Faggotty Me!

[miketlow]

I think it takes WAY too much work to pretend to be something you're not. Why should someone have to change who they are just because it may fit into a stereotype?

Exactly!!!...

 

[NineOfClubs]

MystikWizard, your kind of fag bothers me much more that StationTo Station's kind. Your type wants us to "blend in" and "play nice" and hope the straights don't notice us. Screw that!

 

[GL]

It's great not to feel threatened by these types anymore. My confidence comes from an internal place, not an external one. I don't need a straight couples seal of approval, cos I'm faggoty me, and I wouldn't settle for less. I respect all you other out and happy gay people.

if you were right here, right now i would give you a hug!

 

[bokan800]

It's great not to feel threatened by these types anymore. My confidence comes from an internal place, not an external one. I don't need a straight couples seal of approval, cos I'm faggoty me, and I wouldn't settle for less. I respect all you other out and happy gay people.

And that's how it should be.

If you feel like queening it out, then go for it.

I do the same and I'm not apologizing for it.

 

[metta]

YEAH FOR HONEST OUT PEOPLE!

(as I sit in my home with a big fat ass rainbow flag
hanging up in my front porch and 2 gay marriage
bumper stickerrs & an HRC license plate frame on my car)​

 

[StationToStation]

Excellent post, StationtoStation! Keep on being you!

And that's the whole point here: to be you, not someone society wants you to be. And if 'you' is the "flame-red hair highlighted, uber make-up artist, Chanel sunglasses wearing faggot", then that's the person you should be. If, on the other hand, you're a suit-and-tie guy whom no-one would peg as gay, that's perfectly fine too.

It all goes wrong when you're trying to be something you're not. I've seen straight-acting guys. You can see the femininity just begging to come out. On the other hand there are also those who feel they should be a hip-swishing homo in order to fit in, so they camp it up against their own personalities. Both don't work in the long run.

^^^As the OP, I feel this post really summarizes my original intent.^^^

I was kind of ranting, well because some homophobes where displaying their behavior in public, I wanted to make them feel even more uncomfortable. Perhaps I was the target or just a bystander for their conversation.

Either way their actions were way worse than mine. I wasn't hurting anyone's feelings or lifestyle, I was moisturizing my lips. I was willing to take the heat, but you know what? They changed the subject of their conversation by time I left the train. Serves them right, for looking like the only bigots on the train.

In our society my career, my actions, my choice of hair color makes me a target, b/c i want to be myself. I didn't sign up for it, ok! Some divine creature didn't give me a choice. I'm dealing with the life that was dealt to me in the best way as possible.

 

[G-Lexington]

Society (or a segment thereof) doesn't hate us because some fags give us a bad name. They don't hate us because some of us have high voices, or are "mincing", or dye their hair.

They hate us because we fuck other guys.

You don't see conservatives trying to legislate how high a man's voice can be. Or how girly his clothes are. Or prohibiting the dying of hair, or the hiring of male hairdressers. They're trying to stop us from fucking, and from marrying. If gays weren't flamboyant, do you honestly think we'd be accepted? Homophobes actually prefer queenie guys, simply because they can spot them easier (and avoid them).

I used to think as you did, MW. That if only they'd tone it down some, it'd be Ebony & Ivory. Nope. And even if it were, who the fuck am I to say "tone it down"? If you've got a problem with femmy guys, at least be aware that you're the one with the problem.

Lex

 

[ibill1]

You know, I'm a terribly dull person. I don't wear makeup or do drag. I can't decorate worth a shit and I hate to shop.

But I love men. I've lived a fairly open life with my partner for 10 years. My neighbors know us to be gay and are very accepting. Too fucking bad for them, if they weren't.

But what about people who live their lives differently? What about those who do drag, makeup and all the other variations of the gay life? I admittedly don't understand the attraction to some of what they do, but it isn't my place to judge what others may like, so long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.

Do these folks hurt or help our cause for equality? Well, I'm sure my neighbors enjoy the fact that I don't have circuit parties in the yard every weekend. They appreciate my homogenous lifestyle. I don't live my life the way I do for their approval, but because I want to. Everybody isn't me, nor should they be. Further, they shouldn't have less rights than I do, because they aren't.

So, while I may not understand or appreciate what some of us do, I support your right to be how ever you want to be. And you should be treated no different than anybody else.

I'm exactly like you, except I was with my partner for 33 yrs. until his passing and we lived in the same house for 30 yrs. in a very conservitive neighborhood. Everyone knew we were a gay couple and no one cared. I'm the same, I can't decorate, know absolutely nothing about fashion, jewelry etc. I love men, sports, cars and all that entails. When people find out I'm gay they are rather surprised, but that's just me. I was raised with 5 brothers which probably has something to do with it.

But obviously gay guys that are flamboyant doesn't bother me in the least, it's who they are and I think it's great to express yourself if that's who you are. Who cares what the hetero worlds thinks, just be who you are and be happy.

 

[StlKj]

MystikWizard ~ I know the Pacific Ocean may part after I say this, but I absolutely agree with your premise on this thread!

Stand your ground and don't let the Gay Mafia silence you!

