Citizens Should Work and Pay a Tax to Qualify for Universal Healthcare [SPLIT]

[lambdaboy]

In the United Kingdom our National Health which is free s paid through our Taxes. However once you retire or if your disabled or out of work you get the same coverage. No one is turned away Needless to say anything started by what ever the fuck his name is annoys me.

Benvolio what ever your name is if you were the last gay man on Earth Id be celibate fool!

 

[rareboy]

Remember this when you pretend that socialism/liberalism/communism are not related. They all stem from the notion that people can work for altruism as well as for self interest. Actually, in the earliest days, the Pilgrims attempted a communal system with people working the same land and sharing the harvest. It didn't work, as reported by Governor Bradfor in "Of Plymouth Plantation"http://www.governmentalwaysfails.com/thanksgiving-pilgrims-rejected-socialism-in-favor-of-private-enterprise/

"The less industrious members of the colony came late to their work in the fields, and were slow and easy in their labors. Knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whatever the group produced, they saw little reason to be more diligent their efforts. The harder working among the colonists became resentful that their efforts would be redistributed to the more malingering members of the colony. Soon they, too, were coming late to work and were less energetic in the fields.

As Governor Bradford explained in his old English (though with the spelling modernized):

“For the young men that were able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children, without recompense. The strong, or men of parts, had no more division of food, clothes, etc. then he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labor, and food, clothes, etc. with the meaner and younger sort, thought it some indignant and disrespect unto them. And for men’s wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc. they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could man husbands brook it.”

To their credit, the colonists finally realized their error and changed course. In their third year at Plymouth, the colonists re-introduced private property, and allowed families to keep or trade whatever surplus they produced. As a result, conditions for the colonists improved significantly. As Governor Bradford recorded in his diary

By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God. And the effect of their planting was well seen, for all had, one way or other, pretty well to bring the year about, and some of the abler sort and more industrious had to spare, and sell to others, so as any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day."

Human nature has not changed, but liberals never learn. This time, it really, really will work.

Blah blah blah

I come from farming stock.

Barn raisings, house raisings, church raisings and threshing were community affairs. Even into my teens, there were families and neighbours who farmed co-operatively, sharing the costs and use of expensive equipment and their help.

Many municipal corporations are pure co-operatives and a number of states and jurisdictions were established as Commonwealths.

The English noun "commonwealth" in the sense meaning "public welfare; general good or advantage" dates from the 15th century.

Socialism is the foundation of the charity of the Churches.....it was to aid in the redistribution to those in need.


Once again, you demonstrate that you have only the most rudimentary and binary grasp of socio-political history and philosophy commensurate with a mid-level high school education.

 

[Keeland]

Once again, you demonstrate that you have only the most rudimentary and binary grasp of socio-political history and philosophy commensurate with a mid-level high school education.

He'll get back to you after finishing clapping all the blackboard erasers together during recess.

 

[Benvolio]

Blah blah blah

I come from farming stock.

Barn raisings, house raisings, church raisings and threshing were community affairs. Even into my teens, there were families and neighbours who farmed co-operatively, sharing the costs and use of expensive equipment and their help.

Many municipal corporations are pure co-operatives and a number of states and jurisdictions were established as Commonwealths.

The English noun "commonwealth" in the sense meaning "public welfare; general good or advantage" dates from the 15th century.

Socialism is the foundation of the charity of the Churches.....it was to aid in the redistribution to those in need.


Once again, you demonstrate that you have only the most rudimentary and binary grasp of socio-political history and philosophy commensurate with a mid-level high school education.

You've never even seen thrashing, much less done it; or barn raising, house raising, or church raising. And your father did not split the crops equally with those who did not work.

 

[star-warrior]

You've never even seen thrashing, much less done it; ....

You can't even spell threshing ..........

 

[rareboy]

You've never even seen thrashing, much less done it; or barn raising, house raising, or church raising. And your father did not split the crops equally with those who did not work.

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It is Threshing....not 'Thrashing' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshing and yes....I actually have done it....and participated in barn raisings....and Habitat for Humanity. But that is irrelevant to the discussion.

The point is.....the farming and good church going communities that formed one of the cornerstones of Colonial America were way more co-operative and more socialist than you will ever understand becuse you are neither well educated enough, nor do you appear to have a desire to understand how things work.

 

[Benvolio]

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It is Threshing....not 'Thrashing' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshing and yes....I actually have done it....and participated in barn raisings....and Habitat for Humanity. But that is irrelevant to the discussion.

The point is.....the farming and good church going communities that formed one of the cornerstones of Colonial America were way more co-operative and more socialist than you will ever understand becuse you are neither well educated enough, nor do you appear to have a desire to understand how things work.

So, you think socialism works. Most liberals pretend not to be socialists.

 

[TX-Beau]

So, you think socialism works. Most liberals pretend not to be socialists.

That's because Socialism isn't Liberalism, and if Ben had ever spoken to a Liberal, he'd know most Liberals ARE Liberal Socialists!!!

HOOORAH for higher education!!!!

 

[Benvolio]

I live in a farm state and I have never seen threshing/thrashing. It is an archaic practice and word.

