Florida High School Massacre

[gsdx]

We have armed guards for banks. Aren't kids at least as valuable as all that cash?

Apparently not.

 

[gsdx]

The power of weapons in civilian hands hasn't changed significantly since WWII. In fact, the most popular rifle today, the AR-15, is of rather low power.

It doesn't have to be powerful to murder a lot of people in a very short time at a very close range.

You don't seem to get that.

 

[Kulindahr]

We’re Averaging One School Shooting Every 60 Hours In 2018

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/school-shootings-2018_us_5a84a68ee4b0058d55659ae9

No, we're not. They got their number from Everytown for Gun Safety, which counts as a school shooting any time a gun goes off anywhere close to a school. They include one where a kid was grabbing at a security officer, grabbed the officer's gun and it went off. They include one where someone committed suicide next to a school. They count a robbery in a school parking lot when the school was closed.
When episodes that didn't involve someone coming to a school to kill others are excluded, the count is seven or eight.

 

[Kulindahr]

...and this is why it most certainly IS a political issue...and thinking Democrats and Republicans are equally at fault is complete bullshit.

Though neither side is actually interested in the Constitution, only about raising money and getting votes. They're not interested in actual solutions, either, only actions that will make people feel good and get votes and campaign donations.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not at all: those countries tend to have actual treatment and help programs. The U.S. approach is to arrest the mentally ill for whatever they can, when they're poor, and throw them in jail, and if they're rich, ignore and make excuses for them ... until they snap.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not only do they do nothing to help, they actually want mentally ill people to have guns.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/15/17016036/trump-guns-mental-illness
http://fortune.com/2018/02/15/trump-shooting-mental-illness/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ng-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

You consider people who can't manage their own finances to be "mentally ill"?

And you approve of the government classifying people as mentally ill without due process of law?

The fact is that Obama's order was contrary to law, the sort of things we should expect from the defunct Soviet Union but not tolerate in the U.S. of A.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's a symptom of something else that has happened in American society. There was something that has been termed "The Greatest Generation"- people who had an interest in public service and in social justice Christian teachings.

That's been replaced by "The Me Generation" and the prosperity gospel Christians. And it's not about Republican vs Democrats. Both parties are addicted to power and it takes money to hold on to power.

They politicians that we're electing aren't motivated by "public good". If they were in it for the public good, they wouldn't be doing things like passing legislation to allow mentally ill people to buy guns (HJ40-passed a year ago today on 15-Feb-2017) or passing legislation to partially repeal the Americans With Disabilities Act (HR620 passed the House today - 15-Feb-2018).

They're all in it for the money- it just so happens that the gun lobby gives more money to the Republican party. The politicians aren't pulling the strings... it's the people with the money who are pulling the strings.

But money doesn't equal votes. It takes ill-informed citizens to go to the voting booths to vote for these guys. We have no one to blame but ourselves- either because we vote for these guileless politicians or because we stay home and don't vote at all.


Ya think?

The legislation you reference was passed to undo a rule that even the ACLU called unconstitutional, because it deprived citizens of rights merely on the order of a bureaucrat.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Apparently not.

What people pretty much propose for schools with teachers and guards having guns are basically just making a prison.

And the logic that people want to input more authority into gun free-zones just brings things closer to a Police State. Which isn’t that one of the main reasons people defend their right to own guns? To defend themselves against something like a Police State?

 

[TX-Beau]

I see Kuli has arrived to croon his sweet song of firearms apologia. Strange that with all those guns about we aren't the safest fucking country on the planet. That's the argument isn't it? That armed people will pull out their peni... er firearms and gun down the terrorist/tyrant/shooter/criminal/black kid coming back from the store/black kid playing loud music/hell just black kid in a blaze of righteous vengeful GLORY!!!! (that's the sound of millions of gun nuts jizzing in their shorts.)

WELLLLLLLL

Turns out there was an armed officer on that campus, he pulled out his gun ad didn't do anything, didn't engage, and now he's fired.

...Israel said school resource officer Scot Peterson took a position outside of the school but "never went in" as the onslaught occurred, citing security footage.

"In the case of Scot Peterson, our school resource deputy, I want to clarify any rumors conjecture or stories that may have been out there," Israel said.

Israel said Peterson was "absolutely on campus," adding that he was armed and in uniform during the shooting...

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...r-Who-Was-at-Parkland-Shooting-474889753.html

Ooops, so much for the fantasy.

 

[Kulindahr]

The population of the United States is almost 330,000,000.
The NRA membership is almost 5,000,000.

Five million Americans own the US Government and the Republicans' wallets are fatter by millions of dollars. It's the fault of the Republicans for allowing it by sucking up to them and brown-nosing 5 million asses.

The legal profession spends 60 times in political spending per year than the NRA has spent in the last twenty. The food and beverage industry spends five times as much per years as the NRA has spent in the last twenty.

