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Dems cancel Nevada Pres Debate on Fox

it is not established that fox is biased because you said so

it is established that fox is biased because someone presented evidence that they are

you have not presented evidence that ALL THE OTHERS are biased in a liberal way

you havent even made an attempt at researching it

Evidence? where? and I would like to hear from you a scholarly discussion on how you are going to prove/or not prove media bias. What "objective " method are you going to use?
Bias is going to be defined differently by each viewer, listener, or reader. Each of them will put themselves at the center and measure everything to the left or right of their own views. So enlighten me as to how you are going to objectively some to some conclusions on this.

Your scale of left to right is going to be different than my scale of left to right. I am not sure this debate about media bias is something that will ever be resolved
 
This sure turned into a funny thread.

It's interesting that some here point to the liberal bent of NBC. Roger Ailes, who created Fox News Channel for Rupert Murdoch and still runs it, came directly from NBC, where he'd had his own show and had created NBC's cable channel America's Talking. When Ailes left NBC to start up Fox News, he took dozens of NBC employees along with him. While there are some liberal commentators on NBC and MSNBC, the network itself is not dedicated to presenting a liberal ideology, whereas Fox News is not only right wing but carries BushRepublican support, and animosity towards liberals, to an extreme that becomes dishonest and propagandistic. Links to many examples of this have been posted in this thread.
 
This sure turned into a funny thread.

It's interesting that some here point to the liberal bent of NBC. Roger Ailes, who created Fox News Channel for Rupert Murdoch and still runs it, came directly from NBC, where he'd had his own show and had created NBC's cable channel America's Talking. When Ailes left NBC to start up Fox News, he took dozens of NBC employees along with him. While there are some liberal commentators on NBC and MSNBC, the network itself is not dedicated to presenting a liberal ideology, whereas Fox News is not only right wing but carries BushRepublican support, and animosity towards liberals, to an extreme that becomes dishonest and propagandistic. Links to many examples of this have been posted in this thread.

what's really interesting is that clearly Ailes is first and foremost A BUSINESS MAN. He saw the giant vacuum - NO CONSERVATIVE LEANING TV CHANNEL - and bam - success. It's because no one else does it. That's why it is so popular. All the others vie for the liberal viewer, one trying harder than the next.

Sorry Nick - but you're making the case against yourself
 
nicks post is on the money

chances post seems deluded at best

just keeping it real
 
what's really interesting is that clearly Ailes is first and foremost A BUSINESS MAN. He saw the giant vacuum - NO CONSERVATIVE LEANING TV CHANNEL - and bam - success. It's because no one else does it. That's why it is so popular. All the others vie for the liberal viewer, one trying harder than the next.

Sorry Nick - but you're making the case against yourself

And you've made the case, if you don't mind my saying, that Ailes Business acumen apparently is in support of "Dumbing Down America."

FOX News is about making $$$. "If it bleeds it leads!"

There's nothing new about FOX News. At it's best it's tabloid journalism, at it's worst it's a mouth-piece for the Conservative Agenda. You just admitted it in your post.

FRONTLINE: News Wars | PBS did a great peice on the "Future of News" and it's definately worth a look.

I realize from reading many of your posts that you're obviously not as skeptical about the "right" as many of us here, but I found this little Documentary to be eye opening as well:

OUTFOXED: Rupert Murdocks War on Journalism.

Of course there are many, who will probably dismiss both of the two links that I provided as "liberal propoganda," but to those I say this:

"Me thinks that you've been in the shit-house for so long, that you've forgotten that it stinks in there."

;)
 
What is the case against himself that he's making? You are suggesting that the status quo was liberal leaning, as if there is a false dichotomy.

Ailes is first and foremost motivated by $ - the ideology is convenient but not necessary - the $ are

Nick's point is that Ailes is ideologically driven

Fox News is a tremendous money maker - why?

because real people are sick and tired of the media being slanted ONE way

Fox just attempts to even it out, even if they are just 1 vs. oh so many
 
fox is NOT as popular as chance is saying

that is just not real
 
Ailes is first and foremost motivated by $ - the ideology is convenient but not necessary - the $ are

Nick's point is that Ailes is ideologically driven

Fox News is a tremendous money maker - why?

because real people are sick and tired of the media being slanted ONE way

Fox just attempts to even it out, even if they are just 1 vs. oh so many

Fox does apparently "attempt to even it out," even if they have to stretch the data a little:

Fox vs. everyone else

Fox News Channel , then, is so far neither the choice of most people who watch cable news, nor the more successful business model. But the perception that Fox is "trouncing" CNN --based largely on the fact that the number Nielsen releases to the public emphasizes heavy viewers--is of great use to Fox , which trumpets these ratings as a vindication of its partisan, "fair & balanced" approach to the news. Reacting to a guest's charge that Fox had a right-wing bias, Brian Kilmeade, co-host of the successful Fox & Friends morning show (2/25/03), boasted: "Then what does that say about the country when they made us No. 1?"

