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Should Bradley Manning Get the Death Penalty?


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Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

What do you consider cosmetic? I think I might have a different working definition than you. Someone's body can be considered a 'little fucked' because it feels wrong. For me, it physically feels wrong. I compared it once (somewhere, damned if I remember where) to the hemangiomas I had. They were heavy and uncomfortable and I wanted them gone.

Or take lower bits for instance - if you had an erectile issue, would you get pills for it or would you leave it that way because that's what your body naturally does? Do you also object to piercings and tattoos because it modifies the original packaging?

With much better medical science, in 500 years, with gene-by-gene and cell-by-cell control, 100.00000% infection suppression, and full reversibility, I'm sure I'd make my body into a science lab. I'd have 8 arms and 6 penises and balls the size of cantaloupes, and I'm sure I'd change my eye colour, and I'd add a third nipple. I'd want blue skin and gold hair and webbed fingers. I'm sure I'd try a vagina for at least a while. Or maybe I'd invent a new organ. I'd fiddle with everything.

But even in that future, my identity would not, obviously, be tied up in one particular anatomical configuration. For starters because I don't think I'd keep any of it. One version of my body would not feel more right than another or more fucked up than another. I think I'd feel that way in part, because of a healthy measure of self-acceptance with my physical being as it is, dings and wear marks and all. A change wouldn't make things "more right" or "more wrong." Nor would it be "meaningful."

I don't think I could enjoy my body more by making it look more like some other person's body, or more like an average male body, or more like an average female body, because my sense of contentedness in my physicality isn't associated in that way.

We're 500 years too early for that however. I don't think of the body as a shrine that is above modification or that the original packaging is somehow better. If you watch Big Bang Theory, I would have taken Spock out of the original packaging. It's only logical.
But I do find piercings and tattoos generally unexpressive to me.

My body is a blank canvas. Should it stay blank? Actually not a canvas. My body is like a 1990's computer monitor, and to me a tattoo or a piercing is like screen burn-in. Dead phosphors forever stuck showing an old image when the screen should have been able to show something else by now. Something lively. I object to them but not because the IMAGE of the original packaging was sacrosanct, but because they can't change. And I object to them because our medical science is so primitive and there is no reason for the risks of body modification, and no reason for the pain. Speaking of having different working definitions, I think pain and pleasure are defined partly by the way each of our brains are wired. In my own brain, they are utterly distinct and mutually exclusive. I seek pleasure and avoid pain, and the current generation of medical technology used in body modification is woefully inadequate.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

With much better medical science, in 500 years, with gene-by-gene and cell-by-cell control, 100.00000% infection suppression, and full reversibility, I'm sure I'd make my body into a science lab. I'd have 8 arms and 6 penises and balls the size of cantaloupes, and I'm sure I'd change my eye colour, and I'd add a third nipple. I'd want blue skin and gold hair and webbed fingers. I'm sure I'd try a vagina for at least a while. Or maybe I'd invent a new organ. I'd fiddle with everything.

But even in that future, my identity would not, obviously, be tied up in one particular anatomical configuration. For starters because I don't think I'd keep any of it. One version of my body would not feel more right than another or more fucked up than another. I think I'd feel that way in part, because of a healthy measure of self-acceptance with my physical being as it is, dings and wear marks and all. A change wouldn't make things "more right" or "more wrong." Nor would it be "meaningful."

I don't think I could enjoy my body more by making it look more like some other person's body, or more like an average male body, or more like an average female body, because my sense of contentedness in my physicality isn't associated in that way.

We're 500 years too early for that however. I don't think of the body as a shrine that is above modification or that the original packaging is somehow better. If you watch Big Bang Theory, I would have taken Spock out of the original packaging. It's only logical.
But I do find piercings and tattoos generally unexpressive to me.

My body is a blank canvas. Should it stay blank? Actually not a canvas. My body is like a 1990's computer monitor, and to me a tattoo or a piercing is like screen burn-in. Dead phosphors forever stuck showing an old image when the screen should have been able to show something else by now. Something lively. I object to them but not because the IMAGE of the original packaging was sacrosanct, but because they can't change. And I object to them because our medical science is so primitive and there is no reason for the risks of body modification, and no reason for the pain. Speaking of having different working definitions, I think pain and pleasure are defined partly by the way each of our brains are wired. In my own brain, they are utterly distinct and mutually exclusive. I seek pleasure and avoid pain, and the current generation of medical technology used in body modification is woefully inadequate.

