Dharun Ravi Indicted in Tyler Clementi Suicide

[DigitalFudge]

^^^ Pretty much.


He will be out in four years TOPS

 

[rareboy]

I suspect he'll never do actual prison time.

 

[Ninja108]

While ten years is too harsh,I will not be upset if he gets 1-3 years.
Sorry,this was not some nieve kid doing this as a prank. His intent was to humilate and degrade Tyler..which he did.

 

[kev]

I agree. Dharun Ravi doesn't need prison - he needs to learn that we're not a bunch of monsters - raving perverts who deserve the kind of mistreatment that he so stridently inflicted on Tyler Clementi. Also, perhaps he might learn that we're not automatically objects of ridicule. He might achieve these goals through court-ordered participation in GLSEN-type meetings. If I may offer a quote from To Kill a Mockingbird: "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view... until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." I don't think Mr. Ravi is even 21. Maybe it's not too late.

Miss you, Tyler.

This situation needs what all gay people want: compassion and grace.

Maybe Mr. Ravi doesn't need to learn what gay people are like because maybe he is a closeted gay man. Maybe his despicable antics were a way to ameliorate the agony that perhaps he had in himself for being gay. In psychology, this is called "transference".

Maybe all of you hang-em-high posters are displaying your own transference for the personal pain you have experienced in your lives for being gay.

If so, I understand that, but it is not right, not fair, and, for someone accused of a crime, not just.

This sentence bothers me because there is no way to ascertain Mr. Clementi's motivations or state of mind when he chose to jump off of the GW bridge. He is dead and cannot be questioned. Justice demands that an accused be able to face his accuser in open court. The suppositions of the GLBT community do not come without a grain of salt...you are not impartial.

Maybe Mr. Ravi is just a homophobic, heterosexual prick, or at least the archetype. It sure is quick and easy and, oh, so satisfying to think that, but there is no way we can know that.

Maybe Mr. Clementi had other issues that pushed him over the brink. Perhaps he had problems that led to suicide that were completely unrelated to his betrayal. We will never know.

 

[JB3]

I suspect he'll never do actual prison time.

He will. Being convicted of a hate crime will guarantee it.

A year would be sufficient. But he should also be required to do the things some others have mentioned. I would also say he needs to sit down with Tyler's parents, explain to them why he did what he did, and see their grief and pain face to face. His actions had consequences, and I'm not convinced he understands that yet.

Regardless, this young man's life is never going to be the same. He's now a convicted felon, and once he's released from jail he will likely be deported. As far as everyone should be concerned, the harshest punishment of all for him is that his life is now completely ruined.

 

[TX-Beau]

Unless he gets deported to a place that will applaud him for what he did.

 

[Kulindahr]

This sentence bothers me because there is no way to ascertain Mr. Clementi's motivations or state of mind when he chose to jump off of the GW bridge. He is dead and cannot be questioned. Justice demands that an accused be able to face his accuser in open court. The suppositions of the GLBT community do not come without a grain of salt...you are not impartial.


Maybe Mr. Clementi had other issues that pushed him over the brink. Perhaps he had problems that led to suicide that were completely unrelated to his betrayal. We will never know.

Except the trial wasn't about his death. No charges were made concerning that. So he did face his accuser in court -- the state. Certainly Tyler would have been an accuser as well, but the charges for which Ravi were indicted are crimes against the state, because the state claims an interest in what happens between people, and in what some do to others indirectly.


For my part -- any sentence over two years will not be justice.

Since some of us conversed with Tyler here, I wonder if JUB could submit a request for clemency.

 

[Kulindahr]

He will. Being convicted of a hate crime will guarantee it.

A year would be sufficient. But he should also be required to do the things some others have mentioned. I would also say he needs to sit down with Tyler's parents, explain to them why he did what he did, and see their grief and pain face to face. His actions had consequences, and I'm not convinced he understands that yet.

Regardless, this young man's life is never going to be the same. He's now a convicted felon, and once he's released from jail he will likely be deported. As far as everyone should be concerned, the harshest punishment of all for him is that his life is now completely ruined.

That last is the worst. In essence, no matter what the official sentence is, he will serve a life sentence.

 

[chrisrobin]

That last is the worst. In essence, no matter what the official sentence is, he will serve a life sentence.

