Eating live fish!

[Narcissism is fun]

My point is that there is no way to "humanely kill" anything when it's being killed strictly for your pleasure. You DON'T NEED meat. You WANT meat. You don't need to wear leather either.

Being condescending is not helping your case. It doesn't matter whether an animal suffers 10 minutes or 5 when it doesn't have to suffer at all if you didn't want to fill your belly with it. You are in no position to point fingers at anyone's method for preparing food when simultaneously you are responsible for the killings/suffering of many animals yourself.

You are right, there is no discernable difference between killing an animal and torturing it before killing it.

 

[NameTaken]

You are right, there is no discernable difference between killing an animal and torturing it before killing it.

Lol.

Maybe he thinks we should throw everybody who has ever eaten meat in jail with all the psychotic killers and people who have tortured animals for no purpose, since there apparently is no difference between the two and intent doesn't matter.

 

[Passion4Muzik]

On the contrary, our bodies were DESIGNED for meat. We can survive without it, but we were designed as hunter gatherers. While it is possible to survive without meat the most healthy diets (read: good for you) will include a balanced meal with occasional meat. Unless you want to try to rewrite hisory you don't really have a case there.

That's where we differ, I and many others have enough morals to prefer animals to suffer as little as possible. You trying to say there is no way to "humanely kill" is utter stupidity. What is euthansia? You, yourself have even have refered to euthanising in a post in this very thread! Humanely killing is really quite simple to understand, it is tyring to kill something while inflicting as little suffering as possible. No finger has been pointed for the act of killing, a finger has only been pointed at the METHOD. My god, is this the 5th+ time I have explained that. Really, you must be trying to troll this thread if you are trying to appear like that hasn't sunk in yet...

Sorry if I sound condescending, but it's hard not to sound that way when the same point has been explained time and time again while the other man shows little to no comprehension and has put nothing new or anything at all that has actually been a good argument on the table.

Disagreeing with you doesn't necessarily reflect on anyone else's comprehension skills. I qualified my statement about "humane killing" when I said there's not way to humanely kill when it's strictly for your pleasure. If you feel that meat is something we need, why are you concerned about the suffering of the animals? If you feel guilt about animals suffering then why don't you think it's hypocritical to eat them when YOU DON'T HAVE TO?

 

[Passion4Muzik]

You are right, there is no discernable difference between killing an animal and torturing it before killing it.

That's not what I said. I don't understand why anyone is concerned with the suffering of animals when the animal is being killed to be put in their mouths. Do you not see the hypocrisy in saying you feel badly about animals suffering while being a meat eater? I understand vegetarians/vegans being concerned about animal suffering, but not meat-eaters and leather/fur wearers.

 

[NameTaken]

Disagreeing with you doesn't necessarily reflect on anyone else's comprehension skills. I qualified my statement about "humane killing" when I said there's not way to humanely kill when it's strictly for your pleasure. If you feel that meat is something we need, why are you concerned about the suffering of the animals?

Interesting that you somehow believe that purely because of the way humans evovled (as meat eaters) that we can not at least feel enough compassion towards an animal to not want it to be tortured. People also "feel" that we need shelter, but I guess by your logic we can no longer be concerned about the forests.

If you feel guilt about animals suffering then why don't you think it's hypocritical to eat them when YOU DON'T HAVE TO?

Let me answer your stale, stale question yet again: It's the NEEDLESS suffering that is the most concerning. Some suffering will unfortunately happen whenever an animal is killed to be eaten. It's when the suffering is needlessly and gratuitously more than it has to be that problems arise. Why would you purposely let an animal feel pain when you could just as easily kill it and then continue on? (Am I getting through that thick, thick skull yet?)

I'm guessing you feel there would be nothing wrong with torturing prisoners to death who were given the death sentence, since, you know, it's exactly the same as killing them in less than a few minutes anyway.

