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From walked all over to well respected and feared. [merged]

Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

I feel very alone.

NeedingHelp, the best advice so far is in the screen name you picked for yourself. I said it a week ago...we're going to be here to chat. I hope you'll see a doctor about how alone & tired you are feeling. And we'll still be here to chat after you see a doctor.

Speaking of chatting, what's going on in your world? Edmonton's in the worst outbreak of mosquitos ever. Hard to go outside. But the weather is beautiful so with enough bug spray it is worth it.
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

No I haven't....I just feel too scared to call or i don't even want to....i dont want a help line....i want like real people....i cried all day today....again today

But a help-line is real people. They'll put you in the right direction. You need them.
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

By the way, you keep talking ... we'll keep listening.
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

Cried again today... still feeling undesired....and like people want to be mean to me. Which is terrible.
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

Cried again today... still feeling undesired....and like people want to be mean to me. Which is terrible.

And what is your plan of action from here to help these feelings? Do you blankly refuse to seek help?
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

Cried again today... still feeling undesired....and like people want to be mean to me. Which is terrible.

NH, you've chatted with some people here who you can count on not to be mean to you unless by some misunderstanding which we'd feel terrible about. It's hard for a lot of us to see you feeling so bad but at the same time we're not sure what you're trying to do that will make it better, or at least give you some air and time to think, instead of feeling trapped in feeling low. I hope you're getting ready to talk to a doctor. Take care. :)
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

Hey NeedingHelpASAP, how are you doing today?

I've been meaning to ask you to please take a look at my gallery and tell me what you think. I'd added some new pics. You can send me a pm if you like.

CB
 
Re: From walked all over to well respected and feared.

What should be done you guys to gain that fear and respect?
 
Re: From walked all over to well respected and feared.

I need people to fear me and stay in their place.
 
Re: From walked all over to well respected and feared.

>>>I need people to fear me and stay in their place.

Where is "their place", in your opinion? From what I get from your posts, it's "below you".

Your postings remind me of another JUBber who posted for a bit. He seemed to view the world in fairly absolute terms - black and white. According to him, there were "winners" and "losers" - at least, I think those were his terms. And he was sick of being a "loser", and wanted to be a "winner". But his divisions weren't as simply as "I want to feel better about myself" or even "I don't want to be demeaned by other people anymore". He basically saw the two groups as you seem to be. If I may put words in your mouth, "aggressors" and "victims". And thus the only way to stop being a "victim" was to join the rank of the "aggressors". And frankly, that's an extremely juvenile way to approach human interaction. Where the only way you can prevent being a victim is to, in turn, reinforce the (supposed) victim status of others.

As I pointed out, I don't think anybody at work fears me. But I think most people at work respect me. Why? Because (if I had to say) I think I have a lot to offer. I respect everybody else and the things they bring to the table. If somebody approaches me in a bullying manner (and I can't remember the last time that happened - several years ago, at least), I don't cave into it. I just let them know I'm not playing that game. There's nothing to gain by attempting to ram through me. It's simpler and smarter to bring me on board, and I think most people are aware of that.

I did have one boss who attempted to rule via fear. Upon being put in charge of our group, he proceeded to "fire" us one by one for some minor infraction or slight. (For me, it was not showing up to a standard weekly meeting, although I called in to let him know I'd be unable to attend, as I was pretty sick.) At that point, he'd let us know he was "willing to reconsider" our termination so long as we were aware what the score was. At that point, we were considered "suspended without pay" for anywhere from a day to a week, and then allowed to return. Sound like a good way to get us to fear him, and put us in our place? Because it didn't work. We all took a major dislike to him, and although most of us took him up on being allowed to return, I think all of us left the employ as soon as we could. Not because we were scared of him, but because "I don't want to work for this jackass".

I can understand not wanting to be picked on - many of us have been in that position, and it sucks, no question. But the solution to get out of that isn't to become the aggressor. The key is to leaving it behind completely.

Lex
 
Re: From walked all over to well respected and feared.

...Or you could try watching The Caine Mutiny (you can skip the end) over and over. I don't know if capt. Queeg was meek or bullied before he became captain, but there is still much you can learn from him.


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Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

Life has been beating me up for ages and i need the help and strength to pull out of a ditch and get out.
 
Re: Suicidal thoughts ....help?

Life has been beating me up for ages and i need the help and strength to pull out of a ditch and get out.

No, you have the strength. You always have.