Were you Jack Handey in another life because those are some deep thoughts

Click for Random Deep Thought
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

Because in general, people don't like my poor disabled trans ass. I'm not going to hold out hope that some middle class abled bodied guy - white or black - is going to come to my rescue. In general, that's not how life works.

And for the last time, it isn't just my experiences I take into account. There's hundreds of similar things on the trans boards and disabled boards I visit.

Awesome! I'm off the hook then?
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

I dunno, are you? =P

Poor people generally don't harass me. Neither do most of the people who have a disabled family member, although the mandatory stories get kind of old. As a statistical example, interracial violence of specific kinds are rare as hell. I was lost in philly and that day was presenting as female, I walked several miles, and ended up asking a construction worker how to get home. I'd asked several people before that, but they gave shitty directions. I was walking from early morning until after five, cuz everything was starting to close and get scarce, it was after closing rush. He said home was quite a ways away, he lived a few streets down. The construction worker was black. I accepted his offer of a ride home because he was black. Turns out he also had a blind brother - anyway, statistically, since I'm white I would've been safer with him. If it was a white guy who offered me a ride I would've thanked him and refused and tried to find a cop shop to call my roomie to come find my sorry ass. Police stations seem to be scarce there though, as I still haven't managed to spot one there.

It's a decent example of a safety issue, anyway.

There's a lot of things I take into account when I'm out in the world, but race is only one of them. If the construction workers' account of his blind brother rang false, I wouldn't have gotten in the car either.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

I dunno, are you? =P

Poor people generally don't harass me. Neither do most of the people who have a disabled family member, although the mandatory stories get kind of old. As a statistical example, interracial violence of specific kinds are rare as hell. I was lost in philly and that day was presenting as female, I walked several miles, and ended up asking a construction worker how to get home. I'd asked several people before that, but they gave shitty directions. I was walking from early morning until after five, cuz everything was starting to close and get scarce, it was after closing rush. He said home was quite a ways away, he lived a few streets down. The construction worker was black. I accepted his offer of a ride home because he was black. Turns out he also had a blind brother - anyway, statistically, since I'm white I would've been safer with him. If it was a white guy who offered me a ride I would've thanked him and refused and tried to find a cop shop to call my roomie to come find my sorry ass. Police stations seem to be scarce there though, as I still haven't managed to spot one there.

It's a decent example of a safety issue, anyway.

There's a lot of things I take into account when I'm out in the world, but race is only one of them. If the construction workers' account of his blind brother rang false, I wouldn't have gotten in the car either.

Yeah, I think I am. When I've been in a position to, I've never offered anyone a hand for the pleasure of having my sincerity judged on the past behaviour of other people. And certainly not because they might share some physical resemblance.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

Yeah, I think I am. When I've been in a position to, I've never offered anyone a hand for the pleasure of having my sincerity judged on the past behaviour of other people. And certainly not because they might share some physical resemblance.


Good for you. I'm just saying that other people have different things to watch out for because despite the popular refrain, not everyone is created equal in the eyes of society.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

If you don't want to be judged on the behavior of people in your group, fix your group. Lord knows I'm trying to, being white and all. White people as a whole need a good kick in the ass. Not having to watch out for certain shit is a privilege. ....Look, here's an example - although it ain't an example of white privilege, but able privilege.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_law

If I were born ten years earlier my parents could've been fined each time they took me out in public (and yes, we lived in Cali and then moved to PA, and both states had the laws) and you want me to ignore that? You think that kind of attitude disappears because someone signs a piece of paper saying I've got rights? Pffffft, It doesn't work like that. So yes, I'm going to keep an eye on whoever I meet to make sure they're not going to cause problems for me, and it's a constant evaluation depending on circumstance. And you can damn well bet a hell of a lot of other people are doing the same thing.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

This is so wrong......

