Florida High School Massacre

[gsdx]

This is not a solution:

WASHINGTON — The nation should keep assault rifles out of the hands of anyone under 21, President Donald Trump declared Thursday, defying his loyal supporters in the National Rifle Association amid America's public reckoning over gun violence. He also pushed hard for arming security guards and many teachers in U.S. schools.

"There's nothing more important than protecting our children," Trump said, adding that he'd spoken with many members of Congress and NRA officials and insisting they would go along with his plans in the wake of last week's school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 people dead.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tearful-student-asks-trump-apos-132135623.html

If protecting the children is so damned important, get rid of the guns that can slaughter them in double digits in just a few minutes. Raising the age won't solve a thing if Daddy or Big Bro can still buy them.

 

[Telstra]

"The nation should keep assault rifles out of the hands of anyone under 21,"

I see there is a problem here.
Most of the killers are also over 21, so why just limited to under 21 ?
The law should be uniformed from age 0 to 100.

 

[mikey3000]

Now its being reported that not only the armed resource officer, but ALSO three armed Broward County police officers remained outside, waiting for the gunshots to stop.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/

Wow!!!

 

[gsdx]

^ If that's true, some heads should roll all the way up to the top of the ladder.

 

[Telstra]

Now its being reported that not only the armed resource officer, but ALSO three armed Broward County police officers remained outside, waiting for the gunshots to stop.

If it is an open school with many entry and exits, it is very hard to defend any gun man.

Unless the school has only 1 entry and exit like airport security. So the conclusion is, the ONLY solution is zero gun for the general public unless you have a special gun permit such as you are a farmer and need a gun often.

 

[Cormac135]

I wouldn't have went in either unless i was robocop.

 

[ballcaphair]

So much for the "fight fire with fire" plan. It seems like only one of five actually fired. Four qualified armed men balked while one "man" with nothing to lose was horribly in charge.

 

[rareboy]

 

[rareboy]

 

[rareboy]

Hey Gun nuts. They're coming for you.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

^ If that's true, some heads should roll all the way up to the top of the ladder.

It’s true, but 4 deputies.

 

[Kulindahr]

Limiting which weapons you can buy does not infringe on your right to bear arms.

To "infringe" means to meddle with not the core, but associated issues. "Shall not be infringed" means not just that Congress can't make laws about guns, it means they're not supposed to make laws about gun accessories -- and neither is anyone else. So by definition limiting which weapons we can buy absolutely does infringe on the right.

 

[Kulindahr]

Mental competence is generally assumed unless there are valid indicators to suggest otherwise.

But that's exactly what peeonme wants to reverse, to assume that everyone is mentally incompetent until they can prove otherwise.

 

[Kulindahr]

So much for the "good guy with a gun" idea.
Armed school resource officer stayed outside as Florida shooting unfolded, sheriff says [CNN]

Not at all -- the good guy idea requires that the good guy DO something besides stand around.

Incidentally- that bank allegory? It was used by Trump when he met with school shooting victims this week at the White House and then again in NRA executive Wayne LaPierre's speech at CPAC. Wow. Same metaphor being used over and over. What a coincidence.

Not surprising -- it's kind of an obvious thing, so it arises independently.

Another obvious one is politicians and/or rich people with bodyguards.

 

[Telstra]

To "infringe" means to meddle with not the core, but associated issues. "Shall not be infringed" means not just that Congress can't make laws about guns, it means they're not supposed to make laws about gun accessories -- and neither is anyone else. So by definition limiting which weapons we can buy absolutely does infringe on the right.

New guns mean new laws needed. It is that simple.

If you want to keep old laws you have use old guns like a 200 year old gun.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Not at all -- the good guy idea requires that the good guy DO something besides stand around.

You don’t get to change the argument that enthusiasts have been pounding for years when this kind of situation does actually happens and doesn’t work out in the way it should have, with the “good guy” with the gun stopping the shooter.

Accept the fact that these “solutions” that NRA and gun enthusiasts push aren’t absolute, have some dignity.

 

[gsdx]

To "infringe" means to meddle with not the core, but associated issues. "Shall not be infringed" means not just that Congress can't make laws about guns, it means they're not supposed to make laws about gun accessories -- and neither is anyone else. So by definition limiting which weapons we can buy absolutely does infringe on the right.

You still haven't explained to me why in hell anyone needs an assault weapon.

 

[Kulindahr]

In fairness, I would say the same of Sen. Rubio.

Marco just needs to think about which constituency he's actually representing in this representative democracy of ours.

I suspect he intends to represent ordinary citizens and their constitutional rights, because I suspect he knows just how many people would be dead, or raped, or otherwise harmed if they hadn't had a gun to stop the attacker.

 

[Kulindahr]

It ISN'T. If so-called "assault weapons" are banned, and a person still owns a handgun or a hunting rifle instead (which an AR-15 isn't...well OK, it hunts people), he bears arms and his rights are not infringed at all.

Wadyawannabet that the funding for arming teachers would be inadequate, and they would have to buy $1,400 weapons right out of their own pockets?

The AR-15 happens to be one of the most popular hunting rifles in the country.

And the NRA already has a program to help teachers who want to be armed (beside the fact that there aren't too many handguns that costs $1400 except collector's items).

 

[Kulindahr]

From the same link above:

Kids in general don't want to face hard truths, and the hard truth here is that there is not a single law that's ever been proposed that could have stopped this.

If we cave to kids' emotions that have been pumped up by anti-gun teachers and politicians, the Republic is lost.