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CA Prop 8 - news and alerts [updated & merged]

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^Good grief! On the local news, the broadcaster reported that votes were "closing in." I wish the reporters would get something right. That was this am though. Maybe it changed since then.

Thanks for keeping us all informed!!
 
Alpha1851 said:
^Good grief! On the local news, the broadcaster reported that votes were "closing in." I wish the reporters would get something right. That was this am though. Maybe it changed since then.

Thanks for keeping us all informed!!
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That may be the case. I fell a little behind on this yesterday, trying to run my businesses and taking my friend to the hospital yesterday. I spent most of it in the hospital with him. And today I had to play catch up with my customers and grab info. when I could.
 
^I read about your neighbor in your Heart Attack thread. I hope he is doing well. It was very, very kind of you to help him. I live in the south, we like everything to go slowly so we're probably behind on the news as well and Prop 8 is sure to pass. *sigh*

You've done an amazing job here and in your community! I'll bet it is getting hard to balance work and everything else.
 


This is a great response from Gavin Newsom to the passage of Prop 8, on MSNBC... I love Newsom so much - he really gets it and he really cares, and he takes action.

I agree with the comments about getting involved with straight organizations and being out, out, out. I have worked for years at a law enforcement agency (in a civilian job) and have been totally out; in fact I get on the case of deputies if they make any comments I don't like. One of them commiserated about Prop 8 and said that he and his wife were strongly against it for personal reasons, which I'm sure means one or both has family members who are out to them. It is so important to be out, even if you're afraid of the consequences. Other minorities don't have the luxury of "passing"; gay and lesbian adults should not take advantage of that luxury. Any disadvantage or discomfort you deal with will make the path for future generations that much easier. If you live in shame, you will only give power to those that hate us...even if you make excuses to fool yourself into thinking it's not shame that keeps you in the closet, that you have good reasons to cower in the shadows, the truth is that it's only fear or selfishness that keeps you hiding. Give up your excuses and come out. If we were all out, this thing would not have passed, and the more of us that come out, the quicker it will be undone and equality will come to us.
 
Clayborne Carson, a Stanford professor who is a leading historian of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement, said Tuesday's vote for Barack Obama and Proposition 8 reminded him of a similar situation in the 1964 presidential election. That year, California helped send Lyndon B. Johnson to a landslide victory on the heels of the U.S. Civil Rights Act, but voters also approved Proposition 14, which voided a state law barring housing discrimination on the basis of race.

Carson said he is mystified that some people of faith differentiate between civil rights for racial minorities and civil rights for gay people.
"This is an issue that's not going to go away, and there's no way you can vote it away," Carson said. "I hope it's not just something that is forced on people who believe it's un-Christian, but that they themselves will come to a realization that they've allowed bigotry to shape the way in which they understand their own faith."
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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10935862?source=most_viewed
 
Fox News

http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/...=16&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Human Rights Campaign volunteer Ed Todeschini accused the church of helping propagate what he called misinformation about the Supreme Court ruling, including that gay marriage would have to be taught to kindergartners.
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Human Rights Campaign volunteer Ed Todeschini accused the church of helping propagate what he called misinformation about the Supreme Court ruling, including that gay marriage would have to be taught to kindergartners.
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Speaking on CNN's "Late Edition" Sunday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger expressed disappointment at Proposition 8's passage.

"It is unfortunate," Schwarzenegger told CNN correspondent John King. "But it is not the end because I think this will go back into the courts. ... It's the same as in the 1948 case when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry, this falls into the same category."
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noelie said:
^ So the professor is making the connection between civil rights for both racial and sexual orientation reasons based on the 'fact' that he believes that the denial of civil rights in both cases is based on bigotry - which effectively echoes the conclusions many of us here on JUB have come to.

Would you agree?
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without a doubt, yes. story after story of peoples experiences repeats the same thing. it is bigotry. many of the prop 8 supporters many not say it to the papers or on camera but in your gay face, they make it pretty clear.
 
Two more petitions opposing the legality of Prop. 8 have been filed. I'm really interested in seeing how the Atty. Gen. answers. And, if amicus briefs are allowed, I'm very, very interested to see which firms, organizations, non profit groups, LGBT groups, religious groups, etc. submit them in support of the law and in opposition of the law.
 
So one of my straight friends is over 80 years old. She has supported us from the beginning and has told her friends off that wanted to vote for 8. Now, these same people are coming back to her and asking "what is it that they want." :eek: The level of stupidity of some people is just mind-boggling.
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
Don't confuse stupidity with ignorance; there's been a lot said by the opposition that needs to be waded through...

