Chelsea Clinton sort of being pimped out

[NickCole]

Typical of the way the Clintons are being treated by the media.

Imagine the uproar if a news person said Michelle Obama or some other female Obama surrogate were being pimped out?

 

[grantt]

Heads would roll and jobs would be lost if that ever happened.

 

[naked gent]

Typical of the way the Clintons are being treated by the media.

Imagine the uproar if a news person said Michelle Obama or some other female Obama surrogate were being pimped out?

Gee Nick he was suspended....that not good enough for you?

Would you prefer he had been fired....or shot?

 

[MrJason]

This is a fairly popular figure of speech. This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.

I agree. Not that big of a deal. But if I had a daughter and they said that on the news I'd issue a statement condemning it too. Now bowing out of debates, I'm not so sure that's the message she wants to be sending, PC police, and that whole argument.

 

[NickCole]

Gee Nick he was suspended....that not good enough for you?

Would you prefer he had been fired....or shot?

Revenge doesn't interest me, and punishing adults with suspension is ridiculous IMO.

I don't support suspending him any more than I supported firing Imus. But Imus was fired, which speaks to the difference between how racist and sexist remarks are treated.

And you did fail very successfully at missing my point.

This has not been a widely reported story and it took a long time before it became a new thread here; if it had been said of Michelle Obama or another female Obama surrogate, all hell would have broken loose immediately. It's an important point to consider in the context of the way these campaigns are going.

 

[naked gent]

I don't support suspending him any more than I supported firing Imus. But Imus was fired, which speaks to the difference between how racist and sexist remarks are treated.

Nick you might want to further explain that difference to Larry Summers.......I'm guessing it eludes him.

 

[iman]

Shuster is a Chris Matthews protege and his remarks are part of a pattern of bias at MSNBC.
MediaMatters has been very good at reporting on this:

NBC President Steve Capus’ statement is the best sign yet that NBC News is beginning to take seriously the lengthy pattern of inappropriate comments about women made by NBC and MSNBC reporters. But apologies and statements and even suspensions don’t mean anything unless they are followed by an actual change in behavior. Things didn’t change at NBC/MSNBC after the Matthews controversy; hopefully they will this time

http://mediamatters.org/

 

[sunoftheskye]

I'm so confused as to why this is even controversial. o___O

 

[sunoftheskye]

Well, it was a stupid thing to say. I'm not sure how it could be a bad thing for a candidate's child to help with their campaign. Young, reclusive Clinton did nothing wrong, from any report I've seen, so accusing her of being a 'prostitute' for her mom is unfair and stupid. I disagree with politicizing this against Obama, claiming the media is misogynist, or having anything to do with that laughable vast conspiracy nonsense.

But it doesn't seem to me they were intending it to be an attack, it's simply a figure of speech. They were pimping out Chelsea in the same way that Hillary was pimping out Bill, same way Obama was pimping out Oprah, etc.

I guess I've just seen that wording used more frequently than most.

 

[sunoftheskye]

I saw it on Towleroad I think. Lemme find it.

SHUSTER: Bill, there's just something a little bit unseemly to me that Chelsea's out there calling up celebrities, saying support my mom, and she's apparently also calling these super delegates.

BILL PRESS: Hey, she's working for her mom. What's unseemly about that? During the last campaign, the Bush twins were out working for their dad. I think it's great, I think she's grown up in a political family, she's got politics in her blood, she loves her mom, she thinks she'd make a great president --

SHUSTER: But doesn't it seem like Chelsea's sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?

 

[noah617]

 

[noah617]

Seems like more and more these "journalists/analysts" get caught up in trying to make their point by being over the top or outrageous. The more entertaining and controversial they can be the better their job security. Standards of objectivity are completely gone. He certainly could have discussed the merits of Chelsea's involvement in her mom's campaign without taking the low route. How could her helping her mother be anything but a good thing?

 

[NickCole]

But it doesn't seem to me they were intending it to be an attack, it's simply a figure of speech.

It was a derogatory remark about the Clintons and her campaign.