 

[Passion4Muzik]

Interesting that you somehow believe that purely because of the way humans evovled (as meat eaters) that we can not at least feel enough compassion towards an animal to not want it to be tortured. People also "feel" that we need shelter, but I guess by your logic we can no longer be concerned about the forests.

You can feel compassion. The problem with what you're saying is that you eat meat. Animals suffer because of you're actions, yet you're pointing fingers at others because the animals they kill may suffer more.

Let me answer your stale, stale question yet again: It's the NEEDLESS suffering that is the most concerning. Some suffering will unfortunately happen whenever an animal is killed to be eaten. It's when the suffering is needlessly and gratuitously more than it has to be that problems arise. Why would you purposely let an animal feel pain when you could just as easily kill it and then continue on? (Am I getting through that thick, thick skull yet?)

This is the last time I'm going to say it -- humans do not need meat to live. The animals killed for your food all endured needless suffering.

I'm guessing you feel there would be nothing wrong with torturing prisoners to death who were given the death sentence, since, you know, it's exactly the same as killing them in less than a few minutes anyway.

You make a lot of assumptions. I never stated that torture is the same as killing a living being instantly. I was marveling at the supposed concern over animal suffering by people who eat meat.

 

[icefan]

I just love how the same person who says that Asian people have no respect and stupid is the same person who has posted the videos throughout this thread. I don't condone the action, but if these videos are causing you so much pain, why are you taking the time to find them in the first place?

 

[slowandsteady]

And how many fishes die in the U.S. pet stores a day? Millions die each year from ick, fin rot, stress, etc. Most stores don't want to waste medication so the fishes die slowly from the pathogens.

It doesn't matter b/c those fishes are in america and they are smaller. /sacasm

 

[NameTaken]

You can feel compassion. The problem with what you're saying is that you eat meat. Animals suffer because of you're actions, yet you're pointing fingers at others because the animals they kill may suffer more. This is the last time I'm going to say it -- humans do not need meat to live. The animals killed for your food all endured needless suffering.

I'm sorry, but you must be daft. Let me quote myself. Maybe this time you'll actually be able to comprehend it. Though I SERIOUSLY have my doubts as to your ability to ever do so.

On the contrary, our bodies were DESIGNED for meat. We can survive without it, but we were designed as hunter gatherers. While it is possible to survive without meat the most healthy diets (read: good for you) will include a balanced meal with occasional meat. Unless you want to try to rewrite hisory you don't really have a case there.

Thus, the mere act of killing and eating an animal is not uneccesary as that is the way we have evolved, the way our bodies were designed to work, and eating some meat is part of the most healthy way to live. If eating any meat was BAD for you, you may have a point. Unfortunately for you, eating meat sometimes is healthy for us. If you want to be as healthy as possible your body does need meat sometimes. If you'd like to actually make your silly point again and look even more foolish and have it shot down a third time by the same quote, be my guest. What is uneccesary is keeping the animal alive far longer than it has to be while forcing pain upon it. As I've said before, if you had the ability to see the world in shades of grey rather than black and white you'd probably have been able to realize how silly you were being by now.

You make a lot of assumptions. I never stated that torture is the same as killing a living being instantly. I was marveling at the supposed concern over animal suffering by people who eat meat.

Right, and that logic can be applied to many situations, as I'm saying. You are using the logic that the result (in this case the fact that the animal gets eaten) is the only thing that matters, and the method (how fast, etc.) doest not matter. As I've pointed out enough times that preschoolers would have been able to understand, it's the gratuitous suffering that matters.

Some suffering will have to happen when we eat an animal, but the thing to be concerned over is when the suffering is more than neccesary. It's like in a war. Even though we are killing the enemy we have laws against torture, we have the Geneva Convention. I guess according to you these things are worthless (I wouldn't be surprised). In a war most people don't set out with the intent to keep the enemy alive and in pain longer than neccesary, they set out to kill or capture them as swiftly as possible.