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Creationism banned from "free schools" in Britain

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star-warrior said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO4duhMRZk
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Indeed, especially with what's going on in parts of Europe. I have to wonder if mainstream people have the guts to stand up to that kind of aggression and violence though - the problem is that there are many fundamentalist, in-your-business Muslims who will resort to anything from threats of violence to riots to bombs to achieve their ends, but few of the secular, rational community to stop them. That said, there has been quite a bit of effort esp. over the last 3 or 4 years to lock up many countries from being taken over by Islam as the UK has been, particularly in Switzerland and Denmark. It certainly is a dangerous time for freedom in the West, with the recently grown fundamentalist culture on one side and the continually growing right wing counterculture on the other.
 
They're not quite taking over Britain yet. 2.4 million out of 60 odd million is still quite small in population terms. However, for such a small section of the population, they shout rather a lot of unreasonable demands, which the government will imediately aquiesce to for fear of being branded racist. I intensely dislike that, as I've often been hit with the same bullshit accusation, and to quote Jim Jeffries, I'm not a racist, I'm a biggot, there's a difference. Islam is not a race.

I do however feel that it's unfair to single out muslims when christians are equaly ridiculous.
 
kallipolis said:
Traditional Christianity does not support Creationist theories. Most of the Christian churches are comfortable with Evolutionary Theory. That a very few American Evangelical denominations support Creationist theory is not indicative of the wider Christian Church.

I repeat - Creationist beliefs are not supported by the mainstream Christian churches.
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That's not really the whole story.

In fact it is modern chrisitanity which does not support creationist fantasies.

Christianity, defending its traditions above all else, was from the time of the early elaboration of evolutionary theory decidedly unwelcoming of the idea.

Though not banning Darwin outright, they did ban books by other evolutionary theorists. As for evolution itself, only begrudgingly accepting it (with provisos that the facts be required to arrange themselves so as not to disrupt established dogma) once it became embarrassingly obvious that they would have to.
 
I wish that Creationism could be banned from U. S. schools, perhaps with the exception of ONE class session (lasting no more than one hour) which would discuss the fact that "some people believe this theory as part of their faith, but it hasn't been proven scientifically."

No, instead, there are people hoping to ban the teaching of EVOLUTION from our schools. :mad:
 
Elwood said:
Because it is not just the" Christian's" tax dollars that are paying for the public schools. Religion has no place in politics or in Governmental services and practices. If you want a religious education you may go private, how about that?
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What do you mean Christians don't pay taxes and don't attend public schools? Where are you obtaining this information? Far as I know, the government doesn't exempt personal income taxes of Christians. Since Christians make up a majority of the population in both the UK and the US, then, you're just flat out wrong. It's atheists who are the minority. So if you want an atheist education then go start your own schools and your own country.
 
EwanSF said:
Practicing christians are a minority in this country. And assuming they were the majority, they'd still be fucking wrong.
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Prove it! Both the UK and the US were built by Christians.
 
rjmrjm21 said:
What do you mean Christians don't pay taxes and don't attend public schools? Where are you obtaining this information? Far as I know, the government doesn't exempt personal income taxes of Christians. Since Christians make up a majority of the population in both the UK and the US, then, you're just flat out wrong. It's atheists who are the minority. So if you want an atheist education then go start your own schools and your own country.
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That is not what I said. I said it is not only the "Christian's" tax dollar paying for public schools. And secondly I am fortunate to live in Canada where we saw a while ago that religion has no place in politics and public services, so I won't have to start my own school or country.

..|:wave:
 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law

Poe's Law is an axiom suggesting that it's difficult to distinguish between parodies of religious fundamentalism (or, more generally, parodies of any crackpot or extremist belief) and genuine proponents of religious fundamentalism, since they both seem equally insane. Conversely, real fundamentalism can easily be mistaken for a parody of fundamentalism.
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Sigh.

Regardless of these nonsensical statements about the US and UK being built by Christians, even if they had been built by Christians they were not built for Christians to the exclusion of all else. A country is not a church.

Go and read something. Actually reading anything at random might help.

