Ebola Comes to Atlanta

[Kulindahr]

No, it is not outdated information. You say Ebola is not an airborne disease, ever heard of someone sneezing?

Ebola doesn't transmit via sneezes, or coughs. If it did, the stuff would already have been weaponized.

My guess is that if Ebola has been confirmed in Atlanta, then it is a given that other cities will see cases, probably in the next 7-10 days.

Did you even read the article? Ebola hasn't been found in Atlanta, they're bringing in two people infected with Ebola, in thorough medical isolation, for treatment.

But even if it had been found on the streets in Atlanta, your conclusion is unlikely. Transmitting Ebola isn't easy -- if it were, we'd see tens of millions dying in Africa, not just hundreds -- especially in the West where people are practically addicted to cleanliness compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Kulindahr]

What exactly is your agenda with all this fear mongering? Oh, and by the way, this actually isn't the first case of Ebola in the US. We had a full fledged outbreak in 1989. Google, "Reston ebolavirius"'.

Um, the Reston virus isn't pathogenic to humans, only to monkeys.

 

[Kulindahr]

You are correct we have no idea how many may die. There is nothing the fuck wrong with me, i stated that Ebola can be caught by someone sneezing, you know bodily fluids.
As for "fear mongering" grow the fuck up. I have no horse in this race, do you?

According to both WHO and the CDC, Ebola cannot be transmitted via sneezes. It could possibly be transmitted if you blew your nose and wiped the snot on someone's open cut, though.

 

[Kulindahr]

No i do not run and hide when a patient with AIDS sneezes. As for "end-of-the-world type posts". Stop being so infantile, to compare AIDS to Ebola only shows your own ignorance. I am done with you

It's definitely fear-mongering to be telling people that the virus can be spread in ways it cannot.

 

[Kulindahr]

Ebola has NOT been confirmed in Atlanta! Two victims are being flown to the containment suites at Emory University; the suites were set up in conjunction with the CDC; there are only 4 such suites in the US. There is no risk to the general population.

What fear mongering has shown up in this thread.

Fear-mongering, and ignorance.

 

[Kulindahr]

sum dude wite The Stand wot make a film ans folk surivae it
_lot a crap story ans movie tings folk survae so wot is a woory?_
" it cause movie gonna be afirca no a utah? "
* quick where a africa? *
! sorry is patriotic nothin outside bordas !
* ooh all gurd ten *
$ dramtic news a scientist disocva end a world $
_screammmmmmmm tolet papa sold out screaaaaaaaaam_
$ but ins 10zillion yr time so betta stock up $
-ooh - screaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam _

anyway

£ wot a in bucket a news taday?£
sumthang sticky a bottoms
£ screaaaaaaaaaaam £

thankyou

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You are too funny.

 

[Kulindahr]

In the films that I have seen after only one sneeze all the passengers are infected and go on to infect every person they meet.

Yeah, and in movies you see cars explode in ways that can only happen if you pack them with explosives in just the right way.

 

[Kulindahr]

I did read that Ebola doesn't survive well outside of a host, so that seems to be one good thing possibly working for the people that are fighting to remain healthy.

Yes -- it doesn't transmit easily. Despite attempts to weaponize the stuff, that poor transmissibility has stymied efforts over and over.

 

[Kulindahr]

This article also states that Ebola can survive for several days outside of a host, which contradicts what I read previously. The references he uses have a lot of interesting information as well.

Whoa -- then why do WHO and the CDC so confidently say it can't be transmitted through the air?!

Everything I've ever read about Ebola says it can't survive long outside a host, too.

 

[Kulindahr]

Actually, if you read my previous post I mention that another article that I've read states that it can survive for several days outside of the body. I provided links if you're interested in reading them and seeing what different researchers are saying. It seems that the virus has been observed being transmitted through the air, though only between different animal species. It hasn't been observed happening between humans but that hardly means that it is impossible. You seem pretty confident in the fact that it can't be transmitted through the air and through sneezing but the research seems inconclusive at best for right now and actually seems to lean towards possibility since it's happened with other animals. I'd guess that none of us would want to be in a small room or on a small plane when someone suffering from this virus lets out a powerful sneeze.

Maybe the bloody thing has mutated, and that recently? That's the only explanation I can see for major health organizations being so confident it can't transmit between humans in an aerosol, but new research suggesting it might.

And that's scary: if, for example, it had a 0.5% chance of transmission via aerosol, and that only to people with open cuts/scrapes/sores, that's still a door to weaponization; all someone would have to do would be to transmit it via aerosol in a very, very crowded venue with people present from all over a country or continent. Release it in a closed space such as a large sporting event, or in several at the same time, and the result could be cases numbering in the high hundreds -- possibly enough to kick-start an epidemic.

