Corbin Fisher: TJ finally goes M2M.

[PhunkSpunk]

Last year there was a weekly half hour series on HBO about the porn industry. One week it focused on gay porn and they talked with Chi Chi Larue - out of costume and character - throughout the show. He said about 60% of the guys in gay porn are gay for pay heteros because it pays so much better than straight porn.

'Going Down in the Valley' -- a brilliant series.

A lot of straight porn models get paid jack: getting to fuck a hot babe is considered their payment. Apparently, producers just have to put up flyers at USC, and the dudes line up.

Ironically, it's the Ron Jeremy's who get paid: part of the fantasy of hetero porn is seeing an average to ugly guy get down with a hot babe.

So apparently there are a lot of straight guys doing gay porn and able to do the deed with another guy. I really would like to know the true psychological explanation of that.

That sexuality can be entirely situational is a pretty well established fact. Just look at the phenomenon of 'prison fairies' who wouldn't give guys a second thought when the return to the outside.

These guys are in their late teens/early twenties. Their final sexuality isn't yet written in stone: i.e. they are still 'sexual' as opposed to straight or gay. While they may be primarily straight, a nice pay check might be all the incentive they need. Of course it helps if they don't have too much insight: nothing deflates a boner like self-awareness

As many have said, Logan is a favorite because he acts so playful and even a bit goofey. Most of the guys don't come across as having any personality, and I like his comments as he interacts with the other models. He acts like a college age wild and crazy party guy would act.

yup, that's the Logan mystique in a nutshell Logan and Dawson are very playful together.

I love Dawson when he cums. He closes his eyes and his mouth is half open, while he has those body spasms. He truly seems like he's in another world. At least once after he and the other model came, he said "You're a hot fuck". He's so sexy when he says things like that.

Yes, Dawson cums with an intensity similar to a chick's. There's a reason why the French call the orgasm 'petit mort' (little death). He looses all self awareness in the moment.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

But getting fucked up the ass and getting into it the way these guys do (cumming while the other dude's dick is deep inside them)--- no way.

Getting fucked up the ass is a passive act, so I imagine it can be done by an avowed straight guy. And it is concievable that a guy could cum -- even autocum -- by prostate/pudendal nerve stimulation alone.

I've said this before -- possibly in earlier in this thread: based on the fact that I know plenty of identified gay guys for whom getting fucked is just a pain in the ass, I don't think the ability to appreciate anal stimulation necessarily correlates with sexuality. I know plenty of straight guys who enjoy getting their asses fingered, have toys inserted, etc, while getting blown. It enhances their orgasm. I also know plenty of gay guys who wouldn't let me go anywhere near their hole, even with my tongue.

 

[TongueTied]

You would think we were all on here analyzing "Citizen Kane" for crying out loud!

Just my two cents about the "gay for Pay" thing. I honestly haven't watched a lot of "professional" gay porn, but some of those guys are pretty scary. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "gay for pay" guys have substance abuse issues, emotional issues, or even were molested or abused as children. Yes, they may be in fact "straight", but not your typical/average straight guy.

PhunkSpunk, I have to disagree with you. I'm not saying there aren't straight guys who have experimented when they are young, or are just so horny they'll take a blow job from whoever will give it, but no straight guy without issues is going to have sex with another guy, on the internet, for the whole world to see. It just doesn't happen. Plus, I don't think these sites pay anywhere near the amount of money you have mentioned. They might fly them in and put them up somewhere, but I would be seriously surprised if they made more than a few hundred bucks. Some of the popular guys who are regulars (Dawson, Lucas, etc) probably get paid extra.

I think a lot (most?) of the guys on solo sites, like Fratmen, are straight. There are straight guys who are major exhibitionists and really get off on the idea of showing off their bodies and jacking off for an audience. Being sexual in front of an audience is a turn on for them, and they are open minded enough that it doesn't matter that the audience is almost exclusively gay/bi guys.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

Just my two cents about the "gay for Pay" thing. I honestly haven't watched a lot of "professional" gay porn, but some of those guys are pretty scary. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "gay for pay" guys have substance abuse issues, emotional issues, or even were molested or abused as children. Yes, they may be in fact "straight", but not your typical/average straight guy.

