Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture

[bankside]

I don't agree with her. But while it isn't a privilege it is an advantage for sure.

No, I don't think it is. I think gay kids would grow up far healthier if they did come out of the birth canal with a big ole pink tattoo on their foreheads. Learning to hide who you are is not an advantage. It is soul-destroying.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

No, I don't think it is. I think gay kids would grow up far healthier if they did come out of the birth canal with a big ole pink tattoo on their foreheads. Learning to hide who you are is not an advantage. It is soul-destroying.

It's not about hiding who you are. You don't have to hide who you are to reap the benefits of people assuming you are straight.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I'm not a closet case but everyone who sees me sees a straight black male.
If I was a black woman, I could never go "hidden" whether intended or not.

Yes, but this is a fault of society believing that every person they meet is straight.

The problem that those in the majority have is that they don't see their privilege bc it is never an issue for them. It is not recognized unless you are the one at a disadvantage.

She's not saying gays don't have it bad. However, it's funny that gay men who call out her supposed homophobia and speak to her ignorance are so quick to dismiss the views of others.

I am aware of unbalanced race/class, etc privilege. And I understand in the beginning of the post where people tend to adopt a assumed black behavior because they either think it is funny, cool or want to relate to people because of their own ignorance. I am not dismissing her views completely, just how they are represented and as if being hidden is some kind of advantage or thing that is used to make it easier on ourselves by any average homosexual who is out of the closet.

Anyone who has come out knows how awful being in the closet is, so suggesting it as some kind of benefit or safe guard for gays bothers me.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Yes, but this is a fault of society believing that every person they meet is straight.



I am aware of unbalanced race/class, etc privilege. And I understand in the beginning of the post where people tend to adopt a assumed black behavior because they either think it is funny, cool or want to relate to people because of their own ignorance. I am not dismissing her views completely, just how they are represented and as if being hidden is some kind of advantage or thing that is used to make it easier on ourselves by any average homosexual who is out of the closet.

Anyone who has come out knows how awful being in the closet is, so suggesting it as some kind of benefit or safe guard for gays bothers me.

I agree mostly. But it's still an advantage whether you're in the closet or not. That is undeniable.

If society sees you as male, that is a privilege.
If society sees you as straight, that is a privilege.
And it doesn't matter what we identify as if society sees us as straight males.
Now not all gays have this advantage although all gay men do have the advantage of being male.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Just curious, have any of that fair share of people been black?

Oh God yes, they jazz it up because they think it makes them seem more authentic. My younger sister is a prime example, growing up she was very articulate but when we moved to the south she absorbed a lot of the urban stylings around her and went from sounding like Michelle Obama to Nene Leakes. To make it even more perplexing, she dated a guy from NY so in one conversation with her she goes from sounding like an articulate midwesterner to a ghetto southerner to an upstate New Yorker, sometimes all three in the same sentence. Sometimes I literally just sit there and listen to her and marvel at the strangeness.

 

[MilkShake83]

Let them indoctrinate it. As long as they don't forget who started it. Where do you think "twerking" came from? Anything remotely pertaining to booty shaking? African/African American culture! It doesn't bother me one bit. I like seeing these white boys try to shake, jiggle, move rythmatic, whatever with their thick, plump, jiggly bubble butts. Not all of them are capable of this but the ones that can back it up and work it, WOOF!

 

[Vitamin]

Aww, shucks. I didn't know black women had a monopoly on sass. Guess I'll just have to stick to ordering my butler to fetch me dinner.

Seriously, this woman acts like just because someone is white the world gives them everything. As hard as it might be for her to understand white people actually do have to work, sometimes even fight, for what they want. Sass may be beneficial in some circumstances, especially if you're an out gay man.

 

[Daximus]

This bitch can cram her article up her ass.

 

[nyctopgam]

Word. I read this through and found it articulate and powerful.

I often cringe at the black affectations and appropriations I see everywhere and so I think it's straight white people too. Ok they may not go the black woman route.