Oh please. White people as a group instituted slavery, bred people for work, committed genocide against the Native Americans and people with disabilities, not to mention we're still yanking children away from the Native Americans that are left. There's a list a mile long of the shit white people as a group have done and are still doing. White people don't get to claim special snowflake individual status just because we signed a piece of paper that, technically, frees some people some of the time. Look up colorblindness in social justice. Hell, here - http://thesocietypages.org/specials/colorblindness-vs-race-consciousness/



Claiming you only look at peoples' individuality and character is a cop out. Character and individuality aren't shown in the split second that a first impression is made. Which is why racism and ablism is still alive and well.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

Oh please. White people as a group instituted slavery, bred people for work, committed genocide against the Native Americans and people with disabilities, not to mention we're still yanking children away from the Native Americans that are left. There's a list a mile long of the shit white people as a group have done and are still doing. White people don't get to claim special snowflake individual status just because we signed a piece of paper that, technically, frees some people some of the time. Look up colorblindness in social justice. Hell, here - http://thesocietypages.org/specials/colorblindness-vs-race-consciousness/



Claiming individuality is a cop out

Well...you have a lot of company that will agree with you so rock on...I am out. Not going there.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

You are correct...I don't understand now why you would have anything to do with them.

I don't. And my parents don't. They happen to be the brother and sister in law of my parents' next door neighbor. Every once in a while, they'd come around and they'd meet my parents outside. They did that when I lived with my parents years ago. My parents just saw them a couple months ago and they did it again to my parents. They told me about it. So, apparently they never got tired of doing it.

This is a simple case of a couple people realizing that they could annoy the hell out of a couple of old Asian people without any repercussion whatsoever. They'd see my parents out in the yard talking with neighbors or something and they'd come around, strain their eyes wide open, and stare at my parents straight in the eyes. These people are in their 30s and they act like children. They give a bad name for white Americans.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

@luckynumbah7

I am considered 'white' (Anglo/Celtic/Arab) but far from privileged. Example: I am denied a vast majority of scholarships/financial aid money on the basis of my ethnicity. Because I am white, I cannot apply for an array of things at my school simply because they are tailored toward 'minorities', despite the fact I am - well, as 'white' - a minority in downtown Toronto. The scholarships are largely, and ultimately, unclaimed, as for whatever reasons the targeted demographics do not claim them. There are plenty of free handouts to historically afflicted groups such as natives, African-(insert whatever)s etc.

Affirmative action programs are inherently detrimental to some group, somewhere. It's 2013. I was born in 1990. I am sixth-generation Canadian. I owe natives nothing. I did not steal their lands in the 18th century. I owe Jews nothing. I did not send their ships back to continental Europe in the 1940s. I owe black people nothing. I did not lynch anyone African. I owe transexuals, gays, any sexual minority, nothing. I should not be paying, with tax dollars, to fund programs and entire government departments for past atrocities I have no affiliation with. The 'black' children of today have no clue as to of how the past three centuries effected them. You can give me some bullshit, inner-city sob story, and I do not, will not, should not and won't care. There are programs in place to allow anyone of any persecuted background to overcome any perceived obstacles.

To spin this back to the OP, American taxpayers owe Chelsea Manning...guess what? Nothing! She is not entitled to gender reassignment on taxpaying dollars. Should have thought of that before she leaked files endangering the lives of others.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

I don't. And my parents don't. They happen to be the brother and sister in law of my parents' next door neighbor. Every once in a while, they'd come around and they'd meet my parents outside. They did that when I lived with my parents years ago. My parents just saw them a couple months ago and they did it again to my parents. They told me about it. So, apparently they never got tired of doing it.

This is a simple case of a couple people realizing that they could annoy the hell out of a couple of old Asian people without any repercussion whatsoever. They'd see my parents out in the yard talking with neighbors or something and they'd come around, strain their eyes wide open, and stare at my parents straight in the eyes. These people are in their 30s and they act like children. They give a bad name for white Americans.

You had me right up to the stupid statement you made at the end about "White Americans" and now I have no sympathy for you because if you are going to judge every white American based on these two people then you have a bigger problem than someone staring at you. Maybe they are taunting you for being judgemental pricks.

You can't really cry racism when you so openly practice it yourself.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

If you don't want to be judged on the behavior of people in your group, fix your group. Lord knows I'm trying to, being white and all. White people as a whole need a good kick in the ass. Not having to watch out for certain shit is a privilege. ....Look, here's an example - although it ain't an example of white privilege, but able privilege.


LOLOLOLOL.