Actually, the gay mafia is a supposed group of powerful gays who often pass for straight, pressure people not to be too effeminate or out, and relish their ability to pass while hypocritically fucking any guy they want or have power over.

So, really, they're more in line with what you and Mystik are selling.

 

[undisclosed1234]

Blend in? And into exactly what are we blending?

"Normal" society?

A society set up by soulless, status quo, repressive, homophobic, misogynistic, racist people who denied us our liberty in the first place??



FUCK. THAT. SHIT.


I am not trying to live in that world, and I ACTIVELY fight against it.

The world I am working to live in is one where my faggoty brothers and lezzie sisters and tranny friends can stand next to an LL Bean straight man and an Ann Taylor straight woman, enjoying each other's differences as well as similarities.


What a sad, frightening, and joyless world you are choosing to live in, MystikWizard. And if you don't think it's a choice, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

Oh goodie 4 pages in the making and fabulousghetto about to make his queenship known.

Let me just say my piece:

To assume that guys that aren't flamboyants are living in fear or without joy is ludicrous. It's the equivalent of conservatives saying that gays are gays because they're confused in terms of blanket statement.

Congrats to the OP for being yourself but a lot of the gay guys that "blend in" as you say are just being normal. Just like a lot of the effeminate noticeable ones are putting on the biggest act they can. People are different. There is no standard or "real self" for the gay guys any more than there are for the straight guy.

Cheerio

 

[Corny]

To assume that guys that aren't flamboyants are living in fear or without joy is ludicrous

Nobody said that

Just like a lot of the effeminate noticeable ones are putting on the biggest act they can.

You didn't get that, did you? This is not about being a "big act" it's about being yourself. If you "act" flamboyant, you are no better than the "flamboyant" guys who try hard to be "normal".

People are different. There is no standard or "real self" for the gay guys any more than there are for the straight guy.

Finall! And that is what this thread is about. Be yourself. No matter what others might expect - don't know why you say it like we all said something different.

 

[Apollo]

That's great Aquarius. You're a real man for being who you want to be, and not being concerned what others think. You're as normal and natural as the butches straight man.

 

[giorgiobaby]

good for you STS, It doesn't happen often, but when someone calls me faggot.....I just tell them thank you for noticing. As for the others that think all gay men should look and act straight, that's their opinion and they are entitled....but.....we would be so boring if we didn't have such diversity in the gay world. It would be all gray walls and no color in our life at all.

 

[Apollo]

I'm not surprised about Neoslacker. Sad about Mystik though.

He was so against homophobia and such, and it turns out he is nothing more than a homophobe himself.

If you want to act normal, you might want to give up being attracted to men, and sleeping with men. That isn't normal.

Neoslacker...the jokes write themselves. You give closet cases a bad name.

 

[undisclosed1234]

Nobody said that


You didn't get that, did you? This is not about being a "big act" it's about being yourself. If you "act" flamboyant, you are no better than the "flamboyant" guys who try hard to be "normal".


Finall! And that is what this thread is about. Be yourself. No matter what others might expect - don't know why you say it like we all said something different.

And you're breaking up my post int three parts why exactly?

A) I never said anybody said it, but it's a general feeling that always comes up in threads like that and is present in this thread if you yknow, read it.

B) This thread is about a broad issue. I never said the OP's situation was "about" this. My point was that neither was better than the other. You may choose to solely view it from "guy pretending to be normal is just as bad as guy acting overly flamboyant"; I just reversed the formulation "guys being 'normal' are not any more closeted or unhappy or homophobic than guys happy to be flamboyant". Same relation.

C) And that's exactly what my point was and the reason why I congratulated the OP for being himself.

In the future take the whole post in instead of pick-and-choosing to spark arguments and controversy where there is not. We're done here.

 

[Sausy]

I would consider myself neither particularly "masculine" acting or effeminate...elements of both in my everyday life.Nothing wrong with us displaying either side at all.We can't be afraid of being ourselves because we would offend the sensibilities of "regular acting" bigots and homophobes.Everyone should be able as a human being to live the life they are most comfortable as realizing themselves.

One doesn't have the right to exploit and hurt others.Other than that,nobody should be allowed to define who is normal and what constitutes normality.I am usually not a person who rebels just to provoke a reaction,to fight the power at the drop of a hat....but damn if I will be labeled,defined and derided.....and if I tolerate others being put down like that.

 

[IcarusBurns]

Hi everyone, I actually just registered so I could post in this thread. Perhaps I will be a more regular poster (although with all the hostility towards mystik, somehow I doubt it.)

Anyway, I for one actually agree with mystik, at least in some regards. While I don't think it is awful for guys to be super faggoty, I disagree with those that say acting straight is "bad", as well as that homophobes hate gays not because some of them act super flame-y.

Some people here have said that "acting straight" is just what heterosexuals want gays to do, and that it is a bad thing. Um... what? I act straight because that is the way I am. Not every homo out there has to go around limp wristed, acting like a walking stereotype. Fuck that. That isn't who I am. You can say all you want about how I'm just "appealing to the breeders". The only difference between us and the heteros is that we like people of the same sex, that is all. I don't see how you guys can get off saying that as a gay guy I am somehow obligated to act a certain way.