 

[medic1]

Ebola doesn't transmit via sneezes, or coughs. If it did, the stuff would already have been weaponized.



Did you even read the article? Ebola hasn't been found in Atlanta, they're bringing in two people infected with Ebola, in thorough medical isolation, for treatment.

But even if it had been found on the streets in Atlanta, your conclusion is unlikely. Transmitting Ebola isn't easy -- if it were, we'd see tens of millions dying in Africa, not just hundreds -- especially in the West where people are practically addicted to cleanliness compared to the rest of the world.

According to both WHO and the CDC, Ebola cannot be transmitted via sneezes. It could possibly be transmitted if you blew your nose and wiped the snot on someone's open cut, though.

It's definitely fear-mongering to be telling people that the virus can be spread in ways it cannot.

I don't think the West is nearly as clean as you might think.

Also:



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ica-disease-epidemic-africa-medicine-science/

I don't know that researchers have 100% agreed on whether or not you can get the virus through sneezes. It seems like there is a chance that it is possible, though. I recall watching a documentary a while back that stated that the virus didn't need to necessarily penetrate skin, but could also gain access to your body through your other portals (eyes and mouth).

I don't think that people should be running around panicking at all, but I think that what is happening is worth discussing since this is the first time the virus is being treated on US soil. Also, many people apparently weren't even aware that this has been going on for a while in Africa, so more awareness might bring more aid.

Fear-mongering, and ignorance.

There is still much debate about the risk of infection from droplets found in the nose. As for "Did you read the article", this is why i added the caveat "if" Ebola is found in Atlanta.
If leading medical and scientific experts are still "debating" on whether this disease can be transmitted through droplets of fluid expelled by a person sneezing and inhaled by another. That for me is reason enough to at least consider that possibility.
One of the reasons why "millions" have not died of outbreaks in Africa is rather simple, isolation. There have been cases of entire villages being wiped out. The saving grace, for wont of a better description is the distance between many areas of population.
I hope this post explains my reasoning better, or easier for you to understand...

 

[medic1]

Actually, if you read my previous post I mention that another article that I've read states that it can survive for several days outside of the body. I provided links if you're interested in reading them and seeing what different researchers are saying. It seems that the virus has been observed being transmitted through the air, though only between different animal species. It hasn't been observed happening between humans but that hardly means that it is impossible. You seem pretty confident in the fact that it can't be transmitted through the air and through sneezing but the research seems inconclusive at best for right now and actually seems to lean towards possibility since it's happened with other animals. I'd guess that none of us would want to be in a small room or on a small plane when someone suffering from this virus lets out a powerful sneeze.

Maybe the bloody thing has mutated, and that recently? That's the only explanation I can see for major health organizations being so confident it can't transmit between humans in an aerosol, but new research suggesting it might.

And that's scary: if, for example, it had a 0.5% chance of transmission via aerosol, and that only to people with open cuts/scrapes/sores, that's still a door to weaponization; all someone would have to do would be to transmit it via aerosol in a very, very crowded venue with people present from all over a country or continent. Release it in a closed space such as a large sporting event, or in several at the same time, and the result could be cases numbering in the high hundreds -- possibly enough to kick-start an epidemic.

What were you saying about ignorance? You have gone from it cannot, to, "new research suggesting it might".
Which has been my point all along...

 

[Just_Believe18]

I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about the American returning to the U.S. for treatment. He's under quarantine. Any African infected with the ebola virus could hop a plane and spread it anywhere in this country right now. There's no check points or barriers keeping the virus from coming here except for the small scale containment that is happening on the African continent.

 

[JayQueer]

There is still much debate about the risk of infection from droplets found in the nose. As for "Did you read the article", this is why i added the caveat "if" Ebola is found in Atlanta.
If leading medical and scientific experts are still "debating" on whether this disease can be transmitted through droplets of fluid expelled by a person sneezing and inhaled by another. That for me is reason enough to at least consider that possibility.
One of the reasons why "millions" have not died of outbreaks in Africa is rather simple, isolation. There have been cases of entire villages being wiped out. The saving grace, for wont of a better description is the distance between many areas of population.
I hope this post explains my reasoning better, or easier for you to understand...

There is still much debate about the risk of infection from droplets found in the nose. As for "Did you read the article", this is why i added the caveat "if" Ebola is found in Atlanta.
If leading medical and scientific experts are still "debating" on whether this disease can be transmitted through droplets of fluid expelled by a person sneezing and inhaled by another. That for me is reason enough to at least consider that possibility.
One of the reasons why "millions" have not died of outbreaks in Africa is rather simple, isolation. There have been cases of entire villages being wiped out. The saving grace, for wont of a better description is the distance between many areas of population.
I hope this post explains my reasoning better, or easier for you to understand...