You are absolutely right.
The economy is slow. Jobs are scarce. Let's pretend there are two people interviewing for a job. One is a convicted felon, the other is not. Who gets the job? Returning to India might be beneficial for Mr. Ravi unless prospective employers there would not be hiring convicted felons.

 

[TX-Beau]

I'm not getting all the hand wringing over this guy. He committed the crimes, there's no disputing that. The system will do what the system will do and that is that.

I doubt he's going to get the max, it's immaterial to me whether he serves 10 years or 3.

He could have avoided the whole thing simply by not being a dumbass in the first place. He might be young but he wasn't 12, and what he did was malicious, with malicious intent. there's no way to argue that either.

 

[TX-Beau]

You are absolutely right.
The economy is slow. Jobs are scarce. Let's pretend there are two people interviewing for a job. One is a convicted felon, the other is not. Who gets the job? Returning to India might be beneficial for Mr. Ravi unless prospective employers there would not be hiring convicted felons.

I believe, but don't quote me on it, that convicted felons are ineligible for permanent residency. So he's going to have to live his life somewhere else anyway.

 

[hotatlboi]

chances are, they'll let him serve his sentences concurrently and it will be more like 3-5 years.

With actual time served of 2 or less (assuming good behavior).

 

[Ninja108]

Under New Jersey law,any sentence he gets, he will have to serve %85 of.
And I'm sorry,while I don't think he intended for Tyler to kill himself, a 18 year old is NOT a child. He knew what he was doing was wrong but didn't care.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Justice has been served. This is a lesson to every damn bully who thinks it's funny and delightfully cruel to pick on a newly out gay boy or girl and drive them to suicide.

Ravi had a chance for mercy by the prosecutors, but he denied it. He stood by that his actions of bullying were somehow excusable or okay. Now he's going to pay 10 long years as a convicted felon and then deported. This has set a good, legal precedent of prosecuting and convicting responsible homophobes in the future.

Tyler Clementi was one of us at JustUsBoys. He should still be posting here with us. Some of you need to show a little more understanding of the situation.

 

[chance1]

Justice has been served. This is a lesson to every damn bully who thinks it's funny and delightfully cruel to pick on a newly out gay boy or girl and drive them to suicide.

Ravi had a chance for mercy by the prosecutors, but he denied it. He stood by that his actions of bullying were somehow excusable or okay. Now he's going to pay 10 long years as a convicted felon and then deported. This has set a good, legal precedent of prosecuting and convicting responsible homophobes in the future.

Tyler Clementi was one of us at JustUsBoys. He should still be posting here with us. Some of you need to show a little more understanding of the situation.

I disagree - justice has not been served

This kid has been made an example of - for what end I don't know

He clearly did something very wrong - but he did not cause the death of Tyler Clementi

and now there are two victims - Tyler and Dharun

Tyler's own mom did not support his sexual orientation - should she be held accountable in a court of law?

Tyler was obviously a troubled young man and to put all of the blame on Dharun's actions is just not reasonable

I just don't see how this verdict is just


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-adam/dharun-ravi-case_b_1355504.html

 

[JB3]

I disagree - justice has not been served

This kid has been made an example of - for what end I don't know

He clearly did something very wrong - but he did not cause the death of Tyler Clementi

and now there are two victims - Tyler and Dharun

Tyler's own mom did not support his sexual orientation - should she be held accountable in a court of law?

Tyler was obviously a troubled young man and to put all of the blame on Dharun's actions is just not reasonable

I just don't see how this verdict is just


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-adam/dharun-ravi-case_b_1355504.html

Then you're not paying attention to what he was charged with.

 

[chance1]

^ he was given the sentence clearly because Tyler died

 

[JayQueer]

I disagree - justice has not been served

This kid has been made an example of - for what end I don't know

He clearly did something very wrong - but he did not cause the death of Tyler Clementi

and now there are two victims - Tyler and Dharun

Tyler's own mom did not support his sexual orientation - should she be held accountable in a court of law?

Tyler was obviously a troubled young man and to put all of the blame on Dharun's actions is just not reasonable

I just don't see how this verdict is just

Chance, I agree with you 100%.

I definitely feel for Tyler Clementi -- especially because I have had a really hard time coming to terms with my sexuality & identity, and because I have had a suicide attempt before and multiple times of seriously considering suicide.

But let me ask everyone -- let's say that Tyler Clementi DIDN'T commit suicide. Let's say that Tyler Clementi changed his mind at the last minute & chose NOT to jump off the bridge, and went back to Rutgers.

