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Explosions, shootings reported in central Paris

Kay Burley has arrived in Paris and was just showing us all the aftermath of the attacks.

Paris has been turned upside down today. I decided to turn the news off for bit. Attacks like this are simply uncalled for and barbaric.
 
Sure, well it was just a bit out of nowhere. If it was ISIS, as it seems to be, Pakistan won't have much influence on it seeing as they are mostly Shia Muslims.

But it gets back to the point of Islamic states (the real ones) being unequivocal about Islamic extremism.
 
Late this evening the New York Times published a series of messages of support from world leaders. I looked in vain for any from the Muslim world, and given the world view of the NYT I'm sure that if there had been any, they would have been featured front and center.

Many people are killed by violence every single day in countries like Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. How many Western leaders express outrage, sympathy or support? Are you going to criticize them for their silence?

#AllLivesMatter
 
My two cents

For Pete's sake, STOP backing down whenever this sort of thing occurs. This kind of terrorist attack DOES represent Islam, the same way KKK represents Christianity (or whatever). Yes, there are "tolerant" and "rational thinking" religious people, as well as there are radical fundamentalists that religious and they feel backed and represented by the writings of their religions just as any other person. I f we keep backing off everytime a terrorist attack happens, those radical muslims will reckon it IS ok for them to blow up as many buildings as they can and innocent people will still die. Claiming the ISIS is part of Islam and recognizing they must be held accountable for those attacks is not being a islamophobe, it's acknowledging that there is a problem and it HAS to be tackled down. Islam is a religion, as is Christianity and Buddhism, every religion has intolerant hateful preachers, we know it, but if we're just looking away from the fact the recent attacks ARE linked to Islam, I tell you they'll perpetuate. We need to get muslims to accept that their religion has reached a point where some of their followers simply don't care anymore, they'll nuke about everyone who dare not to share their beliefs and they know they have nothing to lose but their lives, which they believe is worthless so long they get to meet Allah and "the virgins". Muslims do need to revision Islam thus it'll be adaptable into nowadays' moral, NOT otherwise. It's Islam that should be more tolerant and respectful towards people, not people that should be more tolerant and respectful towards Islam. After all, Islam IS only a religion. Is sweeping Islam off the planet a solution? No. Is it teaching its practicers they must deal with cultural plurality and accept not everyone will bow down to Allah given a certain time of the day, but instead others simply share different values? YES!

End of rant.
 
Many people are killed by violence every single day in countries like Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. How many Western leaders express outrage, sympathy or support? Are you going to criticize them for their silence?

#AllLivesMatter

When muslim leaders remain silent about killings by muslims in the name of islam we are entitled to conclude that they do not disapprove or care whether western people regard them as the acts of Islam.A large percentage of muslims world wide and a majority in some countrys believe that theose who convert from islam should be executed. For many muslims, killing in the name of islam is part of the religion. It is a fallacy for those in the west to try to claim that it is not Islam.
 
When muslim leaders remain silent about killings by muslims in the name of islam we are entitled to conclude that they do not disapprove or care whether western people regard them as the ascts of Islam.

They're not fucking silent [Text: Removed]. I have posted a bunch of links showing the leaders of Muslim nations condemning the attacks.
 
^ Do you want to place a bet with me right now this is NOT Islamic terrorism?

What the hell do you think this is?

What possible organised funded group in the world right now is doing these things EXCEPT Islamic terrorists?

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I really fear for the future of France right now after reading a report from Le Figaro written earlier this week before this attack:

According to the Le Figaro, when asked by IFOP, a respected French poling agency, if they would accept a non-democratic form of government to bring necessary reforms to France, 67% of the French said they would opt for a government of non-elected technocrats. 40% percent said they would back a non-elected authoritarian regime. (quote taken from Counterpunch)

There is a real risk of the far right using this to take control of the nation.
 
My two cents

For Pete's sake, STOP backing down whenever this sort of thing occurs. This kind of terrorist attack DOES represent Islam, the same way KKK represents Christianity (or whatever). Yes, there are "tolerant" and "rational thinking" religious people, as well as there are radical fundamentalists that religious and they feel backed and represented by the writings of their religions just as any other person. I f we keep backing off everytime a terrorist attack happens, those radical muslims will reckon it IS ok for them to blow up as many buildings as they can and innocent people will still die. Claiming the ISIS is part of Islam and recognizing they must be held accountable for those attacks is not being a islamophobe, it's acknowledging that there is a problem and it HAS to be tackled down. Islam is a religion, as is Christianity and Buddhism, every religion has intolerant hateful preachers, we know it, but if we're just looking away from the fact the recent attacks ARE linked to Islam, I tell you they'll perpetuate. We need to get muslims to accept that their religion has reached a point where some of their followers simply don't care anymore, they'll nuke about everyone who dare not to share their beliefs and they know they have nothing to lose but their lives, which they believe is worthless so long they get to meet Allah and "the virgins". Muslims do need to revision Islam thus it'll be adaptable into nowadays' moral, NOT otherwise. It's Islam that should be more tolerant and respectful towards people, not people that should be more tolerant and respectful towards Islam. After all, Islam IS only a religion. Is sweeping Islam off the planet a solution? No. Is it teaching its practicers they must deal with cultural plurality and accept not everyone will bow down to Allah given a certain time of the day, but instead others simply share different values? YES!