But I sometimes wonder if everything worthwhile and distinctive in American culture is black in origin with some stuff accruing in later. Take that most amazing pinnacle of American culture: jazz.

In which case, is appropriation inevitable? Can you admire without stealing? Lesser folks ape, great artists steal.

And yet, and yet, and yet... As a general society whose sins we all bear, we are so mean. We do everything to hate, keep down, insult, mistreat, and harm black people.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Word. I read this through and found it articulate and powerful.

I often cringe at the black affectations and appropriations I see everywhere and so I think it's straight white people too. Ok they may not go the black woman route.

But I sometimes wonder if everything worthwhile and distinctive in American culture is black in origin with some stuff accruing in later. Take that most amazing pinnacle of American culture: jazz.

In which case, is appropriation inevitable? Can you admire without stealing? Lesser folks ape, great artists steal.

And yet, and yet, and yet... As a general society whose sins we all bear, we are so mean. We do everything to hate, keep down, insult, mistreat, and harm black people.

 

[luckynumbah7]

The condescending bullshit that hiding who we are is some kind of special privilege. Fuck that. Nobody is being sent to Krazy Khristian Kamp by their own parents to Pray the Black Away. She can go fuck herself.

Eh, I'd say being able to hide is a privilege. That said, some people can't hide, for whatever reason. Here in Transland we call that passing privilege, and lots of other groups have similar things.

The article does seem to be written by a college student though. It's not a bad article, per se, but it's rather shortsighted in that the author doesn't seem to have a very good grasp of intersections yet.

 

[-Kane-]

You realize posting this thread is tantamount to activating the Bat signal to Kane, no?

Hardly. This is a copy and paste thread. Clearly not worth the presence of Kane.

Kane's thirsty ass follows me everywhere no matter what

Follow what, who.........YOU ??? To where?

A white gay bar? An honor such as that could never be bestowed upon the likes of you. You go there alone, and you shall leave alone.

 

[JPGhost]

I think social stigma and flaw doesn't need to be fuel more by fire to make it short of a spectacle, but it rather be solved and treated with acceptance.

 

[suckpoppet]

But what if 2 babies were switched in the hospital and the white boy was raised as a black girl?

 

[bankside]

It's not about hiding who you are. You don't have to hide who you are to reap the benefits of people assuming you are straight.

What you are calling a benefit I don't think is a benefit.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

What you are calling a benefit I don't think is a benefit.

Really you don't think men are advantaged in life at all? Sure straight dudes get a bigger leg up, but we are all still reaping the rewards of the patriarchy. I think the point is here, a black women can never be seen as anything but a black women - a gay man can be misread by others to be heterosexual, and until they state otherwise will gain in the same benefits that heterosexual men get. You might not see it as a benefit, but you are gaining all the same.

Still, Foucault wrote about this and pointed about that us gay men are also in a great position to start smashing the patriarchy as we have insider knowledge of the benefits and powers that masculinity gives us - yet we can subvert it.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ Foucault wrote that forty years ago. Is it happening? When is The Matriarchy happening?

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

gon weed it

thankyou

 

[bankside]

Really you don't think men are advantaged in life at all? Sure straight dudes get a bigger leg up, but we are all still reaping the rewards of the patriarchy. I think the point is here, a black women can never be seen as anything but a black women - a gay man can be misread by others to be heterosexual, and until they state otherwise will gain in the same benefits that heterosexual men get. You might not see it as a benefit, but you are gaining all the same.

Still, Foucault wrote about this and pointed about that us gay men are also in a great position to start smashing the patriarchy as we have insider knowledge of the benefits and powers that masculinity gives us - yet we can subvert it.

That wasn't the question I was answering, but I really don't think there is a net gender advantage for men. We die younger. Get back to me when men outlive women by several years. I gain nothing by being mistaken for being heterosexual.

 

[suckpoppet]

I gain nothing by being mistaken for being heterosexual.

Maybe this has already happened and you weren't even aware of it.

But the gay men Ms Mannie is referring to, do they act like black women because they hang out with them, or because of the pop culture / black celebrities glorifying the black urban life?