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Creationism banned from "free schools" in Britain

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I haven't treated you anyway. Your opinions? Yes, I've been harsh. Do you not have potential for change? Are you set in stone?


So rjmrjm can be a prick but everyone here has to be okay with that... got it.
Mine, yours, his and theirs...

Personally I believe that we are fast approaching a crossroad between knowledge (read science) and belief ( read religion). Regardless of how we arrive to the crossroad the only way forward will be through knowledge.

Do you really believe Jesus rode a dinosaur?

Your posts are getting increasing less and less coherent.

The first part makes no sense at all, so moving on...

I never said rjmrjm can be a prick. He shouldn't be one either. I just can't comment on everything he has said. Others on here, I can comment on. You have made no attempt to explain your feelings, you just talk about some deep-seeded issue you have with all things related to religion to the point that you are incapable of carrying a conversation with anyone. I said it was wrong for anyone to say anything about burning in hell. I just thought it was odd for a non-believer to take offense to that.

People will always disagree with either science or religion. If science proved creationism to be wrong, there would be some people who still believe in God. And if God reached down on Earth and proved himself, some would say it isn't real. There is no amount of knowledge that will change that.

And the last sentence also shows a lack of understanding of how to deal with other humans in any sort of forum. This is gettin kind of pointless, so I guess I'm done. I just called it like I saw it, and whenever anyone points out the emperor has no clothes on, there is bound to be upheaval. Oh well.
 
Your posts are getting increasing less and less coherent.

The first part makes no sense at all, so moving on...

I never said rjmrjm can be a prick. He shouldn't be one either. I just can't comment on everything he has said. Others on here, I can comment on. You have made no attempt to explain your feelings, you just talk about some deep-seeded issue you have with all things related to religion to the point that you are incapable of carrying a conversation with anyone. I said it was wrong for anyone to say anything about burning in hell. I just thought it was odd for a non-believer to take offense to that.

People will always disagree with either science or religion. If science proved creationism to be wrong, there would be some people who still believe in God. And if God reached down on Earth and proved himself, some would say it isn't real. There is no amount of knowledge that will change that.
At that point we would have knowledge and it would no longer be a matter of belief. The people who say it wasn't real would receive the same amount of criticism as the religious do now.
And the last sentence also shows a lack of understanding of how to deal with other humans in any sort of forum. This is gettin kind of pointless, so I guess I'm done. I just called it like I saw it, and whenever anyone points out the emperor has no clothes on, there is bound to be upheaval. Oh well.

:lol: Especially when the kingdom is comprised of nudists....
 
I just went back through the whole thread

...a lot was taken out

anybody remember that"DEMONIAC WHORES" post?

...it's gone too!

Originaly it was just my posts that'd been removed. Then...I dunno. I made it clear on another thread that unless there was a bit of equality then I'd be complaining to the other mods. Dunno if that was what caused it, but I'm gonna find out if the swivle-eyed fundie moron was sanctioned too.
 
Jack, your middle of the road, fence-sitting stance on these idiots helps none of us. These people are traitors. Regardless of their religious beliefs, I despise gay conservatives for what their respective political movements do to the gay community. Can you imagine then, just how angry gay christians, muslims and jews make me? They have stockholm syndrome at best and are out and out colaborators at worst. If that tool is not a troll, then he is a collaborator.
 
So much for freedom of speech.

Micro:

Although this venue is open to the public, it is privately owned. Freedom of speak really doesn't apply. Those who own and/or run the site are well within their rights to restrict or limit speech in whatever way they choose, regardless of whether or not we out here in the cheaper seats agree with their decisions, find those decisions reasonable, or like those decisions.

Walmart is a private venue. They have every right to restrict the kinds of speech they will allow on-site. They have the right, for example, to escort you off the premises if they discover you in the vestibule handing out pamphlets decrying the use of slave labour in China, or flyers touting the prices at another store just down the road a piece.

A theatre is a private venue. They have every right to bounce you out the doors if you perch yourself on the edge of the stage during the opening act with your guitar, harmonica, and tip-jar.

My home is a private venue. I can restrict speech here in whatever fashion I wish, or to confine speech within whatever parameters I choose. If my three year old nephew has been spending too much time with his father, and becomes inspired to tell me to fuck off some afternoon when I tell him 'no' about something, I have the right to not give him a cookie. If an elderly harridan who looks like she was weaned on a pickle and whose face is so wrinkled it looks like it could hold a five day's rain appears at my door, trying to thrust her Jehovah's Witness brochures at me, I have a right to open my door brandishing a crucifix in one hand and a spay bottle of Holy Water in the other, and exclaim, 'Begone, vile harpy! Lest I baptise you with this Holy Water from the River Jordan, and touch this crucifix to your forehead to drive out your demons!' Or should the callers at my door prove to be two young Mormon gentlemen, well-built and good-looking, I am within my rights to tarry awhile with them on the front porch, enjoying the view, until I politely decline their offering, and to watch them as they move on down the street, very regretfully looking at their firm and well-rounded masculine buttocks and thinking ... well, I digress, and it's probably best to not go there, or we could be her until the cows come home or kingdom come, whichever comes first (no pun intended).