End of rant.

Your assumptions assume that Islamic leaders the world over are NOT taking actions to counter the growth of terrorists in their midst. Like unrest after the non-closure of WWI, the social and poverty problems in many areas lend themselves open to the exploitation of religion to polarize populations. Hitler did it with anti-Semitism, and ISIS is able to do it in the Mid-East with the chaos that is fomenting there, but their tack is sold as pro-Islam.

And, contrary to arguments that ISIS is not Islamic, it actually is, but it ISN'T Islam, just a rogue branch.

There are radicalized Christians and they have been violent when it came to it. What seems to be a fallacy in your post is that you presume radical elements CAN be sanctioned, excommunicated, controlled, or whatever by the leaders of the religion. It doesn't work that way. The radicals, even when merely religious nuts and harmless, don't recognize the validity of leaders of their own religion when they disagree. Effectively, the moderates become no more than infidels.

But your appeal is right in asking that there be as much solidarity as possible in trying to give the radicals no quarter. Again, that's a bit idealized, as the strongholds of these terrorists are not places where the influence of the moderates holds sway.
 
I really fear for the future of France right now after reading a report from Le Figaro written earlier this week before this attack:



There is a real risk of the far right using this to take control of the nation.

You are much closer, so could be right, but I doubt France is ready to surrender to anything close to martial law or provisional powers for any length of time.

It would seem more likely that simplified xenophobia might prevail as Europe sorts its way through the refugee crisis.
 
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Also :
http://www.prayforparis.com/
https://www.facebook.com/PrayforParis/
 
They're not fucking silent [Text: Removed]. I have posted a bunch of links showing the leaders of Muslim nations condemning the attacks.

Doesn't fit their desired conclusion, more or less the same that has been held since 9/11, that everyone with the appalling gall to be born and raised in a part of the world with Islam as the defacto religion are collectively guilty of any individual acts, terrorist or otherwise, committed by any Muslim of any nationality or any ideology or any branch of Islam anywhere in the world.

Nevermind the fact this logic AGREES with terrorists that attacks on people in the West are valid when in retaliation against the actions or foreign policies of western societies or militaries, once someone accepts the notion of collective blame as a fair thing. People don't think this objectively or proportionately.
 
I've been watching this for the last couple of hours on the news. I can't believe what is happening. It's insane to think I can sit here on a rainy Saturday morning and watch a terrorist attack live across the world.

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I really fear for the future of France right now after reading a report from Le Figaro written earlier this week before this attack:



There is a real risk of the far right using this to take control of the nation.

You should not assume that the right is comfortable with authoritarian government and nonelected agencies. On the contrary, in the US, it is the democrats who prefer authoritarian decrees by activist judges, nonelected agencies, and a president who exercizes unconstitutional power. Democrats approve to a man. It is only conservatives who object.
 
Benvolio why don't you just shut up? This isn't About the USA and your bullshit right wing point of view.

I feel so bad for the people in France, the same feeling I had the day after 9-11. The scope of the attack for effect at many locations at the same time. The butchering of people just going about their business trying to enjoy their lives is incredibly numbing and makes one feel very lonely.
 
You should not assume that the right is comfortable with authoritarian government and nonelected agencies. On the contrary, in the US, it is the democrats who prefer authoritarian decrees by activist judges, nonelected agencies, and a president who exercizes unconstitutional power. Democrats approve to a man. It is only conservatives who object.


Yeah well the world isn't the USA, and we're talking about France - a country that is most likely set for a Le Pen government in 2017...
 
The finding of a Syrian passport near the body of an alleged terrorist is very troublesome. When a Country suffers a terrorist attack of that magnitude, the hurt, anger, and fury are tremendous. The potential for Syrians to be attacked and killed is great. It will take a long time before the fear subsides, and anger and rage can be refocused into stopping further attacks and healing the people. It sadly will take a long time to feel secure again, if that is even possible. My heart bleeds for the dear people of France. May God bless them and keep them. I understand from the News that Russia has been threatened. Why, doesn't ISIS attack North Korea and kill that nut case of a Dictator instead of harming places like France?
 
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