he sentenced already?
 
Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

Anybody here recognize the name Daniel Ellsburg? Ever hear about the Pentagon Papers?

My initial reaction to this story was that Manning should be prosecuted. I've changed my mind, I think he has done the world a favor. Governments, ours included, always do sneaky, improper, often illegal, things. Disclosure of this misdeeds is like putting ointment on a wound. It keeps democracy healthy.

Incidentally, LL, I didn't see anything in your links suggesting that Manning claims that his sexual orientation had anything to do with his actions.
 
Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

I believe it is only a matter of time before Manning is awarded the Nobel Peace prize. The US will then be in the rather unique position of sentencing a Nobel Peace prize winner to a lengthy prison sentence... not a good look.
 
Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

palemale said:
Anybody here recognize the name Daniel Ellsburg? Ever hear about the Pentagon Papers?

My initial reaction to this story was that Manning should be prosecuted. I've changed my mind, I think he has done the world a favor. Governments, ours included, always do sneaky, improper, often illegal, things. Disclosure of this misdeeds is like putting ointment on a wound. It keeps democracy healthy.

Incidentally, LL, I didn't see anything in your links suggesting that Manning claims that his sexual orientation had anything to do with his actions.
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There have been links posted by Manning's supporters and lawyers referring to his sexuality issues (at the ripe age of 23 too :rolleyes:). They've hinted that since he wasn't in his right mind, his disregard for his country should be overlooked.

This sounds just like Jared Loughner, except there's a paper trail and no doubt coming from anyone concerning Loughner's mental state. He will he executed. And Manning sure as hell better be executed as well.

Let me add too that these leaks have had little if any value outside of maybe the videos released from Iraq of a journalist's death. The rest has been petty gossip. Manning just has [STRIKE]buyer's[/STRIKE] leaker's remorse.

One troubling new trend is people doing something they know is illegal and the complaining afterwards about the consequences. Teachers in Atlanta were caught boosting students' test scores and are just SHOCKED they're being fired... Seriously, to them and Manning? I guess their well beings were at stake if students didn't perform well because of "No Child Left Behind." But not Manning's.
 
Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

MoltenRock III said:
You can't be championing the whistleblowing being carried out on Murdoch on one hand and yet condemning whistle blowing of illegal activities, and innocent people being tortured by the American govt on the other hand, otherwise you're being intellectually dishonest.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/08/opinion/main20077841.shtml
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no not really.

The men in the military know what is expected of them when they sign on. If they don't they are informed once they are there.

If manning were a private citizen, It would be the same as the murdoch case.

This is a distinction that I really think people are not absorbing. It was his job to keep those secrets safe, not pass judgement on what they contain. The function of oversight rests within the civilian branch of the government and the media, not a desk clerk. There are no documents there that the heads of Both political parties did not have access to, if they had wanted to review them, and it was their responsibility to do so to make sure that laws are followed.

Unfortunately we have a broken legislature and that is not happening. As ugly a prospect as that is, I do not believe that the answer is to put traitorous activity on a pedestal OR encourage others within to do the same.

I think finding a way to make the system in place work better is a more appropriate response than praising treason.
 
Re: Bradley Manning: My Penis Made Me Do It

nondescript said:
I believe it is only a matter of time before Manning is awarded the Nobel Peace prize. The US will then be in the rather unique position of sentencing a Nobel Peace prize winner to a lengthy prison sentence... not a good look.
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Peace prize? We don't know yet whether his actions had a cost in human life. No one is deserving of the peace prize if they don't even consider the consequences of their actions. Considering what a coward he is, that he didn't even understand what it was he was stealing, he's not deserving of anything.
 
Re: Bradley Manning - video report

Bradley Manning plead guilty today.


Now can we shoot him?
 
Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

He was selected to be a Grand Marshall, in absentia, but was quickly dropped by Lisa Williams after .... erm 'political pressure'.
I have to say this is a complete disgrace. Bradley Manning is an American hero.