 

[TX-Beau]

I live in a farm state and I have never seen threshing/thrashing. It is an archaic practice and word.

I suppose the kernels LEAP off the cob of their own volition wherever it is that Ben actually lives.

 

[Keeland]

I live in a farm state and I have never seen threshing/thrashing. It is an archaic practice and word.

You're thrashing.

 

[otters]

You're thrashing.

You are so mean!

I would say, we should collect some money for Ben so that he can afford a nice Rrrrrussssian Rrrrrentboy who gives him … a thorrrrough thrrrrraeshing

 

[jbrown329]

I live in a farm state and I have never seen threshing/thrashing. It is an archaic practice and word.

Industrialization of threshing began in 1786 with the invention of the threshing machine by Scotsman Andrew Meikle. Today, in developed areas, it is now mostly done by machine, usually by a combine harvester, which harvests, threshes, and winnows the grain while it is still in the field.

Which is how it's done south of me. Wheat, lentils, peas, barley and other crops.

 

[rareboy]

So, you think socialism works. Most liberals pretend not to be socialists.

I know it fucking works. I live in Canada, a socialist/capitalist country similar to western Europe and Scandinavia.

 

[rareboy]

Industrialization of threshing began in 1786 with the invention of the threshing machine by Scotsman Andrew Meikle. Today, in developed areas, it is now mostly done by machine, usually by a combine harvester, which harvests, threshes, and winnows the grain while it is still in the field.

Which is how it's done south of me. Wheat, lentils, peas, barley and other crops.

I've done combining too, of course and in fact when I was growing up, there were still parties where groups of neighbours would help one another out during harvest on kind of a rotation if needed.

 

[jbrown329]

I know it fucking works. I live in Canada, a socialist/capitalist country similar to western Europe and Scandinavia.

STFU! You don't know what the fuck you're talking about! /SARCASM

 

[Kabluey]

Remember this when you pretend that socialism/liberalism/communism are not related. They all stem from the notion that people can work for altruism as well as for self interest. Actually, in the earliest days, the Pilgrims attempted a communal system with people working the same land and sharing the harvest. It didn't work, as reported by Governor Bradfor in "Of Plymouth Plantation"http://www.governmentalwaysfails.com/thanksgiving-pilgrims-rejected-socialism-in-favor-of-private-enterprise/

"The less industrious members of the colony came late to their work in the fields, and were slow and easy in their labors. Knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whatever the group produced, they saw little reason to be more diligent their efforts. The harder working among the colonists became resentful that their efforts would be redistributed to the more malingering members of the colony. Soon they, too, were coming late to work and were less energetic in the fields.

As Governor Bradford explained in his old English (though with the spelling modernized):

“For the young men that were able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children, without recompense. The strong, or men of parts, had no more division of food, clothes, etc. then he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labor, and food, clothes, etc. with the meaner and younger sort, thought it some indignant and disrespect unto them. And for men’s wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc. they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could man husbands brook it.”

To their credit, the colonists finally realized their error and changed course. In their third year at Plymouth, the colonists re-introduced private property, and allowed families to keep or trade whatever surplus they produced. As a result, conditions for the colonists improved significantly. As Governor Bradford recorded in his diary

By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God. And the effect of their planting was well seen, for all had, one way or other, pretty well to bring the year about, and some of the abler sort and more industrious had to spare, and sell to others, so as any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day."

Human nature has not changed, but liberals never learn. This time, it really, really will work.

It's almost as though you read what I wrote.

Interesting that you choose to regurgitate conservative homilies about the failure of a remote religious cult on the edge of a largely hostile continent as an allegory for modern USA.

Do you understand that colonial settlement in pretty much every country settled befell similar circumstances and challenges, regardless of political system and religion? The settlement of the USA is not particularly exceptional.

The USA became strong when it formed a commonwealth with democratic governance funded by a robust tax system.
It also incorporated societal and technological advances during the course of its history (with the exception of universal healthcare).

 

[jbrown329]

I've done combining too, of course and in fact when I was growing up, there were still parties where groups of neighbours would help one another out during harvest on kind of a rotation if needed.

Have seen several stories on the news here about sick farmers that couldn't harvest. Other farmers showed up with their own equipment/fuel and harvest the crop (for free).

 

[Benvolio]

Industrialization of threshing began in 1786 with the invention of the threshing machine by Scotsman Andrew Meikle. Today, in developed areas, it is now mostly done by machine, usually by a combine harvester, which harvests, threshes, and winnows the grain while it is still in the field.

Which is how it's done south of me. Wheat, lentils, peas, barley and other crops.

Thresher, its called combining. The few threshing machines left are museum pieces. Corn also is combined. It is not called threshing.

 

[Benvolio]

The pilgrim story illustrates the defference between socialism/liberalism/communism on the one hand and free enterprise/capitalism on the other. By confiscating the results of hard work and innovation, socialismdiscourages them.
'Commonwealth" does not suggest socialism as you imply. I merely means a republic. This is from Wikipedia;" 1.
an independent country or community, especially a democratic republic."