Citizens Should Work and Pay a Tax to Qualify for Universal Healthcare [SPLIT]

[Benvolio]

Again...you persist in pretending that the only way of contributing is through income tax. Which is nonsense.

And as someone who thrives in a socialist/capitalist system.....I can assure you that you are wrong. In fact, in Canada, we seem to have as many or even more rights and freedoms than any other country on earth.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...nnials-frequently-on-the-run/article27066853/

You can keep spinning the myths and lies...but the fact is, the US comes in at only 15th when it comes to freedom.

And try as you might, you can trick smart people into thinking that socialism and communism are the same thing.

The US is not the same as Canada. The democrats would never allow a natoional sales or vat tax, because their ideology is that most people should gat a free ride at the expense os a few.
Socialism, liberalism and communism are not the same, but they are on a scale from bad to worse, all having marxism as their underlying psychology, if not their conscious ideology.

 

[rareboy]

This is such bullshit.

Socialism preceded Marxism by millenia.

 

[Benvolio]

This is such bullshit.

Socialism preceded Marxism by millenia.

Nevertheless, they share the same inderlying psychology, and much of the same agenda.

 

[Alnitak]

^ This is why coverage from birth for an entire population is the only practical way of assessing and managing risk and costs. Once you have the largest pool possible contributing to private or state coverage , the demographically based needs of the entire population become more predictable (with episodic and sometimes catastrophic exceptions) and the costs more manageable.

Law of large numbers makes insurance much easier for companies to assess risk and be able to securely offer low premiums.

 

[Keeland]

Nevertheless, they share the same inderlying psychology, and much of the same agenda.

As do capitalism and nazism.

 

[Benvolio]

As do capitalism and nazism.

Nonsense. The underlying psychology and ideology of capitalism is that freedom is best, and that with freedom people will work their hardest and with the most innovation, for the benefit of all. Fascism and communism, and to a lesser degree, socialism, aim at total control and total denial of freedom.

 

[Keeland]

Nonsense. The underlying psychology and ideology of capitalism is that freedom is best,

The freedom to be murdered by cops on an assembly-line scale, as in Nazi Germany, have every cent you have stolen by highway robbers otherwise known as cops, as in Nazi Germany, planted evidence to imprison citizens, as in Nazi Germany, a corrupt justice system with white-supremacist judges, as in Nazi Germany,

and that with freedom people will work their hardest and with the most innovation, for the benefit of all.

Fascism and communism, and to a lesser degree, socialism, aim at total control and total denial of freedom.

pay starvation wages and if they could get away with it none at all, as in slave-state Nazi Germany — using the U.S. template — and have capitalist demigods running for the highest office in the land by preaching hatred, fear and dehumanization of a scapegoat target group, as in Nazi Germany.

Keep up your asinine likening of socialism and communism, and I'll keep likening the United Police States of America to Nazi Germany, which, if it wasn't fascist, was nothing.

 

[Alnitak]

Nonsense. The underlying psychology and ideology of capitalism is that freedom is best, and that with freedom people will work their hardest and with the most innovation, for the benefit of all. Fascism and communism, and to a lesser degree, socialism, aim at total control and total denial of freedom.

With capitalism people can put their hard work to the most effect, which is not in every case the best effect for society. The best parts of capitalism and socialism make for the best society.

 

[TX-Beau]

Law of large numbers makes insurance much easier for companies to assess risk and be able to securely offer low premiums.

The point of healthcare is not low premiums. Everyone else does it cheaper with no premiums at all. I pay $800.00/month, I don't fucking call that low anyway.

 

[Benvolio]

With capitalism people can put their hard work to the most effect, which is not in every case the best effect for society. The best parts of capitalism and socialism make for the best society.

The reason for the great success of capitalism is that if people work hard for their own benefit and that of their family, it ultimately benefits all of society. Self interest is the great motivator and altruism very little. Capitalism exploits self interst for the benefit of all. Socialism discourages hard work and innovation by appropriating the results.

 

[frankfrank]

The point of healthcare is not low premiums. Everyone else does it cheaper with no premiums at all. I pay $800.00/month, I don't fucking call that low anyway.

