bugchasing and HIV

[Kulindahr]

Yeah...it can be real bad...pretty much disabled me at one point....all I wanted to do was scream until I didn't feel anything anymore.

I feel for your friend...I can see how that would haunt him and it is a very tough thing to overcome. I am convinced that it always stays with you on some level.

He had to stop shifts where there were kids -- he only took things like early morning lap swim and the senior citizen swims.

Later I think I came close to understanding what he went through, when I joined a river float, all inner tubes, as lifeguard, and had to go down under a submerged tree after a 9-y.o. kid who'd been sucked under. Even though I got him, I kept having nightmares of not getting him out, or getting him free but being trapped.

 

[eastofeden]

He had to stop shifts where there were kids -- he only took things like early morning lap swim and the senior citizen swims.

Later I think I came close to understanding what he went through, when I joined a river float, all inner tubes, as lifeguard, and had to go down under a submerged tree after a 9-y.o. kid who'd been sucked under. Even though I got him, I kept having nightmares of not getting him out, or getting him free but being trapped.

I am glad you got him out...I understand the nightmares.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am glad you got him out...I understand the nightmares.

Tanks.

 

[Telstra]

To the guys who celebrate and enjoy being hiv poz, why bother taking medication ?

 

[loveguys72]

People do all sorts of odd things. I gave up trying to figure out why a long time ago. It just made my head hurt.

 

[LeicsDom]

I never tried to get the bug but I used to hope I would get it so I would not have to sit and wait for the bullet to go through my head. I was always disappointed by the negative results because it meant I had to continue to be afraid and I HATE being afraid of anything. In my mind...having to live in fear constantly can be worse than death.

Wouldn't it be easier and quicker to jump under a bus???

 

[dereperez]

People do all sorts of odd things. I gave up trying to figure out why a long time ago. It just made my head hurt.

Good point.

 

[nafhoosier]

Disgusting human beings--if you could call them that.

Reading through that site, the attitude generally seems to be "if I'm a barebacker, it is inevitable that I'll catch the virus".

To be frank, that is a respectable, honest attitude. It seems that statement is being used by most of those 'bug-chasers' who have taken that statement to heart and just want to get their infection over with.

They're definitely right about one thing: It's almost inevitable getting the virus, living that life style.

There are so many morons in our community in all cities going around thinking they can 'sero-sort' correctly and bareback, avoiding infection. They actually believe they are beating the odds and won't get the virus.

In a way I respect these bug chasers more than those people who are completely oblivious to the reality of the world.

 

[Kulindahr]

To the guys who celebrate and enjoy being hiv poz, why bother taking medication ?

Because making all the rest of us pay for it spreads the misery?

 

[Rolyo85]

Yeah, it's incredibly stupid, but is it really that much more stupid than smoking cigarettes?
People are weird and behave in all kinds of self destructive ways.

Um... yes. Yes, it is that much more stupid. Yes.

 

[Kulindahr]

Um... yes. Yes, it is that much more stupid. Yes.

Objectively, there's a significant difference between smoking and not smoking. There's no equivalence at all with barebacking and being safe.

So you're right -- it is that much more stupid.

 

[Rolyo85]

That said, and while I think bug chasing is disgusting and selfish, I am also slightly disturbed by the judgmental malice evident in this topic. To me, those are very confused individuals who could do with some compassion, not some degenerate freaks who are genetically inferior to those of us lucky enough not to have become involved in these self-destructive circles.

 

[rareboy]

This all saddens me as well. I have no problem with those who are HIV positive going at it with one another both barrels blazing...but it dismays me to see the self-destructive want to risk their health and then, accordingly the health of others with pathologiccal behaviours.

sigh....

 

[Kulindahr]

That said, and while I think bug chasing is disgusting and selfish, I am also slightly disturbed by the judgmental malice evident in this topic. To me, those are very confused individuals who could do with some compassion, not some degenerate freaks who are genetically inferior to those of us lucky enough not to have become involved in these self-destructive circles.

"Lucky"?

There's no luck involved in making an informed decision.

 

[Willie Boy]

those are ..... not some degenerate freaks who are genetically inferior to those of us lucky enough not to have become involved in these self-destructive circles.

So.... making choices based on mere common sense and avoiding self destruction is to be considered luck nowadays?

I partially agree that they are not freaks. But the fact that they refuse to employ the smallest minutiae of common sense to make decisions that affect their health and well being for the rest of their (shortened) lives for a perceived (minor) increase in temporary pleasure...... That isn't a lack of luck but complete and utter stupidity. And it doesn't come from a genetic lack of intelligence but a refusal to use the intelligence they were born with.

 

[Rolyo85]

"Lucky"?

There's no luck involved in making an informed decision.

Yes. And if you don't see the luck involved, then you clearly know nothing of the circles one can inadvertently get tangled into in big cities.

 

[Rolyo85]

So.... making choices based on mere common sense and avoiding self destruction is to be considered luck nowadays?

I partially agree that they are not freaks. But the fact that they refuse to employ the smallest minutiae of common sense to make decisions that affect their health and well being for the rest of their (shortened) lives for a perceived (minor) increase in temporary pleasure...... That isn't a lack of luck but complete and utter stupidity. And it doesn't come from a genetic lack of intelligence but a refusal to use the intelligence they were born with.

Like I said, I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just saying that they are deeply confused and deserve compassion. That is all.

 

[Willie Boy]

Yes. And if you don't see the luck involved, then you clearly know nothing of the circles one can inadvertently get tangled into in big cities.

So, choosing who to associate with is now also a factor of luck?

Might as well go back to the old "the Devil made me do it" defense...... Or maybe the "twinkie" defense (they are back on the shelves these days).

 

[Rolyo85]

So, choosing who to associate with is now also a factor of luck?

Might as well go back to the old "the Devil made me do it" defense...... Or maybe the "twinkie" defense (they are back on the shelves these days).

Be as condescending as you like. Not every direction out lives take is a matter of choice, and people often get sucked into things they wouldn't normally "choose". Otherwise there would be no substance abuse, prostitution and any number of other self-destructive things..

 

[Telstra]

Be as condescending as you like. Not every direction out lives take is a matter of choice, and people often get sucked into things they wouldn't normally "choose". Otherwise there would be no substance abuse, prostitution and any number of other self-destructive things..

mmm ok bug chaser is a mental disease then and should be treated as such.