But if you want to get specific, read The Age of American Unreason by Susan Jacoby, and then go and read British history about the roman pantheon being worshipped in Britannia. Most countries have deeper roots than these modern-day churches.
 
rjmrjm21 said:
Prove it! Both the UK and the US were built by Christians.
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Built on the backs of slaves that their so called "Christian" masters bought from British slave traders who dragged black africans from their homes into lives of subjugation and slavery, and justified by use of the Bible for they were the descendants of Ham, who had seen his father's nakedness, so God decided to punish Ham's offspring rather than Ham. It's always the innocents who suffer. If you did something wrong, would it be right for the law to punish your child by forcing them into incarceration?
 
johaninsc said:
What you wrote was not a waste of time...I thought it was excellent ..|:=D:

Oh, you should meet my two Christian Fundamentalist bosses, both are Bob Jones University graduates :eek: :lol:

I have to deal with their bullshit everyday #-o
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Thanks, I guess I meant more that it still isn't getting through his thick skull - the ignorance is just stunning, to say the least. And sorry about your bosses, that has to be rough. !oops!

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"A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]" -Wikipedia

Nice try, though - you did the same with Elwood, although he promptly dismissed your shenanigans. :lol:
 
I have been a regular reader of JustUsBoys for quite some time now, but have not found the need to reply to a thread before, until now.

I wanted to thank those of you who have countered the ignorance found in this topic with reasoning, especially those who have gone as far as to highlight tangible evidence to back up your arguments.

As someone from England with knowledge of its history and personal experience with current religious institutions and practices within the UK, I have found the ignorance that has occurred from the user rjmrjm21 to be a tragedy.

Whilst this individual appears to be lost to reason he or she serves as a reminder, and how damaging little to no exposures to other cultures and lifestyles can warp someones beliefs and views, even within our own community.
 
Elwood said:
That is not what I said. I said it is not only the "Christian's" tax dollar paying for public schools. And secondly I am fortunate to live in Canada where we saw a while ago that religion has no place in politics and public services, so I won't have to start my own school or country.

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That's what is so backward about all of this, you expect the majority to hide their beliefs so that you don't take offense. That really is too bad especially for something as fake as atheism.
 
bankside said:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law
Sigh.Regardless of these nonsensical statements about the US and UK being built by Christians, even if they had been built by Christians they were not built for Christians to the exclusion of all else. A country is not a church.Go and read something. Actually reading anything at random might help. But if you want to get specific, read The Age of American Unreason by Susan Jacoby, and then go and read British history about the roman pantheon being worshipped in Britannia. Most countries have deeper roots than these modern-day churches.
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Hurl.

Yes the UK and USA were built by Christians. Read the founders' bios. It is fact. You are delusional. Furthermore, the citizenry of both, have been overwhelmingly Christian. So, I have to dismiss your argument as bogus. I'd also like to add that the decline of both countries has been correlated with secularism and/or atheism.
 
star-warrior said:
Built on the backs of slaves that their so called "Christian" masters bought from British slave traders who dragged black africans from their homes into lives of subjugation and slavery, and justified by use of the Bible for they were the descendants of Ham, who had seen his father's nakedness, so God decided to punish Ham's offspring rather than Ham. It's always the innocents who suffer. If you did something wrong, would it be right for the law to punish your child by forcing them into incarceration?
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I assume you are living in either the UK or USA. So the fact that you are living in either country and reaping the rewards of any and all fruits of their labor, means you are just as guilty--that includes any of their descendants, people in other religions, and other atheists.

Anyway, you need to research slavery throughout the human history. It has been practiced by every culture in the world, throughout time. So it's just one of those issues that people have dealt with everywhere. It's not unique to anybody who, maybe, claimed to be a Christian. The famous atheist, Joseph Stalin slaughtered millions in the name of Atheism. Same with China and just about every country on Earth.
 
You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe. They continually, wilfully and gleefully ignore the basic paradox of their childish beliefs: either their god is omnipotent but malevolent or he's benign but limited.

However, I still advocate the teaching of religion and the mechanisms of religious belief because it could lead to a better understanding of what goes on in the minds of people with psychiatric delusions.
 
There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of point to trying to have a conversation with someone who's presenting himself as the defender of the Christian faith, the UK, and the US ... most especially when his own statements in defence of his position make it pretty obvious that he knows very little, if anything, about any of those three.

It's almost like getting into a kick-boxing match when your opponent is a toddler, or using a hydrogen bomb to kill a mosquito.
 
LittleDove said:
There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of point to trying to have a conversation with someone who's presenting himself as the defender of the Christian faith, the UK, and the US ... most especially when his own statements in defence of his position make it pretty obvious that he knows very little, if anything, about any of those three.

It's almost like getting into a kick-boxing match when your opponent is a toddler, or using a hydrogen bomb to kill a mosquito.
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How about a bazooka??
 
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