Even if you NEVER, EVER get sick...you are already paying more for your health care than people are spending IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH, even averaging in the sickest-of-the-sick in those other countries.

You're helping pay for the Van Goghs and Manets that are hanging in the palatial offices of those who run the insurance companies.

Wrong on so, so many levels.

 

[Willie Boy]

You diluted my point, perhaps on purpose and with little thought. Quotes should be sacrosanct.

No. Your point was in error and held no water. It was nothing. Quotes should be corrected for truth when necessary. You are welcome.

 

[opinterph]

No. Your point was in error and held no water. It was nothing. Quotes should be corrected for truth when necessary. You are welcome.

A quote is a quote. You should provide your proposed correction(s) outside the attribution.

 

[Kulindahr]

The NYTimes, MSNBC, the Democratic Central Committee, Harvard University, and the Catholic Church are going to resist losing their freedom of speech, the press, and religion.

They can't lose what they don't have. Speech is something that individual persons do. This business of assigning speech to inanimate objects is ludicrous.

 

[Kulindahr]

That wouldn't stop corporations from lobbying to get politicians to pass the laws/loopholes in the laws that are beneficial to their desires. The only way to truly make it work is to take away the ability of these corporations to fund such lobbying efforts. To do that one needs take away their financial power..... That would then take away their ability to supply the insurance they do, though, as they will no longer have the funds to back up their commitments. Maybe instead we should just do away with the whole process of lobbying and just have politicians vote on the bills they honestly believe in. Then we'd need to get politicians in office we truly believed in.......

Yeah, none of that is going to happen in any of your lifetimes.

Lobbying is a political right. As such, it applies only to individuals.

 

[Benvolio]

They can't lose what they don't have. Speech is something that individual persons do. This business of assigning speech to inanimate objects is ludicrous.

You said they have no political rights, which would include broadcast and newspapers. How could a university function without freedom of speech and the press? How can a church function without freedom of speech and the press.How will the democrat committee function? You are being very silly.

 

[Kulindahr]

Nonsense. The underlying psychology and ideology of capitalism is that freedom is best, and that with freedom people will work their hardest and with the most innovation, for the benefit of all. Fascism and communism, and to a lesser degree, socialism, aim at total control and total denial of freedom.

No, the underlying premise of capitalism is that the more money one has, the less one should have to work to get more.

You insist on mixing free markets with capitalism. They are not the same. Capitalism trends against the freedom of markets unless it is kept in check.

 

[Kulindahr]

You said they have no political rights, which would include broadcast and newspapers. How could a university function without freedom of speech and the press? How can a church function without freedom of speech and the press.How will the democrat committee function? You are being very silly.

Trying to get this across is just like teaching fourth grade.

Churches do not talk. Universities do not talk. INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS talk.

Get it yet?

 

[Benvolio]

No, the underlying premise of capitalism is that the more money one has, the less one should have to work to get more.

You insist on mixing free markets with capitalism. They are not the same. Capitalism trends against the freedom of markets unless it is kept in check.

Capialis is more than free markets. It includes the feedom to work as one wants, to save, to build, to innovate, to hire others, to sell without stifling interference from the government. Some minimal regularion is necessary but liberals always think that if some is good, then total regulation to impose the liberal agenda and stifle the freedom of the business is better. The freedom to pursue self interest is the lifeblood of free enterprise and progress, and it is precisely what liberals, socialists and marxists want to impede.

 

[Kulindahr]

Capialis is more than free markets. It includes the feedom to work as one wants, to save, to build, to innovate, to hire others, to sell without stifling interference from the government. Some minimal regularion is necessary but liberals always think that if some is good, then total regulation to impose the liberal agenda and stifle the freedom of the business is better. The freedom to pursue self interest is the lifeblood of free enterprise and progress, and it is precisely what liberals, socialists and marxists want to impede.

You described free markets, then went into reciting propaganda. You didn't say anything about capitalism.

You claim to be a lawyer, and all the evidence is against it. You claim to understand capitalism, but all the evidence is against it. You claim to be a conservative, but there's a heck of a lot of evidence against that.