Ever get the feeling 'some' gays would like to open "Homo Re-Educational Camps"

[rareboy]

The 'liberal agenda' is another bullshit phrase bandied about by the intellectually bereft.

That horse ought to be put out of its misery too.

Citing Conservapedia is just about the ultimate in mindless research.

It is also an elitist site.

 

[Kulindahr]

Jack, "elitist" has come to mean "someone who has an intellect and isn't afraid to use it."

No, that's a weak defense by people who aren't willing to face the fact that there is a strong streak among the educated people in the country that gives every sign of believing that those who didn't go to college aren't worth listening to and really shouldn't even have a say, those with a basic college degree are to be tolerated, but the only ones who are acceptable are those who got degrees from the "best" universities or advanced degrees elsewhere -- and then they have to believe that government is here to solve every problem take care of all our needs -- and of course to define those needs in the first place so there aren't any unacceptable ones.

What "elitist" (when coupled with the word "liberal", anyway) means is "someone who has an intellect and therefore expects everyone else to bow down in awe".

 

[Supersix]

Very well put.

 

[Jack Springer]

Jack, "elitist" has come to mean "someone who has an intellect and isn't afraid to use it."

Sadly, GWB, Palin et cetera have made intelligence a liability. Their fans feel better when someone just as ignorant as they are is in power. It makes them feel better about their own inadequacies. (Some still cite Palin's inablity to recall a single newspaper or magazine she reads on a regular basis as "gotcha journalism" on Katie Couric's part. Seriously! WTF?)

I, on the other hand, want my leaders to be unapologetically intelligent.

According to Teabaggers, that makes me elitist.

So be it.

As I said...It beats the hell out of the alternative.

Donny, for decades Liberals have tried to paint Republicans/Conservatives as stupid.

Reagan was not a stupid man, Goldwater was not a stupid man. However most of the media and academia treated them as such -- as you said you want your leaders to be "unapologetically intelligent". The media did their best to to make both of these men look stupid.

They have done it recently with Palin -- but not with Nancy Polosi. Have you ever heard Polosi speak or give a press conference . . . it's makes you wander how she made it to where she is today.


Just disagreeing with someone does not make you stupid.

 

[Stardreamer]

In political leaders, I actually prefer wisdom and common sense to plain intellect. I've seen some pretty foolish intellectuals.

 

[Supersix]

There's a difference between book smarts and street smarts. Most people seem to have one or the other, seldom both. Then there's people who have neither..........

 

[Kulindahr]

In political leaders, I actually prefer wisdom and common sense to plain intellect. I've seen some pretty foolish intellectuals.

It's nice to find someone with both. After his last town hall meeting here, I'm thinking Wyden might be one such. It would be nice to have more.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kuli, do you not agree that GWB, Palin and others have intentionally demeaned intellectualism? I believe firmly that they have, and that they did so on the advice of political advisors.

Yes, they have, but their advisors recommended it because there really is a phenomenon of liberal elitism.

The twin evil to liberal elitism is plutocratic elitism, and of the two I think I'd rather have the liberal version -- I think it's more susceptible to a cure.

The trouble, though is deadly duet that ensues when these two tango: because the liberal elites call the plutocrats filthy rich and warn against them, the plutocrats can get away with playing "poor me; I earned every dollar and they want to take it away!" So those who might get a clue that they're being being for fools by some of their own worst enemies get tricked into defending the beasts.

Question: do the liberal elites do it on purpose, or are they really as stupid as it appears?

 

[Kulindahr]

I think those people are demeaned, and intellectualism has nothing to do with it.

All it takes to be an intellectual is to use reason to critically think about issues and analyze events. Campaigning and repeating slogans doesn't count.

Like hollering "Hope! Change! Yes we can!" ?

 

[herewego]

Reality has a Liberal Bias. Everyone knows that, silly!

 

[palemale]

The Republican and Conservative fetish with liberal elites is rather silly. A non-issue.

There once was a time when the moneyed and intellectual classes were socially liberal and do-gooders. They contributed to the arts, hospitals, universities, but they also supported increasing social services and civil rights.

In New York City, the congressional district that encompassed the East Side Upper East Side of Manhattan was known as the silk stocking district. It was reliably Republican forever, except for the brief period Ed Koch held the seat. It turned Democratic after redistricting put two white working class neighborhoods in Queens and Brooklyn in the district.

During the Vietnam War, the Nixon administration began to demonize eastern liberal intellectuals, many of whom opposed the war. The white working class continued to support the war, which caused a cleavage in the Democratic Party. Well to do liberals also were big supporters of increased welfare, busing, and other social programs that did not sit well with white, working class voters.

Ultimately, though, Republican anti-intellectualism didn't leave much room for moderate to liberal, well to do voters in the party.

 

[Kulindahr]

Do the research before assuming anything.

The campaign slogan of "change" actually attracted only a minority of Obama's coalition which was as diverse and forward-thinking as his agenda.