But even in the limited sense of average hourly watchers, Fox is only No. 1 among 24-hour cable news channels. Fox , like CNN , now reaches about 4 of every 5 television households, so comparisons with broadcast news shows are increasingly valid. And among all television news sources, Fox 's performance is nothing to brag about.

The O'Reilly Factor is the best-rated show on Fox , with about 2 million viewers a night (Daily Variety , 12/5/03). CBS Evening News , the least-watched broadcast network evening news show, routinely gets four or five times as big an audience, and that's seen as a ratings disaster. Fox 's flagship news show, Special Report with Brit Hume , gets a million viewers on a good night-a few thousand more than the local newscast of New York City's WNBC (Hollywood Reporter , 10/1/03; Nielsen).

Fox likes to position itself as the alternative to all the other news that's on TV. As Fox News president Roger Ailes likes to claim (New York Times , 6/24/01), "If we look conservative, it's because the other guys are so far to the left." If it's true that news can be put into two categories--Fox and everything else--then when Special Report airs, everything else beats Fox by at least 30 to one.

Source: The Ratings Mirage

So I guess, in reality, FOX News doesn't have the "market share" to actually carry the Presidential Debates. ;)

That's not partisan, that's business! :D
 
chance you need to read Nishin's post #89.

go to all of the links there and read how wonderful your 1 network fox really is.

If you don't understand after reading those sites then you are agreeing that lies by a network is fine by you.

You want so bad for fox to be recognized as a legitimate agency and there is no way they will ever achieve that status.

Thank you Nishin, I wasn't aware of some of those lies.

:=D:
 
chance you need to read Nishin's post #89.

go to all of the links there and read how wonderful your 1 network fox really is.

If you don't understand after reading those sites then you are agreeing that lies by a network is fine by you.

You want so bad for fox to be recognized as a legitimate agency and there is no way they will ever achieve that status.

Thank you Nishin, I wasn't aware of some of those lies.

:=D:


good one

antiwar.com
fair.org
dailykos??
huffington?

please

you're just proving how much extreme liberal crap is out there posing as legit news or balanced POV

I think ur making my point

BIG bad Fox - the solo conservative leaner

vs.

everyone else

sorry to be repeating myself but your hypocritical condemnation of Fox while ignoring the other much more substantial side is kinda hard to understand

cause I've always read that gay guys are real smart

LOL
 
Ailes is first and foremost motivated by $ - the ideology is convenient but not necessary - the $ are

Nick's point is that Ailes is ideologically driven

Fox News is a tremendous money maker - why?

because real people are sick and tired of the media being slanted ONE way

Fox just attempts to even it out, even if they are just 1 vs. oh so many

good one

antiwar.com
fair.org
dailykos??
huffington?

please

you're just proving how much extreme liberal crap is out there posing as legit news or balanced POV

I think ur making my point

BIG bad Fox - the solo conservative leaner

vs.

everyone else

sorry to be repeating myself but your hypocritical condemnation of Fox while ignoring the other much more substantial side is kinda hard to understand

cause I've always read that gay guys are real smart

LOL

I think that Edward R. Murrow summed it up best, and this was nearly 50 years ago:

Edward R. Murrow: We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it, and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late.

I think it's too late. :cool:
 
I would urge all of you to read the editorial in Tuesday's 3/13/2007 edition of the Wall Street Journal. It sums up this entire discussion in a concise few paragraphs. If I knew how to copy, paste, or whatever; I would have posted the article here. The editorial is titled "In a Foxhole".

the last paragraph says
"The last election showed voters are open to listening to Democrats again, and they've got a chance to take control of the entire government next year. But Democrats won't succeed if they kowtow to every demand from the maximalist left-whether on policy issues or which journalists they are allowed to take questions from,"

(if someone has the technical skills to copy that editorial to this thread I would be appreciative)
 
Here ya go:

In a Foxhole
March 13, 2007; Page A22

So the Democratic Party of Nevada has decided to kill its planned debate among Presidential hopefuls on Fox News, and the left-wing bloggers who precipitated the coup are whooping like Howard Dean in triumph. We wonder if Democrats have really thought through the implications of this capitulation.

