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Democrat one party system in action.

Benvolio

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The current democrat dictator of Chicago wants to raise property taxes buy 500 million to pay the unconscionable pensions promised by democrat politicians in the past. Democrats control the election boards, so the city has not had a Republican mayor since the 30s. Read it and weep, it is the future of our county, as immigrants guarantee a democrat one party system.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ts-face-perfect-storm-tax-hikes/?intcmp=hpbt2
 
So Emmamuel only wants to tax the wealthy, and the people who can afford it to pay off the city's debt? The horror...
 
Yeah, just look at the mess the Democrats have produced in the one-party state of Kansas. Oh, wait...
 
So, the objection is that Emmanuel wants Chicago to pay its bills, balance its budget, and honor its commitment to public servants.

And this is objectionable to the OP.

Because a Republican mayor would surely screw the public workers out of their pensions and give their money to a handful of billionaires. Which would be so much better than honoring the city's commitments.

Reaganomics was a spectacular failure. Taking money from the middle class and giving it to rich people does not work. This theory of economics has twice destroyed the American economy and banking system within the past hundred years. Trying it a third time will result in the same outcome. On the other hand, strong unions and living wages following the Great Depression brought us decades of the greatest economic expansion in world history.

The OP desires that we bash our heads against the wall yet again. Because, surely, the repeated failure of Republican economic policy is just a coincidence. And the spectacular success of the opposite approach for half a century was just a fluke. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
 
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So, the objection is that Emmanuel wants Chicago to pay its bills, balance its budget, and honor its commitment to public servants.

And this is objectionable to the OP.

Because a Republican mayor would surely screw the public workers out of their pensions and give their money to a handful of billionaires. Which would be so much better than honoring the city's commitments.

Reaganomics was a spectacular failure. Taking money from the middle class and giving it to rich people does not work. This theory of economics has twice destroyed the American economy and banking system within the past hundred years. Trying it a third time will result in the same outcome. On the other hand, strong unions and living wages following the Great Depression brought us decades of the greatest economic expansion in world history.

The OP desires that we bash our heads against the wall yet again. Because, surely, the repeated failure of Republican economic policy is just a coincidence. And the spectacular success of the opposite approach for half a century was just a fluke. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Nonsense. It has happened in other cites aroun the country. The public sector unions donate to and vote for democrats. Then they "negotiate", midge, nudge, wink, wink, with their creature city coucils who give them exhorbitant salaries, benefits, and pensions for the future. As a reward, the unions donate more to their creature council members, vote for them and negotiate higher, ever higher, gouges of the taxpayers. Now those wildly exorbitant pensions are coming due and taxpayers are seeing what their democrat dictators have gotten them into.
 
Cities that have shrunk while their suburbs have grown quite often have distressed pension schemes and infrastructure stress.
This is what happens when you lose a third of your population to satellite cities in less than a lifetime - the on-going obligations continue even after the taxpayers have left to the 'burbs.
Why did so many US cities depopulate to the suburbs?
 
Cities that have shrunk while their suburbs have grown quite often have distressed pension schemes and infrastructure stress.
This is what happens when you lose a third of your population to satellite cities in less than a lifetime - the on-going obligations continue even after the taxpayers have left to the 'burbs.
Why did so many US cities depopulate to the suburbs?


Because people tend to prefer one type of assumption about options and stability in specific settings than a differing assumption of stability, all based on a scene change.

There's also a point where cities get overdeveloped - people still need some sort of greenery. And some decide there's just too many people. Oh oh oh, it also tends to be cheaper outside the city unless you plan meticulously and search endlessly.
 
I couldn't agree more. :rolleyes:

Richard Olgilvie (Republican) 1969-1973
Jim Thompson (Republican) 1977-1991
Jim Edgar (Republican) 1991-1999
George Ryan (Republican) 1999-2003

Those damn Democrats! *%%*
 
When republicans obstruct job creation, destroy unions, send jobs overseas to satisfy their corporate masters, refuse to tax imports into this country and destroy pensions, they destroyed the middle class and created a welfare state.
Republicans want to sentence our entire country to the poverty, lack of education, and generational dependency of red states. The free market Somalia model. Amazing how the "Red States" with their plutocratic policies of "Kiss Up to the Rich, Kick Down HARD on the Poor" complain the most about anything that seeks to change that for most. They would rather whine about two women or two men getting married or that some woman terminates a pregnancy than actually allow policies that actually HELP ...it is the Teapublican way! Right to work" leads to the lowest common denominator and the results look like all the red states.
 
Didn't Ben already do this thread at least once before, with similar lashings of froth and hysteria?
 
He forgot his meds again . He also forgets people can easily Google away his delusions and hysteria.
 
When republicans obstruct job creation, destroy unions, send jobs overseas to satisfy their corporate masters, refuse to tax imports into this country and destroy pensions, they destroyed the middle class and created a welfare state.
Republicans want to sentence our entire country to the poverty, lack of education, and generational dependency of red states. The free market Somalia model. Amazing how the "Red States" with their plutocratic policies of "Kiss Up to the Rich, Kick Down HARD on the Poor" complain the most about anything that seeks to change that for most. They would rather whine about two women or two men getting married or that some woman terminates a pregnancy than actually allow policies that actually HELP ...it is the Teapublican way! Right to work" leads to the lowest common denominator and the results look like all the red states.