Macro:

Many -- and I'd have to say that should probably be most -- people don't really believe in Free Speech. And I'm sorry to say that, from what you've written, you appear to be in that number. Many people believe they should have Free Speech, but aren't really concerned at all to have that right extended to someone who may disagree with their position, or who may hold a differing opinion. Many people want their own personal right upheld or enforced, while concurrently wanting the powers that be to abrogate the right of any other party to express a different opinion, or to offer any criticism whatsoever of their proposition, because they view their own personal right as absolute, and don't believe that right extends or is held by any other person. Many people expect their position to be heard, while at the same time expecting their neighbour's position to not be heard, or indeed even demanding that it not be heard.

Free Speech doesn't include anything about a right to not be disagreed with. There is nothing in it which precludes another person from having and expressing a different opinion. There is no constitutionally enshrined right to be wrong, nor is there anything in the right to say something goofy so sacrosanct as to act to limit anyone else's right to point out that one has, indeed, said something goofy.
 
Banned? Sounds like they're turning communist too. Notice how the decline of Western Civilization corresponds to the movement away from tradition? Sad to watch it lose its shine. Anyway, evolution just doesn't explain who CREATED the big bang and all of the scientific laws. Somebody created the 1st atom. Britain is in denial. Oh well, guess they've been in denial about many things.

Why should evolution, a biological science, be expected to explain the origin of the universe? The Big Bang theory comes from astronomy not biology.
 
Why should evolution, a biological science, be expected to explain the origin of the universe? The Big Bang theory comes from astronomy not biology.

Since religion provides the best explanation for life's origin, then, you should not interfere with religion. You don't have to explain it because you have no explanation. So just stay in the lab where you belong.
 
The phrase "go to hell" is actually more like saying fuck you than it is a threat. I don't agree with using it, but I also don't see why it would even matter to someone who doesn't believe there even is a hell anyway.

I don't get on here for religious talk. This would be the last place I would want to do so. That's why I have specifically still not said how I feel about religion or associated myself with any group. I was just trying to defend someone. I don't expect you to relate.

Much appreciated JuicyJack. You are correct. Forget trying to use logic on these lunatics. To do so would wreck everything they believe. The mods won't let me take the gloves off. So that is why I can't say what I really think and my arguments are have been watered down.
 
Jack, your middle of the road, fence-sitting stance on these idiots helps none of us. These people are traitors. Regardless of their religious beliefs, I despise gay conservatives for what their respective political movements do to the gay community. Can you imagine then, just how angry gay christians, muslims and jews make me? They have stockholm syndrome at best and are out and out colaborators at worst. If that tool is not a troll, then he is a collaborator.

Forked tongue Devil, shut the HELL up! You're angry because you have been forever owned and you will be until eternity. Get used to it! I don't want you to like "us" and I, am not here to get along with you. I don't want Satan (you) to ever be on my side. I am on this thread to speak truth and as we all know, my truth is greater than your truth. Better get used to taking a back seat and slithering on your stomach Lucifer because that is your destiny. All you can do is spew hate and throw a fit but, know, you will never be able to defeat the truth! [-X
 
What? No, you need to re read the thread. I have not lashed out at anybody who hasn't lashed out at me first.

I'm not shoving anything down your throat. You're not obligated to read my posts. So don't read.

That's NOT how things work here on JUB. [-X

You clicked a little box acknowledging that you agree to and accept the Code of Conduct, and Terms of Service when you created your FREE account here. ..|

Let us now turn to item number 10 of our pocket Code of Conduct book:

Please do not defend yourself against profane attacks with more profanity. Instead, report the post to a moderator and allow them to take the appropriate action.
Which you have done repeatedly, while continuing a profane defense. :grrr:

Do you want to know what the "back and forth" in this thread really reminds this Moderator of?

This scene from the movie Saved:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umLUKBlpyoY[/ame]

What's really sad?

What this Moderator finds to be pathetic?

Certain American "Christians" representing themselves, and their selves alone, have completely glossed over the reasons WHY the Democratically elected British Government made this decision.
  1. It's not based in Science.
  2. It encourages a blind allegiance which is easily manipulated.
If certain individuals who've posted in this thread would have paid more attention in their public school lessons, beyond whether or not "Creationism" took precedence over "Evolution," and paid attention to European History (especially as it pertains to the early and mid 20th Century), they'd probably understand WHY there's probably a larger percentage of Atheists in that part of the World, than say....here in America.

But that individual appears to be so "Filled in Christ's Love" that they don't have room for any other perspectives or opinions. :cry:

Jeezus!

And here I was thinking that the Mormons were a hard sale getting me to buy into the idea that Joseph Smith was contacted by angels on a farm in Up State New York in the early 19th Century, in order to lead us back to a more pure faith. :lol:

I'm certainly glad that there were NO apparent attempts to proselytize in this discussion here. :p

And since the points have already been made this thread is now locked. ..|
 

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