Life occasionally does kick of all of us into a ditch. You're still in that ditch because you're choosing to be there.

If you want to get out of the ditch, you need to seek professional help instead of just blaming "life". The purpose of counseling is help you get the coping skills to deal with "life" so that you don't find yourself remaining in the ditch needlessly.
 
Depression talk....read

I have a dillema.

Often times when traveling in the real world. I get emotionally attacked and harmed by people. It's very difficult for me to speak my mind. I often times get misunderstood and disrespected. I speak my mind but often times people refuse to hear me based on my looks and age (i'm in my 20's but older patrons belittle me). I often get ignored and don't like the way i get treated. I find it easier to speak my mind in print....through letters, e-mails and etc....because through those venues I don't have to endure being cut off, and arguing mid thought. I can take my time to get my thoughts out, edit them, express them appropriately without any intimidation factor that may come from face to face confrontation....and can manuvore through the world more easily. It scares me how anytime a person confronts me verbally, puts a little base in theiir voice, loudens their voice and screams out i clam up and ALWAYS miss serveral talking points i had in mind and in addition to that i ALWAYS end up leaving the argument with less than stellar results.

I leave the argument feeling weak and frail...and leave feeling less than okay. I'm sick of it...it's saddened me many many times and has broken me down time and time again.

It's hard for me to function on a daily basis. Often times I get labeled as things unbeknowst to me and unprovoked by me being that nothing has been said by me majority of the time. People overassume when they see me and instantaneously run away with wild assumptions of me without my voice being heard or my insight to who i am being given.

It hurts and I HATE feeling this way.

I don't know what to do for my situation.

I cant handle this.

What should i do?
 
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I think it's pretty normal to have less than complete expression of thoughts, and to leave things out, etc., when interacting in person. I know that it's true for me, all the time - I leave a conversation thinking "How in the HELL did I forget to mention THAT??" - or I go off on a tangent and never get back to the topic I was supposed to be on, etc.

I don't understand why you would be "attacked and harmed by people" - or why it would be the older people who do this to you?

You mention arguments, etc. - my first thought was that maybe you confront people a lot, but WHEN RE-READING YOUR COMMENTS (which is not entirely possible in face to face conversations) you're saying you have trouble speaking your mind, so that doesn't sound confrontational at all.

No doubt, and I hope, you'll get some PM's from people who are willing to hear you out. If not, you can PM me and I'll see if I can add something relevant, though I hope you hear from somebody who isn't quite on the kind of deadlines I'm currently on myself right now.

I am making no "assumptions" about you, NH. I also think that, in posting here, you certainly could have made far worse choices where to air this. There's a lot of good people in here.
 
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I would want to know what kind of situations are you in as to where you would be subject to treatment you don't want.

we all have trouble communicating from time to time, and there are things you can do to help.

i know its hard to not take things so personally, but we decide what makes us hurt when something negatively is said of us. some people are bullies and it is hard to know how to help without knowing the context of the situation.
 
Re: Depression talk....read

words fail me, but although its hard not to care, other people's opinion shouldnt matter, you are you and you will find people who accept you and care for you just as you are.
 
Re: Depression talk....read

We've had this discussion before.

And while this thread should possibly be in 'Health', here's what you need to do.

You need to ensure that you are always doing whatever is required to maintain your best mental and emotional state of health.

Like many who have mental health issues, you need to figure out what does work best for you in communicating with others and try to use this method as much as you can. But you also need to work with therapists to learn how to deal with person to person contact and to make it as positive and non-threatening for everyone...including you.

I understand the frustration you feel.

Today, I was trying to give a pharmacist a bit of background on an issue I needed assistance with and he cut me off mid-sentence to tell me what wouldn't work, before he had all the info.

I tried to go through the background info again and he cut me off once more.

So I asked him politely to please let me finish giving him all the information before speaking. And, of course, once he had all the information, he gave me the help I was looking for.

Now I am a well educated and fairly quietly spoken man and he is also a well educated person.

But I could have just yelled at him to shut the fuck up.

Don't do this.

Communicating, particularly in a world where no one wants to take the time to listen, can be very hard.

So. Practise.

And learn to be as concise as you can in asking questions and giving answers. We have a staff member who has a number of behavioural issues and I swear there are days that it makes me crazy when he answers questions with a story or with other questions or doesn't speak clearly or doesn't give me the answer to the question I've asked.
 
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