RG
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As a voter, don't you have a duty to educate yourself on all the information out there before you cast your ballot? As a citizen, don't we all have a duty to read up on the issues, and assess them logically? I don't get the whole ignorance thing. It's to easy to find scholarly information out there. Plus, the vote Yes et al. in my opinion, said some crazy, insane, absolutely unfucking believable shit. Like, if gay marriage is legal, our school kids will be forced to attend homo weddings--while at school. Cause goodness knows while growing up, I went on several field trips that included hetero weddings. Seriously, I'd like to know who in the hell bought into that. Or again, the gay marriage will open up adoption to gay couples. There's already a statute in CA making this legal. Any adult can adopt. I mean, how hard is it to look up the statute and see it's already legal.

See, that's the part that puzzles me. The Vote Yes ads got crazier and crazier. More emotional, more unbelievable, more outrageous. I loved it b/c I thought it would help us out. I mean, the claims they were making were ridiculous. No reasonable person, whether they hated the idea of gay marriage or not, could buy into that stuff. And yet, they still won. I'm puzzled. Why didn't their ignorant ads ruin their credibility?
 
Alpha1851 said:
A lot of bullshit is still being said by those who want to deter gay civil rights--I pray people can get over their stupidity and educate themselves on the issues. On what's real and what's just rhetoric. *crosses fingers*
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If they truly are stupid, then there is no way anyone can educate them. If they are merely ignorant, however, then it is up to us to educate them. More important, we need to recognize our own ignorance; blaming it on someone just because they belong to a particular group doesn't help matters. After all, plenty of religious people voted against the proposition and plenty of non-religious people voted for the proposition, and that's something that's been blithely ignored.

It's interesting how many are falling for the same trap that they see others falling in...

RG
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
If they truly are stupid, then there is no way anyone can educate them. If they are merely ignorant, however, then it is up to us to educate them. More important, we need to recognize our own ignorance; blaming it on someone just because they belong to a particular group doesn't help matters. After all, plenty of religious people voted against the proposition and plenty of non-religious people voted for the proposition, and that's something that's been blithely ignored.

It's interesting how many are falling for the same trap that they see others falling in...

RG
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Actually, my point had nothing to do w/ blame. Assigning blame won't change what happened and it won't get us anywhere. I'm just curious about the credibility issue.

Oh, so you're saying that the Vote No side had false ads too that mistated laws and such? I personally didn't see any, but I don't reside in CA. I only looked on youtube...and that isn't guaranteed to have them all.
 
Alpha1851 said:
Actually, my point had nothing to do w/ blame. Assigning blame won't change what happened and it won't get us anywhere. I'm just curious about the credibility issue.
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I'm not trying to assign blame either. I'm just tired of people slamming others for essentially disagreeing with them. The Yes on 8 people were able to make a strong case for their proposition based on the ignorance of their target audience; they took advantage of parental concerns (the sex education issue) and that the average person isn't really aware of the rights of married people, with a huge number of ads. They went for the emotional punch, and so succeeded.

Conversely, No On 8 went pretty much the intellectual route, and didn't seem to have as many ads. In fact, the single most effective ad (the anti-Mormon one), wasn't played until the day of the vote, making it basically nice, but highly ineffective (people had pretty much already voted).

Based solely on the advertising campaign, it was a wonder that the vote was as good as it was...

Oh, so you're saying that the Vote No side had false ads too that mistated laws and such? I personally didn't see any, but I don't reside in CA. I only looked on youtube...and that isn't guaranteed to have them all.
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I think that there just needed to be more ads; they were good, there just weren't enough of them...

RG
 
Actually, I think Conservatives have demonstrated quite nicely for the past 8 years that lying will get you anything.
 
The AP reports that over one--third of California's legislators filed a friend-of-the-court brief calling on the state's Supreme Court to overturn Proposition 8 yesterday:

"Forty-four members of the California Legislature filed a friend-of-the-court brief in support one of the three lawsuits seeking to invalidate Proposition 8. The case, brought on behalf of gay couples who have not yet married, argues the ban should be tossed out because voters did not have the authority to make such a dramatic change in state law. The brief argues that the gay marriage ban improperly usurped the state Supreme Court's duty to protect minority groups from discrimination."

Here's the gist of what it may come down to:

"'In passing Prop 8, the people of California basically put an asterisk next to the equal protection clause in the constitution,' said William Araiza, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. Now, he said, 'it fundamentally comes down to whether the court considers this a major change or not a major change.' Specifically, opponents of Proposition 8 argue that this kind of change is a 'revision,' not an 'amendment.' The distinction is important, legal experts say, because revisions require two-thirds approval in the legislature and then a popular vote. Amendments can be approved by popular vote only."

Court spokeswoman Lynn Holton said yesterday that the Court may rule as early as this week.


http://www.queerty.com/legal-battle-for-prop-8-heats-up-20081111/


http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10949922
 
darlingstacy said:
LA Board of Supervisors Joins Gay Marriage Ban Lawsuit

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/the-los-angeles.html
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Yarolslavsky noted that was “a close call” given how divided the state and county have been on the question of gay marriage. He said that he was not always a supporter of gay marriage (he supported civil unions instead) but said he “was persuaded” by colleagues and his children.
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Hey look, the children can make a difference. ..|
 
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