So since it was just a minority, chanting it was intellectual?

 

[Kulindahr]

Are you trying to say that Obama is not an intellectual because a minority of his followers were attracted to him because of a campaign slogan?

If that's what your post meant, then sure.

 

[jdbadboy]

and lock up in it until they conform these Sham Homos

1st group rounded up and shipped off to re-educate:

1. Dont vote correctly

2. Dont follow the correct agenda

3. Dont say the correct slogans

4. Dont adore the correct leaders

5. Dont purchase goods or services from correct vendors

(just for starters)

The feeling I get is that some gays need to grow a thicker skin. (I guess that would be a hide or pelt for you bears lol)

 

[Kulindahr]

Again, intellectualism isn't defined by the people you attract, and even if it were Obama would hardly be disqualified as the table shows a diverse coalition of priorities not dominated by any one thing.

I can't tell if you're saying that's what you meant, or not.

Let's go back to what you said that started this:

All it takes to be an intellectual is to use reason to critically think about issues and analyze events. Campaigning and repeating slogans doesn't count.

 

[rareboy]

The Republican and Conservative fetish with liberal elites is rather silly. A non-issue.

There once was a time when the moneyed and intellectual classes were socially liberal and do-gooders. They contributed to the arts, hospitals, universities, but they also supported increasing social services and civil rights.

In New York City, the congressional district that encompassed the East Side Upper East Side of Manhattan was known as the silk stocking district. It was reliably Republican forever, except for the brief period Ed Koch held the seat. It turned Democratic after redistricting put two white working class neighborhoods in Queens and Brooklyn in the district.

During the Vietnam War, the Nixon administration began to demonize eastern liberal intellectuals, many of whom opposed the war. The white working class continued to support the war, which caused a cleavage in the Democratic Party. Well to do liberals also were big supporters of increased welfare, busing, and other social programs that did not sit well with white, working class voters.

Ultimately, though, Republican anti-intellectualism didn't leave much room for moderate to liberal, well to do voters in the party.

Exactly.

And I repeat, the 'Liberal intellectual elite' epithet is just a bullshit response.

In fact it rings of the attacks by the Nazi party on the Jews before the second world war.

Seriously.

And look how that turned out for the world.

 

[rareboy]

Oh. And by the way. For those who have expressed a problem with intellectual liberal elitist use of 'T-Baggers' to describe the members of a collective affinity of what appear appear to be disaffected, racist, homophobic, fundamentalist white folk who appear to barely have the equivalent of a GED and think that by it's use, it makes me more like them...............


nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don't think so.

They made up the term for themselves without being savvy enough to know what it meant in the first place. I just don't feel like letting go of it once they realize how stooopid they were to run around with tea-bags hanging from their tri-corner hats.

I'm just happy to oblige.

When it comes to the issues that really count, I still hate heterosexual elitism, racial elitism, anti-intellectual elitism and religious elitism. so there really isn't much that is going to make me more like a t-bagger although there's nothing I like more than having some hot guy's balls dropped into my mouth.

 

[Supersix]

Oh. And by the way. For those who have expressed a problem with intellectual liberal elitist use of 'T-Baggers' to describe the members of a collective affinity of what appear appear to be disaffected, racist, homophobic, fundamentalist white folk who appear to barely have the equivalent of a GED and think that by it's use, it makes me more like them...........

When you make those assumptions, you make an ass of yourself.

 

[rareboy]

^ yeah.

right.

that's rich.

empirical evidence is on my side.

 

[CowboyBob]

Oh. And by the way. For those who have expressed a problem with intellectual liberal elitist use of 'T-Baggers' to describe the members of a collective affinity of what appear appear to be disaffected, racist, homophobic, fundamentalist white folk who appear to barely have the equivalent of a GED and think that by it's use, it makes me more like them...............


nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don't think so.

They made up the term for themselves without being savvy enough to know what it meant in the first place. I just don't feel like letting go of it once they realize how stooopid they were to run around with tea-bags hanging from their tri-corner hats.

I'm just happy to oblige.

When it comes to the issues that really count, I still hate heterosexual elitism, racial elitism, anti-intellectual elitism and religious elitism. so there really isn't much that is going to make me more like a t-bagger although there's nothing I like more than having some hot guy's balls dropped into my mouth.

A word I've noticed being thrown around a lot lately is "elitist", "elitism". etc. That word is always attached to some disparaging term associated with educated people. Republicans and the right wing have been demonizing educated people equating educated people with snobbery. The word has been morphed into a synonym for snob by the Republicans who are working for the wealthy and for corporations.

Why aren't the wealthy labeled as elitists? There are educated elitists, wealthy elitists, social elitists. Republicans are using the elitist term as a political tool mixing it with "class" connotations.

If you want to demonize elitists, then focus on the wealthy elitists. They're the ones who are parasitic.