Yes, a lot of these 'gay for pay' guys in your typical Falcon feature are pretty scary. You are certainly right about the substance stuff, including (but certainly not limited too) anabolic steroids -- just look at their builds! Super high testosterone/androgen levels would account for a their ability to perform with anyone, at anytime!

The legendary Johnny Wadd did gay porn, and also had a serious coke problem.

I know what you mean about the reservations an identified straight guy might have about taking it up the butt on line, for all the world to see. It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out. I mean, I'd love it if Dawson, Logan, et al were actually gay. But I still think they are young, and don't fully appreciate the degree of their 'exposure'.

 

[UWSMike]

Getting fucked up the ass is a passive act, so I imagine it can be done by an avowed straight guy. And it is concievable that a guy could cum -- even autocum -- by prostate/pudendal nerve stimulation alone.

I've said this before -- possibly in earlier in this thread: based on the fact that I know plenty of identified gay guys for whom getting fucked is just a pain in the ass, I don't think the ability to appreciate anal stimulation necessarily correlates with sexuality. I know plenty of straight guys who enjoy getting their asses fingered, have toys inserted, etc, while getting blown. It enhances their orgasm. I also know plenty of gay guys who wouldn't let me go anywhere near their hole, even with my tongue.

Come on Phunk, you're a lot smarter than that.
It's not the physics of getting fucked up the ass that would turn off straight guys. It's the psychology. That's about as gay as you can get. Getting blown by a gay guy- that's somehow okay. But even in prison, if you are the bottom, you're the fag. Making out with a guy is up there too in terms of taboo. I mean how many "straight" or "bi" guys have you been with who just wanted oral and who had "strict" no-kissing rules?

Tongue-Tied is right- the guys on the jerk-off sites are straight. Exhibitionists, but straight. A la Gabe from CF. But any of the CF or SC "regulars"- the guys who've bottomed for half a dozen other guys? You're delusional if you think they're just in it for the money.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

But even in prison, if you are the bottom, you're the fag.

Not so: a 'bitch' in prison is a entirely product of the pecking order. Smaller, weaker guys end up catching. Moreover, a lot of these guys go real femme inside, as a way of re-establishing a degree of power -- sometimes to the point where a 'bitch' ends up running the cell block. However, once they get on the outside, they're totally straight, masc: you'd never know that they'd gone TV inside.

While I have never had the privilege of attending a Corbin Fisher shoot, I know people who have, and they have assured me that the the guys who are advertised as straight really are primarily straight. I guess the money's good enough that they don't give a damn who sees them.

College kids today don't have anywhere near the same hang ups as we did about 'gay' or 'straight': they just do what feels good at the time. This makes me very hopeful.

 

[JVal]

Dawson will fuck TJ in the next update.

 

[jaxon29]

I've been a long time fan of CF. Phunk, you said you've known people who attended a CF shoot - how did they manage to do that? Is his house and studio in Florida or California?

 

[PhunkSpunk]

I've been a long time fan of CF. Phunk, you said you've known people who attended a CF shoot - how did they manage to do that? Is his house and studio in Florida or California?

I believe the house/studio is in Tampa.

I've chatted with people who attended shoots on here and on Myspace. Also, several of the models have MySpace pages.

 

[Gemini_Valley]

PhunkSpunk, could post the links or least tell which ones have Myspace accounts?

 

[shotglass]

Dawson will fuck TJ in the next update.

OK You were right. How did you know?

 

[PhunkSpunk]

PhunkSpunk, could post the links or least tell which ones have Myspace accounts?

mason, jesse, patrick(cadenford), damon

 

[pavfen]

CF has told me in emails a couple of times he favors Logan for breaking in reticent newcomers who are nervous and uneasy about doing guys. Logan has an easygoing unassuming, approachable manner that calms and reassures them, and he actively helps them and coaches and coaxes them through their first time. His sweet funloving disposition helps them to get into love making and gets them less self concious and worried about performance.