What would have most likely happened?

The Resident Assistant (RA) of the dorm would have seen Tyler Clementi's request for a room change (which was filed prior to his suicide). There would have been some kind of resolution. Most likely Tyler Clementi or Dharun Ravi would have moved to a new dorm room. If the whole "webcam spying" from Dharun Ravi was discovered, Dharun Ravi would have received a stern warning from Rutgers. At most he may have even been expelled from the college for personal misconduct (but with no criminal charges).

But it wouldn't have ever reached a criminal courtroom, with the proceedings being followed by the national media.

In some ways, the Tyler Clementi case became the cause celebre of ALL episodes of gay bullying in America's schools. Certainly, there have been at least 10 to 15 LGBT youth (almost all of whom are young gay men) who committed suicide in the last couple years, with national coverage of the aftermath.

But there haven't been any other legal trials with the perpetrators being prosecuted & convicted of bullying gay students.

Part of the problem is that there is no clear villain when it comes to bullying of LGBT teens & adults. Who is directly to blame, who can be legally prosecuted? Is it a particular student? Is it the gay person's family? Is it a school teacher or the school administration? Is it American culture as a whole? The problem with bullying against LGBT teens & adults, is that the "villain" is amorphous and abstract....

The powerbrokers in the LGBT community (from head of HRC, to Get Equal, to the Trevor Project to Dan Savage & Michael Signorile) were furious about lack of a concrete "villain" or person directly to blame in ALL of the other cases of bullying against gay youth.

BUT in Tyler Clementi's situation, there WAS a clear person to blame (at least for the webcam spying). And that was Dharun Ravi.

Somebody's "head had to roll"............and that head belonged to Dharun Ravi.

 

[JB3]

^ he was given the sentence clearly because Tyler died

Go read what he was convicted of. Read each individual charge and than go and read up on what they are and what they mean legally. Then you'll understand why he was convicted and why he's going to jail.

 

[JB3]

Chance, I agree with you 100%.

I definitely feel for Tyler Clementi -- especially because I have had a really hard time coming to terms with my sexuality & identity, and because I have had a suicide attempt before and multiple times of seriously considering suicide.

But let me ask everyone -- let's say that Tyler Clementi DIDN'T commit suicide. Let's say that Tyler Clementi changed his mind at the last minute & chose NOT to jump off the bridge, and went back to Rutgers.

What would have most likely happened?

The Resident Assistant (RA) of the dorm would have seen Tyler Clementi's request for a room change (which was filed prior to his suicide). There would have been some kind of resolution. Most likely Tyler Clementi or Dharun Ravi would have moved to a new dorm room. If the whole "webcam spying" from Dharun Ravi was discovered, Dharun Ravi would have received a stern warning from Rutgers. At most he may have even been expelled from the college for personal misconduct (but with no criminal charges).

But it wouldn't have ever reached a criminal courtroom, with the proceedings being followed by the national media.

In some ways, the Tyler Clementi case became the cause celebre of ALL episodes of gay bullying in America's schools. Certainly, there have been at least 10 to 15 LGBT youth (almost all of whom are young gay men) who committed suicide in the last couple years, with national coverage of the aftermath.

But there haven't been any other legal trials with the perpetrators being prosecuted & convicted of bullying gay students.

Part of the problem is that there is no clear villain when it comes to bullying of LGBT teens & adults. Who is directly to blame, who can be legally prosecuted? Is it a particular student? Is it the gay person's family? Is it a school teacher or the school administration? Is it American culture as a whole? The problem with bullying against LGBT teens & adults, is that the "villain" is amorphous and abstract....

The powerbrokers in the LGBT community (from head of HRC, to Get Equal, to the Trevor Project to Dan Savage & Michael Signorile) were furious about lack of a concrete "villain" or person directly to blame in ALL of the other cases of bullying against gay youth.

BUT in Tyler Clementi's situation, there WAS a clear person to blame (at least for the webcam spying). And that was Dharun Ravi.

Somebody's "head had to roll"............and that head belonged to Dharun Ravi.

You disdain Tyler's memory with your gross oversimplification of what happened, and why Ravi was charged and convicted. Not to mention the fact that your knowledge of what is going on with regards to gay bullying is woefully inadequate. A simple google search would have turned up a dozen instances of prosecution for gay bullying in the last year. Since you don't seem to want to do it yourself: Let me google that for you