Williams proclaimed that "Manning will not be a grand marshal in this year's San Francisco Pride celebration" and termed his selection "a mistake". She blamed it all on a "staff person" who prematurely made the announcement based on a preliminary vote, and she assures us all that the culprit "has been disciplined": disciplined. She then accuses Manning of "actions which placed in harms way the lives of our men and women in uniform": a substance-free falsehood originally spread by top US military officials which has since been decisively and extensively debunked, even by some government officials (indeed, it's the US government itself, not Manning, that is guilty of "actions which placed in harms way the lives of our men and women in uniform"). And then, in my favorite part of her statement, Williams decreed to all organization members that "even the hint of support" for Manning's action - even the hint - "will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride". Will not be tolerated.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/27/bradley-manning-sf-gay-pride
 
Re: Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

Maybe but to many members of the military,he's considered a traitor, and that includes many LGBT members.
 
Re: Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

Ninja108 said:
Maybe but to many members of the military,he's considered a traitor, and that includes many LGBT members.
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Sorta the only way to look at it
 
Re: Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

And the hits just keep on coming...

The fact he was even up for consideration speaks volumes. So now the public at large can add yet another stereotype to those who happen to be gay...unpatriotic traitor. Fabulous. I can't wait for this derision.
 
Re: Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

^ Don't worry. I'm sure you are disliked as a homo for completely different reasons.
 
Re: Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

^^^

Finally you say something funny after all this time.
 
Re: Bradley Manning dropped from SF Pride

If his prison guards would hurry up and do that staged suicide then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Seriously, I'm sick of paying for this asshat's room and board. The government ain't paying for mine.
 
Am I sympathetic to Bradley Manning simply because he's gay?

First things first...

1) Bradley Manning is army private who leaked the Iraq/Afghanistan war logs to Wikileaks, along with a plethora of diplomatic cables from SIPRNet

2) There are plenty of political/ideological reasons to support the actions he took (i.e. ending the wars), but that's not my focus here.


I'm deeply conflicted. I abhor what he did, and while I think the initial media coverage exaggerated the damage of the leaks, there are innocent people living in foreign countries that could be endangered/killed for their cooperation with our government. He broke the law, and he knew he was doing so.

But after watching a Frontline documentary on him, I'm so haunted/saddened by his story. He seems like a courageous person who, despite being effeminate and gay, joined the military anyways and stood up to the bullying he faced (more than I can say for myself). I think the atmosphere finally got to him; someone with his mental issues and desperate cries for help should have been stripped of a security clearance--for his own good.

I also think there's a difference between someone who hands over nuclear secret codes to a foreign government for cash vs. someone who leaks embarrassing diplomatic information out of conscience to a neutral entity.

But I can't help wondering if my perspective is warped by my sympathy for him, as a (cute) gay soldier whose tenacity and courage I admire in so many other ways? I normally hate when minority groups rally around "one of their own" (i.e. OJ Simpson) regardless of their apparent guilt. But there's something so compelling about his case, I just can't help being haunted and saddened by it. Does anyone feel the same way? Is it because we're sympathetic to one of our own?
 
Re: Am I sympathetic to Bradley Manning simply because he's gay?

I feel nothing for him. He is a traitor. In an all volunteer service you are free to NOT serve. There are a multitude of ways to get out of the duty you sign up for once you get in and decide it is not for you. Choosing to break the law is not courageous it is criminal and Manning sought to harm the US. We should equally seek to cause him criminal prosecution and punishment.
 
Re: Am I sympathetic to Bradley Manning simply because he's gay?

rm71182 said:
…effeminate and gay…
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Why would he volunteer to place himself in harm's way in such an alien profession which prides itself on its anti-effeminacy???
 
Re: Am I sympathetic to Bradley Manning simply because he's gay?

So you see, I basically agree with you guys, and yet I can't help feeling this overwhelming sympathy for him, which I can only speculate is because he happens to be a cute gay guy and I guess subconsciously I relate to something about his story? Which doesn't excuse the actions he took, and makes me feel a bit embarrassed. But I find it interesting because, before now, I never understood why, for instance, African Americans rallied around OJ, etc. I wonder if I'm having the same reaction, and maybe now I can understand (even if I don't agree). I was really shaken and saddened by hearing his story, in a way that few things have touched me before.
 
Re: Am I sympathetic to Bradley Manning simply because he's gay?

So the real question is, would you still feel the same; eventually becoming one of those "death-row brides," if he had committed a terrorist act or capital murder? [-X

Inquiring minds want to know! ..|

Though you may get your chance to be in white lace just yet, as High Treason can spell the death sentence here (USA = Wild, Wild West), Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Geneva Conventions be damned! :gogirl:
 
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