I'm sure TJ will get his crack at the rest of the stable once he's over this initial hurdle. Of course, the pressure will also be on to get him to bottom, and again, somone with Logan's interpersonal skills and gentleness are going to be needed for that roll in the hay. Look at how well it worked for Dawson's first times to do Logan, and then eventually get done by Logan. Of course, Logan is the Master rimmer of CF. They all love to have him rim them. They all learn something from him, and he's very well thought of by the guys in the stable as well as CF and his staff. Do I sound like I have a soft spot in my heart for Logan? Trust me, I be glad to have him in my bed! He is fun, fun, fun. We might not have a lot of sex, but we laugh like hell.

 

[UWSMike]

Except Pavfen, it was Dawson who broke TJ in, not Logan.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

Yeah, Parven, CF has told me stuff to the same effect. Also that Logan is pretty unstoppable: he just likes sex (so I suppose he's technically bi).

I love watching Logan make love -- and make love he does. It's not just a squirt and scram encounter. He's such an enthusiastic kisser. And I love the way he handles a guy's package even before taking his pants off. And while he definitely gets an A+ for rimming, I think the piece of foreplay that I most associate with him is frotting. In particular, I love the way he holds his lover's erection next to his, while he arches up his back and kisses him. He's also big on 'swordfights', which give the encounters a charmingly boyish character.

And Logan appreciates that sex is actually funny. He brings playfulness and humor into the bed (or pool, or bathroom) with him.

Incidently, Dawson's first topping experience (on CF, at least) was with Nate, a hot bi guy we saw all too little of. I've always thought that Dawson's performance in this one was just a bit too slick for him to have been as inexperienced as advertised.

Dawson seems like a real sexual opportunist: one of those dirty boys who was always very good at talking your pants or skirt off.

 

[shotglass]

Dawson will fuck TJ in the next update.

Be careful for what you wish for, it might just come true. I don't know how others feel, but I was disappointed with Dawson Fucks TJ. I love Dawson, don't get me wrong, but he seems to need a refresher course in how to please your partner.
He seemed totally lost in servicing TJ. In fact TJ apppeared to me to know a hell of alot more than what we've all be led to believe. For the way Dawson pounded TJ, you would of thought TJ would of been screaming his lungs out. Especially if TJ never had a his cherry popped. The acting was certainly overdone. Like others said above, Logan is the best when it comes to breaking in the new guys for all the reasons previously stated. He's funny, gentle, caring and a real lover.
I was glad to see who was in this weeks video, but terribly disappointed with the finish product.

 

[hack24]

... TJ apppeared to me to know a hell of alot more than what we've all be led to believe. For the way Dawson pounded TJ, you would of thought TJ would of been screaming his lungs out. Especially if TJ never had a his cherry popped.

I thought the same thing when I watched the vid. For Dawson to jackhammer TJ's ass the way he did, you'd think that TJ would be crying out or at least moaning if he really had a virgin ass. It also seemed as if Dawson was just going through the motions in this one, instead of really getting into TJ (hehe.. pun intended ).

 

[PhunkSpunk]

I thought the same thing when I watched the vid. For Dawson to jackhammer TJ's ass the way he did, you'd think that TJ would be crying out or at least moaning if he really had a virgin ass. It also seemed as if Dawson was just going through the motions in this one, instead of really getting into TJ (hehe.. pun intended ).

Dawson seems to have been going through the motions in his last couple of outings. He hasn't had the electricity of his earlier encounters with Nate, Logan, and Patrick.

The one CF bottom who genuinely didn't seem to enjoy it was Lucas.

I'd love to see Dawson and Logan team up again, in a flip, or maybe a 3-some.

TJ is definitely one of those models who, like Brent and even Mason, had my gaydar going off from the get-go. I suspect he won't be making any appearances on the ACS site

 

[hack24]

... The one CF bottom who genuinely didn't seem to enjoy it was Lucas.

The vid where Dawson fucked Lucas should have been one of CF's hottest ones. The earlier vid where Lucas fucked Dawson was really HOT, but it almost seemed as if Lucas really didn't even like having to be around Dawson when the tables got turned. It was like Lucas only when through with it because he had to.

 

[pavfen]

Well boys, that goes to show you that even the Gay4Pay guys have bad days on the set.