The MoveOn.org and DailyKos crowds had no doubts about their motive for seeking to bar Democrats from debating on Fox News. The left blogosphere thinks the most popular cable-news network leans too far right, and so Democrats should not legitimate it by appearing. The bloggers got their way last Friday, when Nevadan and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pulled his state party out of the debate.

The pretext was a joke told by Fox News chief Roger Ailes at an award dinner last week. To our ear, the jest came mostly at President Bush's expense, but we'll report and you can decide. In a series of fake news items, Mr. Ailes included the following: "It is true that Barack Obama is on the move. It is not true that President Bush called Musharraf and said, 'Why can't we catch this guy?'"

Mr. Obama has since said he wasn't offended, but Mr. Reid claimed the joke somehow "went too far." More likely, Mr. Reid was looking for some excuse to drop the Fox debate and get the MoveOn hordes off his back. This is the same Mr. Reid who claims he had agreed to the Fox debate partnership because "we strongly believe that a Democrat will not win Nevada unless we find new ways to talk to new people." Well, so much for that.

Now a move is afoot to broaden the boycott to any appearance on the Fox News channel. One of those leading that charge is John Edwards, the former Senator and Presidential candidate who has himself appeared on Fox News 33 times over the years, most recently on "Hannity & Colmes" in January. Mr. Edwards now seems to think he can only win the nomination by running to the left, which means never saying no to MoveOn.org. Earlier this year, he declined to fire two campaign workers who had written anti-Catholic screeds on their lefty Web sites.

This may be a good strategy for the blogosphere, where the echo-chamber is often the message. But we doubt it's the way to win the Presidency. Whatever one thinks of Fox's news coverage, its research shows that about half its viewers age 18-54 are either Democrats or Independents. And since Fox News has about twice the audience as CNN, refusing to appear on the channel means missing a big potential voter pool. The Congressional Black Caucus was smart enough to figure this out in 2004, when it co-sponsored two Democratic debates with Fox News. (We have our own weekend show on Fox News, and Mr. Reid is welcome to come on any time.)

The larger issue is the message this episode sends about who is running the Democratic Party -- its candidates or the bloggers with pitchforks. We still recall the famous boast from the "MoveOn PAC team" in 2004 that "Now it's our party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."
We've since watched the attempted purge of Joe Lieberman from the Senate, the demand to cut off funding for the Iraq war, and the frenzy to punish Hillary Rodham Clinton because she voted for the war. The Washington Post recently carried a story about the left blogosphere's assault on California Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher because, among other high crimes, she chairs the centrist New Democrat Coalition.

The last election showed voters are open to listening to Democrats again, and they've got a chance to take control of the entire government next year. But Democrats won't succeed if they kowtow to every demand from the maximalist left -- whether on policy issues or which journalists they are allowed to take questions from.

URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117375122497534986.html
 
[off-topic] ^ you really don't know how to copy/paste??? :eek:
I'm finding it hard to believe but if it's the case :

1. highlight the text you want to copy
2. click Edit/copy
OR right-click/copy
OR press ctrl+C
3. Click in the window you wanna paste text at
4. click Edit/paste
OR right-click/paste
OR press ctrl+v

That is if you're on windows...

[/off-topic]
 
good one

antiwar.com
fair.org
dailykos??
huffington?

please

you're just proving how much extreme liberal crap is out there posing as legit news or balanced POV

I think ur making my point

BIG bad Fox - the solo conservative leaner

vs.

everyone else

sorry to be repeating myself but your hypocritical condemnation of Fox while ignoring the other much more substantial side is kinda hard to understand

cause I've always read that gay guys are real smart

LOL

It's impossible to get thru to a closed mind. You have made my point as you agree with fox that lies make the news.

sad.
 
respected news source

That comes really close to being on par with "military intelligence".

I've only read two pages of the thread so far, and what I see is the left resorting to whining and accusations... and the right, with one stellar exception, nitpicking and snipping back.

Time to see if the next two pages are any better.
 
noi the same cannot be said about them

what are you talking about?

most news sources are NOT taken with a grain of salt

lol

Apparently you haven't been reading the thread -- go look at the figures in that nice little chart that was posted. See how low the trust level is?
It sorta suggests that most Americans don't really trust any of the traditional news sources out there. I'd call that "taking with a grain of salt"... or worse.
 
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