Additionally, about how homophobia. There seems to be a lot of hypocrisy around here. Some of you say that homophobes just hate us for for being gay, not for the way some act. But at the same time, you say that acting "gay" is a big "fuck you" to the homophobes, to bother them. So, if the point is to piss off the heteros, then where do you get off saying that isn't the reason why they don't like us? Look at BRUNO. The whole POINT of that movie is to show people's negative reactions when they are faced with an outrageously gay male. When you see gay jokes on TV and in the movies, are they making fun of how we like other guys? NO. They are making fun of the stereotypical behavior that the OP is displaying. Not that there is anything wrong with that in MY eyes, but there certainly is in the eyes of a homophobe.

Finally, I think it is truly disgusting how hostile some of you are being to mystik. Just because someone has a different opinion from you, you are going to treat them like complete shit? Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Ares]

Some people here have said that "acting straight" is just what heterosexuals want gays to do, and that it is a bad thing. Um... what? I act straight because that is the way I am. Not every homo out there has to go around limp wristed, acting like a walking stereotype. Fuck that. That isn't who I am. You can say all you want about how I'm just "appealing to the breeders". The only difference between us and the heteros is that we like people of the same sex, that is all. I don't see how you guys can get off saying that as a gay guy I am somehow obligated to act a certain way.

Actually most people here seem to be agreeing with exactly what you are saying. Be yourself, no matter who you are and if it fits a stereotype or not, it's not a big deal.

Ironically, the only person here that I can see that doesn't agree with that, is the person you are here to defend.

 

[Ares]

Oh and I forgot, welcome to JUB IcarusBurns.

 

[StlKj]

Hi everyone, I actually just registered so I could post in this thread. Perhaps I will be a more regular poster (although with all the hostility towards mystik, somehow I doubt it.)

Anyway, I for one actually agree with mystik, at least in some regards. While I don't think it is awful for guys to be super faggoty, I disagree with those that say acting straight is "bad", as well as that homophobes hate gays not because some of them act super flame-y.

Some people here have said that "acting straight" is just what heterosexuals want gays to do, and that it is a bad thing. Um... what? I act straight because that is the way I am. Not every homo out there has to go around limp wristed, acting like a walking stereotype. Fuck that. That isn't who I am. You can say all you want about how I'm just "appealing to the breeders". The only difference between us and the heteros is that we like people of the same sex, that is all. I don't see how you guys can get off saying that as a gay guy I am somehow obligated to act a certain way.

Additionally, about how homophobia. There seems to be a lot of hypocrisy around here. Some of you say that homophobes just hate us for for being gay, not for the way some act. But at the same time, you say that acting "gay" is a big "fuck you" to the homophobes, to bother them. So, if the point is to piss off the heteros, then where do you get off saying that isn't the reason why they don't like us? Look at BRUNO. The whole POINT of that movie is to show people's negative reactions when they are faced with an outrageously gay male. When you see gay jokes on TV and in the movies, are they making fun of how we like other guys? NO. They are making fun of the stereotypical behavior that the OP is displaying. Not that there is anything wrong with that in MY eyes, but there certainly is in the eyes of a homophobe.

Finally, I think it is truly disgusting how hostile some of you are being to mystik. Just because someone has a different opinion from you, you are going to treat them like complete shit? Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

So now we know you read most of the posts taking Mystik to task, but did you really bother to think about any of them? To let them sink in? Or did you just register so you could jump to his defense because you felt they were in some way attacking you too? Because you don't seem to have really given any thought to those points at all.

No one on here said that any gay has to act certain way, although Mystik came closest when he pretty much accused anyone who is effeminate of hurting his chances to blend. The OP came in here to talk about two straight individuals who were slamming gays, especially those who fit a certain stereotype, and then Mystik came in and basically justified their behavior by blaming the OP.

If you consider yourself a more "masculine" individual, then you are not "acting straight." You're just being yourself. If you were "acting straight," then you would be pretending to be straight in order to blend. That would be fake.

If your flame is on low, then great for you. That's who you are, and it's who you should be. But it's not who everyone is, and someone whose flame burns brighter should not have to be ridiculed or criticized by either bigoted heteros or by homos who are afraid to be associated with them.

As others on here pointed out, the major incident that is often considered the beginning of a gay rights movement involved drag queens and others who didn't blend. Harvey Milk, one of the strongest public voices gay Americans have ever had, did not blend. Many of our strongest voices over the years were those men and women who fought to be accepted for who they are, while others who could have joined that fight just passed.

As Lex and I both pointed out earlier, the majority of people who are struggling against us are doing so because of their religious convictions, which they feel leave no room for ANY homosexual activity, male or female, effeminate or butch, flame or not. It's unfortunate many groups which struggle to gain more mainstream acceptance or respect seem to eventually turn against those "outsiders" who were responsible for much of the initial struggling. If we sell out those people who don't fit the "ideal" in order to gain the respect of others, then ultimately we don't deserve any respect at all.