Ebola is extremely contagious. It has to be transmitted by air (through the droplets in a sneeze) or at least by touching contaminated surfaces. The problem is that, for Ebola, "contaminated surfaces" includes everything that touches a person with ebola. And even after someone survives Ebola, he can spread Ebola through having oral, anal or heterosexual sex (the semen/cum contains ebola for months)

The articles I read said that they were likely infected by another worker who was just starting to fall sick but still came to work & didn't yet know what he had (that person later died of Ebola). If you are sick, droplets of your saliva or nose mucus, etc may be on your hands & you may not realize it. Your sweat is on your skin too.

When you do something innocent like shake someone else's hand, or sit at a table at a restaurant, or borrow someone's pencil or pen, you are exposing yourself to other people's bodily secretions. All it takes is to shake someone else's hand and a few minutes later, touch your nose or your mouth. Then you are infected too.

 

[JPGhost]

Well.. I think it's ok as long they came here in quarantine, not like..they running amok without procedure.
As for Obama administration ..I got a hint that he's more into/prioritize individual safety/well being (whoever American) even with a toll of national security neither Ebola virus or Taliban.

 

[JayQueer]

Well.. I think it's ok as long they came here in quarantine, not like..they running amok without procedure.
As for Obama administration ..I got a hint that he's more into/prioritize individual safety/well being (whoever American) even with a toll of national security neither Ebola virus or Taliban.

Oh yes, introducing Ebola to the US under a "quarantine" is perfectly safe.

Just like the US government responded appropriately to the AIDS crisis, the Obamacare insurance website was without glitches, & the US government managed Benghazi just fine, I'm sure the US government can make sure Ebola is quarantined. What could possibly go wrong?

(sarcasm)

 

[xbuzzerx]

Oh yes, introducing Ebola to the US under a "quarantine" is perfectly safe.

Just like the US government responded appropriately to the AIDS crisis, the Obamacare insurance website was without glitches, & the US government managed Benghazi just fine, I'm sure the US government can make sure Ebola is quarantined. What could possibly go wrong?

(sarcasm)

JayQueer you are aware that these same biolabs using these same containment procedures have had samples of things like smallpox, Spanish flu, cholera, etc. for years/decades?

 

[Kulindahr]

What were you saying about ignorance? You have gone from it cannot, to, "new research suggesting it might".
Which has been my point all along...

No, you've been asserting sneezes would transmit it, and that it spreads easily, despite the fact that both HWO and the CDC say the opposite, and you never mentioned research. For a supposed medical person, you show ignorance of what the authorities say -- and you had nothing to offer but your own opinion when those positions were pointed out to you. It took someone else to bring in material showing that there is apparently no longer that solid agreement -- and now you have the audacity to reference that as somehow showing your aren't ignorant! Maybe if you'd brought it up to begin with, you could make that claim, but since it took someone else to bring in that information, all you're doing is dodging and weaving.

And BTW, your "point all along" is still wrong: that new research shows it transmitting by aerosol between animals; it plainly says there is no indication it does such a thing between humans, or even between animals and humans.

 

[JayQueer]

JayQueer you are aware that these same biolabs using these same containment procedures have had samples of things like smallpox, Spanish flu, cholera, etc. for years/decades?

xbuzzerx, are you aware that there have been lapses in security with some of those samples?? They don't tell the public about all of the lapses because they don't want to start a panic. Take a look at this news article about how the CDC did not follow their containment procedures for smallpox, anthrax & other diseases?

http://news.yahoo.com/u-cdc-lab-inspectors-may-risked-public-safety-012556143--finance.html

I know someone who used to work at the CDC in Atlanta. He told me stories about some of the security and containment problems that have happened there. But people don't care about fixing the problems because they want to be promoted & if they report problems, it makes them look bad. So people just don't say anything.

 

[xbuzzerx]

xbuzzerx, are you aware that there have been lapses in security with some of those samples?? They don't tell the public about all of the lapses because they don't want to start a panic. Take a look at this news article about how the CDC did not follow their containment procedures for smallpox, anthrax & other diseases?

http://news.yahoo.com/u-cdc-lab-inspectors-may-risked-public-safety-012556143--finance.html

I know someone who used to work at the CDC in Atlanta. He told me stories about some of the security and containment problems that have happened there. But people don't care about fixing the problems because they want to be promoted & if they report problems, it makes them look bad. So people just don't say anything.

There's always cause for caution when it comes to the handling of a high threat biohazardous contaminant or disease.

But given that the CDC is yet to start a nationwide plague, this alarmism that they are incapable of being trusted with this type of containment procedure because you found an IRS mistake on your tax return is specious, at best.

P.S. If I'm not mistaken they've had ebola samples all this time, as well.