Democrats obstruct job creation by their voluminous and draconian regulations, taxes, and other burdens, a few of which I have listed. Creating jobs is all but illegal, and gets worse each year, with Obama over 70,000 pages of new regs and counting. Dems are only interested in jobs which gouge the taxpayers. When did Republicans send jobs overseas, and how? What pension did thry ever destroy? Immigration has held down the middle and lower classes and the dems want infinitely more. We can never have enough poor and unemployed people to satisfy the dems; they want millions more each year.
 
So, the objection is that Emmanuel wants Chicago to pay its bills, balance its budget, and honor its commitment to public servants.

And this is objectionable to the OP.

Because a Republican mayor would surely screw the public workers out of their pensions and give their money to a handful of billionaires. Which would be so much better than honoring the city's commitments.

Reaganomics was a spectacular failure. Taking money from the middle class and giving it to rich people does not work. This theory of economics has twice destroyed the American economy and banking system within the past hundred years. Trying it a third time will result in the same outcome. On the other hand, strong unions and living wages following the Great Depression brought us decades of the greatest economic expansion in world history.

The OP desires that we bash our heads against the wall yet again. Because, surely, the repeated failure of Republican economic policy is just a coincidence. And the spectacular success of the opposite approach for half a century was just a fluke. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Let me just reiterate this in case it hasn't sunk through yet.

Reagonomics doesn't work because corporations and the super-rich have no allegiance or even interest in any one city in any one country on any one continent.

The only time that society works is when the rich not only feel, but are literally invested in their community.

Otherwise....waste. of. time. hoping that they'll just send a trillion dollars in you community building their fabulous mega mansion and employing the entire city to keep it running.
 
Ben again displays that his command of facts is, to put it mildly, fantasy. After already being shown that Chicago also had Republican governors, he glossed over that fact and has now jumped back on his immigrant bandwagon.

Chicago, like many other cities, is facing the fact that benefits thought to be cheap for decades, actually carry a price; I know, I managed a city and we negotiated out health care for retirees in lieu of funding a deferred comp plan that employees could use to pay premiums after retirement.

What the unions did was to bargain; something Ben accuses is close to communism. His hero, Ronald Reagan, proclaimed the importance of unions: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...bargaining-are-forbidden-freedom-is-lost.html

The seeds for struggles by cities today has its roots in the 40's and 50's when the auto company OWNERS, trying to attract and retain the best and most reliable workers (as well as gaining support from their unions), began offering health insurance. Think back to that time period: penicillin was probably the only antibiotic and you went to a doctor's office for most tasks (or the doctor came to your house). Costs were dollars rather than your mortgage. Soon, they'd offer "life insurance" which my mom supplemented at $1 per month for each of us kids. Since it was cheap, the thought was that when workers replaced those retiring, the costs of health insurance would easily be recovered through the lower wages paid to new employees.

Fast forward and health care is $900 to $1,200 per month for two people; likely more for a family and about $600 for a single person. People are also living longer so rather than them retiring and dying (like my dad did), they are on the city insurance plans for 10, 15, 25 years or longer. For police and fire (who usually have 25 and out and who didn't contribute to Social Security when you could opt out in lieu of a city pension plan), most retire at 50 or 55 and live 30 years or more as do their spouses.

When cities did not fund these obligations, they are now faced with paying insurance on employees and also on the person they replaced. There is no savings. Most pension systems, by the way, are pretty healthy with a few exceptions and those are usually related to not contributing according to actuarial reports that often omitted overtime in the final average compensation. In other words, the cities paid on someone making $80,000 but with their overtime (usually police and fire), they might make twice that amount in their final years that then sets what they will be paid in retirement. Few plans contemplated that accounting charge. I would also note that fearless Scott Walker never touched any of these areas; instead he focused on those radical teachers and clerical employees who rarely get overtime, usually got small (if any) pensions, and live on social security following retirement at age 65. He, like so many Republicans, was a "profile in courage."

Of course Ben fails to recognize that many of these employees get a pension in lieu of social security (which saved cities from contributing the matching percentage). He hates unions, probably because he's stuck in some cube and doesn't get one. It's funny how those are the ones that now want to take away from people who worked hard all their lives and did everything that was negotiated -- and approved. If there was public outrage, I doubt those in Chicago or other cities would have retained their positions.

As for trickle down, it has been demonstrated over and over that the result is someone gets pissed on. You can look to your hero in Kansas who has bankrupted that state (oh, but he's a Republican with a Republican legislature). Or you might look at Walker's Wisconsin or Jindahl's Louisiana. They are all being nominated as basket cases for refusing to recognize that government and services comes with a cost.

From what I have seen and personally heard from candidates in both the Democrat and Republican parties: the Republicans want to go back to the failed policies of Reagan and Bush (they actually said they'd like to return to the days of Georgie) while the Democrats are positive and looking forward on how things might be better for Americans. Looking at Congress and the Party of No, they are aligned to again shut down government over unfounded rants and propaganda. Hopefully the public will get sick enough to turn them out at the next election.
 
Fox news lost credibility a long time ago.
How can people trust what ever it reports on.
 
Fox news lost credibility a long time ago.
How can people trust what ever it reports on.

Because the democrat media have no credibility to the Conservative half of the country. We have very little which does not lean one way or the other.
 
Because the democrat media have no credibility to the Conservative half of the country. We have very little which does not lean one way or the other.

To be honest, your politics appear to be radically further right than most Republican voters. I'm not sure you can say who most conservatives find trust worthy.

Surely not the Kock funded outlets you cite.
 
Because the democrat media have no credibility to the Conservative half of the country. We have very little which does not lean one way or the other.
Liberal media:

THE BIG LIE
 
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