The NRA's political power is due to the fact that their members all vote, and for every NRA member there are another eight gun owners who vote the same way.

 

[gsdx]

The legal profession spends 60 times in political spending per year than the NRA has spent in the last twenty. The food and beverage industry spends five times as much per years as the NRA has spent in the last twenty.

The legal profession doesn't allow people to go around shooting up kids in school. The food and beverage industry doesn't allow people to go around shooting up kids in school.

Once again I ask: Why does ANYONE in the United States need an assault weapon? Why?

And I'll add one more: How is it infringing on your right to bear arms if assault weapons are banned? How?

 

[TX-Beau]

...Once again I ask: Why does ANYONE in the United States need an assault weapon? Why?..

To assault someone (probably brown) of course.

 

[Kulindahr]

To drive a car you have to study, practice and pass a test. You must have a drivers license and renew it every 4 years (in Michigan)
I believe that anyone purchasing a gun should have to show proof that they are mentally competent. A letter from a doctor showing that a person is not on anti-depressants, or has not been diagnosed with a mental illness should be required.

Do you also want to require people who want to go to church to prove they are mentally competent? And people who want to write for a publication? and people who want to vote? Maybe people who want to have an attorney for trial?

Self-defense is a natural right, and thus so is the choice of means of self-defense. Restricting the exercise of a right should only be done through due process of law, and no one should be required to pay anything in order to exercise a right, which is what you're advocating. It isn't legitimate to require payment in order to vote, and it isn't legitimate to require payment in order to exercise the natural right to keep and bear arms.

 

[TX-Beau]

Honestly you furriners don't seem to understand that the people who sit at home with their AR-15, polishing their barrel with oily hands are fantasizing about blowing away someone in a glorious fit of vigilante fervor.

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Do you also want to require people who want to go to church to prove they are mentally competent? And people who want to write for a publication? and people who want to vote? Maybe people who want to have an attorney for trial?

Self-defense is a natural right, and thus so is the choice of means of self-defense. Restricting the exercise of a right should only be done through due process of law, and no one should be required to pay anything in order to exercise a right, which is what you're advocating. It isn't legitimate to require payment in order to vote, and it isn't legitimate to require payment in order to exercise the natural right to keep and bear arms.

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[Kulindahr]

this video is very sad and upsetting,
the victims families should form a big group, sue the guns manufactures till bankrupt and change gun laws:

Do you want to sue auto manufacturers bankrupt as well? Cars kill as many as guns (and are almost never used to stop crimes, something guns do hundreds of thousands of times (or more) a year).

 

[TX-Beau]

Do you want to sue auto manufacturers bankrupt as well? Cars kill as many as guns (and are almost never used to stop crimes, something guns do hundreds of thousands of times (or more) a year).

GREAT! Let's make all gun owners have trigger locks and carry wrongful death insurance. THAT should make a bunch of Republicans happy! MORE MONEY FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY WOOO HOO!!!

(silly comparison number 1)

 

[Telstra]

Do you want to sue auto manufacturers bankrupt as well? Cars kill as many as guns (and are almost never used to stop crimes, something guns do hundreds of thousands of times (or more) a year).

A lot of people want guns banned.
How many people want cars banned ?
Your argument is not equivalent.

And whats wrong with adopting Australian tough gun laws ?

 

[Kulindahr]

This article shows what Trump has done to make these mass shootings easier instead of trying to prevent them.


- Trump Blocked a Rule That Made It Harder for the Mentally Ill to Obtain Guns

That's actually false -- it's being spun that way, but what was done was removing a rule that even the ACLU called unconstitutional because it allowed federal bureaucrats to declare people mentally ill without any documentation from any doctors, declaring people "mentally ill" because they have someone else manage their finances.

The NRA owns the Republicans and, until their lobbying and massive donations are stopped, they will continue to own the Republicans and people will still die because the NRA wants MORE guns out there in the hands of teachers and students to prevent the very thing they are causing.

The NRA's political spending is puny in the scale of D.C. politics.

And no NRA member has ever caused any shooting -- that's a flat lie, which you ought to know.

But yes, the NRA wants guns in the hands of teachers, because it cares about the lives of the children, unlike politicians who just want to score points with their supporters by introducing yet another law that criminals aren't going to suddenly magically follow.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't disagree that money in politics is a colossal problem. What I don't believe is that republicans are supporting the gun lobby simply and solely for money. I think they are willing accomplices with the NRA and therefore the NRA funds them through donations because they both believe in and support the same mission. I think the republican position on guns would be basically the same whether they received those donations or not.

It might even be more consistent, since the NRA, under the thumb of the Ackerman-McQueen ad agency, doesn't actually fight for our rights any more, it plays the system to keep people stirred up, because stirred-up people write checks.

 

[TX-Beau]

The NRA members support sensible gun laws, the NRA political wing is the bitch of the gun industry and doesn't give a fuck about kids or members, (except the members in their mouths attached to the paychecks.)