And, as Media Matters has catalogued, the sexist subtext denigrating Mrs. Clinton's candidacy has been happening for weeks now. If members of the media had been making racist remarks in the exact same vein, there'd be an uproar. But this gets passed by with shrugs even though it has a similarly corrosive effect on her campaign.

Ask yourself this first, before you dismiss what I'm saying: if what I'm saying is true -just IF it is- would that bother you or do you think racist/sexist/homophobic degradation is okay?

 

[chance1]

Chelsea is being used by the Clintons as a voice for Hillary's run - it's that simple

if she was not, then the remark would never have happened

it was a poor choice of words

not worthy of a suspension

keith olbermann does worse every night - calling the president a killer - our president

double standard bullshit - as always

and it's the height of absurdity and hyprocrisy

and people do see thru it

which is the saving grace

i love the juicy irony too that an obviously liberal network is accused of this stuff

it's good

 

[NickCole]

Seems like more and more these "journalists/analysts" get caught up in trying to make their point by being over the top or outrageous.

That's true, but probably a more likely scenario in this case is that they spend a lot of time talking off-air and some of that language accidently slips in on-air. Some here in this thread have said "pimping her" is something they've heard used casually. Bill's (the other commentator on the tape) response to David's "pimping her" comment shows he wasn't shocked or outraged.

In public conversation, sexist talk among men is a lot more acceptable these days than racist talk among whites. David Schuster, a relative nobody in cable news, says "pimping her" and is merely suspended; Don Imus says "nappy headed hos" and he --a very lucrative star for the station-- is fired, which cost the station a lot of revenue. And the thing about sexist or racist or homophobic talk, when it's not challenged, is that it feeds the degradation of the target. The subliminal message is to empower the bigotry and diminish the power of the woman or African American or gay man. When that happens enough, over and over and over, it can certainly impact an election just as it impacts personal relationships or office atmosphere.

 

[chance1]

That's true, but probably a more likely scenario in this case is that they spend a lot of time talking off-air and some of that language accidently slips in on-air. Some here in this thread have said "pimping her" is something they've heard used casually. Bill's (the other commentator on the tape) response to David's "pimping her" comment shows he wasn't shocked or outraged.

In public conversation, sexist talk among men is a lot more acceptable these days than racist talk among whites. David Schuster, a relative nobody in cable news, says "pimping her" and is merely suspended; Don Imus says "nappy headed hos" and he --a very lucrative star for the station-- is fired. And the thing about sexist or racist or homophobic talk, when it's not challenged, is that it feeds the degradation of the target. The subliminal message is to empower the bigotry and diminish the power of the woman or African American or gay man. When that happens enough, over and over and over, it can certainly impact an election just as it impacts personal relationships or office atmosphere.

how interesting that ur so offended by this - that u bring up sexism

when ur buddy alfie used to degrade women all the time with much worse shit than this - on a regular basis

and yet u were silent

i find that ..........

very interesing

 

[NickCole]

keith olbermann does worse every night - calling the president a killer - our president

Olberman calling Bush a killer is not feeding into a cultural stereotype using code phrases.

Totally different scenario.

 

[NickCole]

how interesting that ur so offended by this - that u bring up sexism

when ur buddy alfie used to degrade women all the time with much worse shit than this - on a regular basis

and yet u were silent

i find that ..........

very interesing

I was not silent.

I called him out about it here on the forum and in comments and PMs.

 

[chance1]

I was not silent.

I called him out about it here on the forum and in comments and PMs.

pms and comments i have no knowledge - i will take ur word for it

i don't recall any forum comments - cuz many times i reached out to people to condemn his words

and only 1 did - i forget his name - funny dude - he's no longer posting - i will remember later - him and alfie got into it pretty good

alfie's sexist and degrading remarks were pretty substantial

and i don't recall a single time u calling him out publicly

if u did, my bad

 

[NickCole]

i don't recall any forum comments - cuz many times i reached out to people to condemn his words

If I call out someone for what he says, I do it because I decide for my reasons it's the right thing to do, and I do it my way and in my time.