I reject your nonsense. I'm being judged by you, wrongly, based on the appearance of other people of whom you are suspicious. And if your skill in judging me is any guide, your suspicions of the other people who look like me are probably also baseless. I'm part of no group. If someone else, who looks like me for some superficial reason like skin colour, happens to be an asshole, I have nothing more to do with it than you do, and I have no more obligation to fix their behaviour than you do.

And of course privilege is the best, most spectacular nonsense of all.

Do you seriously think I mourn the loss of that law? Or that because some people had an attitude favourable to that law, that most do? What do you make of the fact that the law was repealed? Just a big prank played by the "able" to lull people into a false sense of security?

I tell you something, it was not all that long ago that I could not afford to pick and choose who gave me a helping hand such that I could turn down a ride from a gay man or a white man or a bipolar bisexual woman or a drug-using prostitute drag queen, or.... If I had had that choice I can tell you it would have felt like a great privilege.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

You had me right up to the stupid statement you made at the end about "White Americans" and now I have no sympathy for you because if you are going to judge every white American based on these two people then you have a bigger problem than someone staring at you. Maybe they are taunting you for being judgemental pricks.

You can't really cry racism when you so openly practice it yourself.

Um, here comes that hypersensitivity again.

I didn't say every American. I said these couple of folks give white americans a bad name.

Imagine this. Imagine a family that just came from straight from Asia. And they have the misfortune of meeting these two.

What is it with the hypersensitivity these days?
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

LOLOLOLOL.


I reject your nonsense. I'm being judged by you, wrongly, based on the appearance of other people of whom you are suspicious. And if your skill in judging me is any guide, your suspicions of the other people who look like me are probably also baseless. I'm part of no group. If someone else, who looks like me for some superficial reason like skin colour, happens to be an asshole, I have nothing more to do with it than you do, and I have no more obligation to fix their behaviour than you do.

And of course privilege is the best, most spectacular nonsense of all.

Do you seriously think I mourn the loss of that law? Or that because some people had an attitude favourable to that law, that most do? What do you make of the fact that the law was repealed? Just a big prank played by the "able" to lull people into a false sense of security?

I tell you something, it was not all that long ago that I could not afford to pick and choose who gave me a helping hand. If I had had that choice I can tell you it would have felt like a great privilege.

^ Pretty much all of this. I find it disgusting how a few select 'non-white people' (and they make a specific effort to state this about themselves) on this forum throw passive-aggressive bashing of 'white people' around and cry about racism every hour. It's quite frankly disturbing, and a sad state of affairs.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

Um, here comes that hypersensitivity again.

I didn't say every American. I said these couple of folks give white americans a bad name.

Imagine this. Imagine a family that just came from straight from Asia. And they have the misfortune of meeting these two.

What is it with the hypersensitivity these days?

BULLSHIT

I think your assumption is lazy and a load of crap. If you think two individuals who stare at your parents (and god forbid they have gas or might be gay...eh?)...define or represent anyone but themselves...you are definitely part of the problem....not a victim.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

BULLSHIT

I think your assumption is lazy and a load of crap. If you think two individuals who stare at your parents (and god forbid they have gas or might be gay...eh?)...define or represent anyone but themselves...you are definitely part of the problem....not a victim.

I'm sorry, but did you ever take a reading class beyond 2nd grade?

Not a single one of my word even hinted that these 2 represent the white population at large.

What I said was there are a few rotten apples that give the rest a bad name, especially to a family that had just gotten off the boat with literally 10 dollars. Being laughed at because of our weird Asian accent or making fun of our names. It's not an easy thing to get over. Just think about it the next time you ask an Asian person how do you say this or that in their language. Because chances are they've met someone (almost always white) that asked them that and then proceeded to making fun of how funny it sounded.
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment


Not a single one of my word even hinted that these 2 represent the white population at large.


What I said was there are a few rotten apples that give the rest a bad name

Why would these people give the rest of the white population a bad name if they did not represent the white population at large? How can two single individuals who are white give "the rest" of white people a bad name? Explain this to me.

If I said you give Asians a bad name...it would be insane because you represent yourself...not the Asian race...so how could you possibly give any other Asian a bad name?
 
Re: Bradley Manning, convicted of WikiLeaks disclosures, announces desire for gender reassignment

I'm rather certain that the prison authorities will reject any request from Manning for gender reassignment...what else is new?
 
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